Chicago: 8 More Shootings In One Day

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    Jun 01, 2013 3:28 PM GMT
    First I want to say that I have lived in Chicago my whole life, so I have more than a passing interest in this topic.

    Second I want to point out that in Chicago and Illinois we have some of the most restrictive gun control laws in the country.

    Third I want to say that Chicago is leading the nation in the number of gun related incidents once again this year.

    Here is the article:

    http://www.bet.com/news/national/2013/05/31/gun-violence-rocks-chicago-as-8-are-shot-in-one-day.html

    The level of gun violence in Chicago, which has caused shock waves nationally, is continuing with eight people having been shot in the nation’s third largest city in a 24-hour period that ended Friday morning, including one that ended with the death of a 15-year-old boy.

    The 24-hour period of gun violence also included the shooting of an 18-year-old man, three women and several others.
  • roadbikeRob

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    Jun 01, 2013 3:35 PM GMT
    Isn't most of this gun violence restricted to Chicago's poorest and most decayed neighborhoods and around the housing projectsicon_question.gif
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    Jun 01, 2013 3:36 PM GMT
    roadbikeRob saidIsn't most of this gun violence restricted to Chicago's poorest and most decayed neighborhoods and around the housing projectsicon_question.gif


    Yes. Those areas are subject to the same extremely strict gun-control laws as the rest of us. Could it be... that there's a segment of the population that will ignore gun control laws and commit crimes with guns?
  • roadbikeRob

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    Jun 01, 2013 4:10 PM GMT
    CallMeAnytime said
    roadbikeRob saidIsn't most of this gun violence restricted to Chicago's poorest and most decayed neighborhoods and around the housing projectsicon_question.gif


    Yes. Those areas are subject to the same extremely strict gun-control laws as the rest of us. Could it be... that there's a segment of the population that will ignore gun control laws and commit crimes with guns?
    So much for demolishing all the high rise housing projects like Cabrini-Green, the new low rise townhouse projects are not working any better. The underlying problem here is the serious lack of education and employment opportunities in these poor mostly black neighborhoods. The more bored, unemployed people you have on the corners the more gun violence is going to erupt from out of the blue. The type of housing has nothing to do with it. Instead it is the poor schools and the stagnant economy that are driving the violence in these impoverished neighborhoods. Meanwhile the rest of the City of Chicago and most of its suburbs all continue to prosper. These poor, mostly black neighborhoods have again been left behind and forgotten.
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    Jun 01, 2013 5:28 PM GMT
    ^ Yes I think you have it pretty much correct. Yet we still here the cries for even MORE gun control, as if that will do anything to help the problem. All it does is give the politicians an opportunity to show how they are "doing something" about the problem (when they are really doing nothing to solve the problem).
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    Jun 01, 2013 5:59 PM GMT
    CallMeAnytime, What would solve the problem in your opinion?

    Would you make current gun control less restrictive?

  • jock_1

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    Jun 01, 2013 9:12 PM GMT
    There is not one politician who who wants to fix this problem. You know why? Because politicians can't solve the problem in Chicago. It is a problem that must be solved by the black community. They have the schooling in place and all the money in the world would not fix the lack of education. The jobs are there to be had yet the unemployment rate in the black community staggering. The cause of shootings in Chicago and any other big city for that matter is deeper than education, jobs or money. Its lack of any moral compass in life and no family structure. It will take generations to fix this crisis. No, many of our leaders won't tackle this crisis let alone even discuss it. It has to be solved one person, one family at a time.
  • conservativej...

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    Jun 01, 2013 9:47 PM GMT
    In the neighborhoods were the violence occurs, there is an obvious solution. On every other corner along the main thoroughfares stop a tractor and trailer loaded with Glock handguns. Be sure not to forget ample ammunition. Then allow the Gangbangers to go at it.

    In time they will kill each other off and guess what? Problem solved.

    Folks, trash will always be trash even if the government hands each individual $100K US every year. It's in their blood. Live with that fact.
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    Jun 01, 2013 10:14 PM GMT
    jock_1 saidThere is not one politician who who wants to fix this problem. You know why? Because politicians can't solve the problem in Chicago. It is a problem that must be solved by the black community. They have the schooling in place and all the money in the world would not fix the lack of education. The jobs are there to be had yet the unemployment rate in the black community staggering. The cause of shootings in Chicago and any other big city for that matter is deeper than education, jobs or money. Its lack of any moral compass in life and no family structure. It will take generations to fix this crisis. No, many of our leaders won't tackle this crisis let alone even discuss it. It has to be solved one person, one family at a time.

    This makes sense. Now, institute it and you will win a Nobel Prize.
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    Jun 01, 2013 10:27 PM GMT
    It sucks there has to be bad areas here in the US with the violence and crimes.
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    Jun 02, 2013 12:16 AM GMT
    blazerblue saidCallMeAnytime, What would solve the problem in your opinion?

    Would you make current gun control less restrictive?



    See my post immediately above yours.
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    Jun 02, 2013 2:46 AM GMT
    "See my post immediately above yours." ???

    Sorry, CallMeAnytime, but in none of your above remarks did you suggest any solutions.
    You did repeat that the current gun restrictions weren't working.

    Anything more you'd like to add?
  • Christoforos

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    Jun 02, 2013 2:50 AM GMT
    conservativejock saidIn the neighborhoods were the violence occurs, there is an obvious solution. On every other corner along the main thoroughfares stop a tractor and trailer loaded with Glock handguns. Be sure not to forget ample ammunition. Then allow the Gangbangers to go at it.

