Bodybuilding - SteroidMonsterBrah vs. Greco-Roman body ideal

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    May 30, 2013 2:49 AM GMT
    Is there a school of bodybuilding that seeks after the classic body proportions (Think Eugene Sandow, Steve Reeves, and other Pre-1960s era champions)...?

    Or isit all truly about being the biggest steroid using/supplement whoring sideshow freak in posing undies slathered in tanning butter?

    Honestly - I can appreciate that those guys put in shit-tonnes of hours and sweat and dollars into food, supps, and 'roids... but why did that become the gold standard?
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    May 30, 2013 12:31 PM GMT
    Not all of them do steroids you know. Yea they might use a bunch of supplements. But that's faster than how it used to be done back in the day when it was all just normal food. Takes longer to build with real food (no fast food or processed shit). That's why everyone uses supplements to amp up their game. Do research if you want a supplement free diet. It will take time no matter what.
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    May 30, 2013 12:52 PM GMT
    why did it become the "standard"? because drugs made it possible, allied with the dysmorphia of most people in body building... Aesthetically (and in every other way) the early C20 guys were MUCH better.
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    May 30, 2013 1:05 PM GMT
    There are actually a lot of venues that are "all natural" or tested shows. There's the Texas Shredder in the spring and the Texas State Naturals in the fall that I know of. As for me, I'm going for a Herculean build, more concerned with proportion and aesthetic than just being big.
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    May 30, 2013 1:30 PM GMT
    GonzoTheGreat saidwhy did it become the "standard"? because drugs made it possible, allied with the dysmorphia of most people in body building... Aesthetically (and in every other way) the early C20 guys were MUCH better.


    Bodybuilding aesthetics... I'm tempted to say that's an oxymoron icon_twisted.gif
  • Slickdog21

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    May 30, 2013 3:32 PM GMT
    AlphaTrigger saidIs there a school of bodybuilding that seeks after the classic body proportions (Think Eugene Sandow, Steve Reeves, and other Pre-1960s era champions)...?

    Or isit all truly about being the biggest steroid using/supplement whoring sideshow freak in posing undies slathered in tanning butter?

    Honestly - I can appreciate that those guys put in shit-tonnes of hours and sweat and dollars into food, supps, and 'roids... but why did that become the gold standard?


    You might be more interested in the Men's Physique divisions as well as most competitions within the IFPA.
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    May 30, 2013 3:44 PM GMT
    AlphaTrigger said... but why did that become the gold standard?


    It became the gold standard because with it came the gold - think winning competitions, product endorsements, movie deals, etc.
  • Destinharbor

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    May 30, 2013 4:49 PM GMT
    I agree but only to an extent. I had a friend at the gym that was a diver in the military, blond, sculpted, gorgeous. When he finished his military duty, he went into bodybuilding and bulked up using who knows what and within a year looked awful. Also developed a bad attitude and started talking really loud. Ya, the Physique guys actually look much better than the competitors. Still, I do admire the dedication and effort.
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    May 30, 2013 5:27 PM GMT
    thecyclist89 saidNot all of them do steroids you know. Yea they might use a bunch of supplements. But that's faster than how it used to be done back in the day when it was all just normal food. Takes longer to build with real food (no fast food or processed shit). That's why everyone uses supplements to amp up their game. Do research if you want a supplement free diet. It will take time no matter what.


    1 in 4 performance enhancing supplements in the US is contaminated with steroids. If someone is using a variety of supplements or even the same one but buy more product, there's a high chance he's still taking something that resembles a steroid.

    http://bikepure.org/2012/04/minimising-the-risk-of-taking-contaminated-supplements/

    http://www.supplementsafetynow.com/files/pdfs/HFL-supplement-research-report.pdf

    http://www.nsf.org/media/images/infographic_ds_olympics.pdf

    http://www.edb.utexas.edu/ssn/SN_Papers/IOC%20alert-Supplement.pdf

    http://www.usatriathlon.org/about-multisport/multisport-zone/fuel-station/articles/supplement-contamination-is-it-real-110209.aspx
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    May 30, 2013 7:48 PM GMT
    No one is natural these days. Even the natural bodybuilders take chemical enhancements.
  • goliathca714

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    May 30, 2013 7:56 PM GMT
    Slickdog21 said
    AlphaTrigger saidIs there a school of bodybuilding that seeks after the classic body proportions (Think Eugene Sandow, Steve Reeves, and other Pre-1960s era champions)...?

    Or isit all truly about being the biggest steroid using/supplement whoring sideshow freak in posing undies slathered in tanning butter?

    Honestly - I can appreciate that those guys put in shit-tonnes of hours and sweat and dollars into food, supps, and 'roids... but why did that become the gold standard?


    You might be more interested in the Men's Physique divisions as well as most competitions within the IFPA.


    I agree, the Men's Physique competitors have more aesthetic body types. That may be the future along with "natural" competitions
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    May 30, 2013 8:20 PM GMT
    If you think NPC Men's Physique competitors are doing it naturally, you're living under a rock. I'd venture as far as to say natural is the exception not the rule in MP. They're not doing the same compounds in the same doses as bodybuilders, but it's still just as prevalent.
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    May 30, 2013 8:53 PM GMT
    Joe Weider was asked this same question over and over in his life. With his sad passing March 23rd we lost the titan of the bodybuilding movement. No single man has done more for the sport of bodybuilding than Joe Weider accomplished in his lifetime. He revolutionized the sport. What could Joe say? He had "made" so many men. But no one had more impact in literally making him, than Arnold.

    He was a shrewd business man, and a brilliant marketer, but he would cave in private and admit that Arnold, at his prime, was in his opinion, the perfect human form. I agree.

    I fell prey to the dark side for five years in my thirties to endless and poorly managed cycles. It changed my body forever, both for the better and some endocrine and pituitary problems that will never ever go away.

    Guys ask me today, and I am not insulted, "hey, whose your supplier?" and they are like "gotta go" when I go into my well rehearsed reason why they shouldn't be idiots like I was a decade before.

    Bottom line: stop putting down on steroid competitors. Its not going away. Focus more importantly on this: who is the greatest form knowing they are using?

    And my yard stick? Arnold, the one to which all others are measured.
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    May 30, 2013 9:11 PM GMT
    I hear you. Your post makes me think about Frank Zane.
  • Joeyphx444

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    May 30, 2013 9:14 PM GMT
    thecyclist89 saidNot all of them do steroids you know. Yea they might use a bunch of supplements. But that's faster than how it used to be done back in the day when it was all just normal food. Takes longer to build with real food (no fast food or processed shit). That's why everyone uses supplements to amp up their game. Do research if you want a supplement free diet. It will take time no matter what.


    They make take other substances that aren't labeled as steroids too but are not approved by FDA so considered drugs
  • gymguy81

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    May 30, 2013 9:15 PM GMT
    depends on the orginzation
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    May 30, 2013 9:31 PM GMT
    AlphaTrigger saidIs there a school of bodybuilding that seeks after the classic body proportions (Think Eugene Sandow, Steve Reeves, and other Pre-1960s era champions)...?

    Or isit all truly about being the biggest steroid using/supplement whoring sideshow freak in posing undies slathered in tanning butter?

    Honestly - I can appreciate that those guys put in shit-tonnes of hours and sweat and dollars into food, supps, and 'roids... but why did that become the gold standard?


    You need to travel abroad for awhile. US has its own bigorexic beauty standards. I know it's a hard to prove statement, but here it goes: elsewhere in the world, the bloated ultra-buff look is becoming passé. It is already passé for the 18-22 generation. You won't notice it because you live in US and you probably only hang with people of your generation.

    Another thing to have in mind: many steroid users have that classic proportions you mentioned. Not all steroids cause bloat. Even with steroids your genes still dictate your results to a considerable degree. It is extremely unlikely an ectomorphic man will become competition huge even with the use of the most powerful steroids. He will most likely become that which you consider most "natural".
  • rugbyjockca

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    May 31, 2013 1:35 AM GMT
    Speaking for myself, the huge, roided out look is hot. I have absolutely no problem with the direction that bodybuilding has gone in, except for the cost in long-term health. The guys at the top of the sport are amazing, IMO.

    You know one thing that would change the way we look at bodybuilders and their drug use? Changing the way that we look at drugs and how we use them, instead of this medieval "these drugs are bad/these drugs are good" dichotomy.
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    May 31, 2013 2:26 AM GMT
    Also, I'm pretty sure the classic bodybuilders were on drugs too. Just not as advanced as what's available today. Because honestly, you can't achieve this look from lifting weights and drinking Ovaltine. icon_neutral.gif

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    Jun 03, 2013 2:22 AM GMT
    xrichx saidAlso, I'm pretty sure the classic bodybuilders were on drugs too. Just not as advanced as what's available today. Because honestly, you can't achieve this look from lifting weights and drinking Ovaltine. icon_neutral.gif

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    Yea you can. He's flexing. Doesn't look too big to me.