    In time they will kill each other off and guess what? Problem solved.

    Folks, trash will always be trash even if the government hands each individual $100K US every year. It's in their blood. Live with that fact.


    I agree with this post to an extent. Part of it has me rubbing my chin and scratching my head.
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    Jun 02, 2013 2:59 AM GMT
    CallMeAnytime said^ Yet we still here the cries for even MORE gun control, as if that will do anything to help the problem..


    Correct. MORE gun control THAT STOPS AT THE CITY LIMITS or even at the Illinois border is likely to have very little effect on the number of guns available in Chicago.

    Responsible, nonviolent gun owners deserve a system that allows their access to guns for both sport and self defense.

    They also deserve a system that doesn't make it easy for every lunatic in the country to have the same access.
  • HottJoe

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    Jun 02, 2013 3:24 AM GMT
    conservativejock saidIn the neighborhoods were the violence occurs, there is an obvious solution. On every other corner along the main thoroughfares stop a tractor and trailer loaded with Glock handguns. Be sure not to forget ample ammunition. Then allow the Gangbangers to go at it.

    In time they will kill each other off and guess what? Problem solved.

    Folks, trash will always be trash even if the government hands each individual $100K US every year. It's in their blood. Live with that fact.


    So, in other words, use American foreign policy domestically??? Don't even get me started.icon_rolleyes.gif

    This thread started as a ploy to talk against gun control and quickly got ugly after Jock_1 decided to declare that blighted communities lacked any moral compass. Gangs are the problem. A lot of immigrants end up in those neighborhoods only to have their kids swept into gang violence. If you actually listen to people's stories you realize that people are more alike than different.
  • jock_1

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    Jun 02, 2013 1:00 PM GMT
    HottJoe said
    conservativejock saidIn the neighborhoods were the violence occurs, there is an obvious solution. On every other corner along the main thoroughfares stop a tractor and trailer loaded with Glock handguns. Be sure not to forget ample ammunition. Then allow the Gangbangers to go at it.

    In time they will kill each other off and guess what? Problem solved.

    Folks, trash will always be trash even if the government hands each individual $100K US every year. It's in their blood. Live with that fact.


    So, in other words, use American foreign policy domestically??? Don't even get me started.icon_rolleyes.gif

    This thread started as a ploy to talk against gun control and quickly got ugly after Jock_1 decided to declare that blighted communities lacked any moral compass. Gangs are the problem. A lot of immigrants end up in those neighborhoods only to have their kids swept into gang violence. If you actually listen to people's stories you realize that people are more alike than different.


    So what did I say that is untrue? Gangs are started because there is no family structure to keep kids out of gangs. There is nothing ugly about the truth. The only ugly thing about it is people like yourself running circles around the issue and doing nothing to talk about it or try to solve it. Then you know what?, it keeps going and going and going and nothing gets done and then we are here one year later talking about the same bullshit and wondering whats wrong.
  • HottJoe

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    Jun 02, 2013 1:07 PM GMT
    jock_1 said
    HottJoe said
    conservativejock saidIn the neighborhoods were the violence occurs, there is an obvious solution. On every other corner along the main thoroughfares stop a tractor and trailer loaded with Glock handguns. Be sure not to forget ample ammunition. Then allow the Gangbangers to go at it.

    In time they will kill each other off and guess what? Problem solved.

    Folks, trash will always be trash even if the government hands each individual $100K US every year. It's in their blood. Live with that fact.


    So, in other words, use American foreign policy domestically??? Don't even get me started.icon_rolleyes.gif

    This thread started as a ploy to talk against gun control and quickly got ugly after Jock_1 decided to declare that blighted communities lacked any moral compass. Gangs are the problem. A lot of immigrants end up in those neighborhoods only to have their kids swept into gang violence. If you actually listen to people's stories you realize that people are more alike than different.


    So what did I say that is untrue? Gangs are started because there is no family structure to keep kids out of gangs. There is nothing ugly about the truth. The only ugly thing about it is people like yourself running circles around the issue and doing nothing to talk about it or try to solve it. Then you know what?, it keeps going and going and going and nothing gets done and then we are here one year later talking about the same bullshit and wondering whats wrong.


    Most of these gang members are boys under 18, and the people most hurt by it are their mothers. As children, these boys are indoctrinated into gangs. You're acting as though these are men, but they are impoverished delinquents. It's a social issue that can be solved.
  • jock_1

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    Jun 02, 2013 1:20 PM GMT
    HottJoe said
    jock_1 said
    HottJoe said
    conservativejock saidIn the neighborhoods were the violence occurs, there is an obvious solution. On every other corner along the main thoroughfares stop a tractor and trailer loaded with Glock handguns. Be sure not to forget ample ammunition. Then allow the Gangbangers to go at it.

    In time they will kill each other off and guess what? Problem solved.

    Folks, trash will always be trash even if the government hands each individual $100K US every year. It's in their blood. Live with that fact.


    So, in other words, use American foreign policy domestically??? Don't even get me started.icon_rolleyes.gif

    This thread started as a ploy to talk against gun control and quickly got ugly after Jock_1 decided to declare that blighted communities lacked any moral compass. Gangs are the problem. A lot of immigrants end up in those neighborhoods only to have their kids swept into gang violence. If you actually listen to people's stories you realize that people are more alike than different.


    So what did I say that is untrue? Gangs are started because there is no family structure to keep kids out of gangs. There is nothing ugly about the truth. The only ugly thing about it is people like yourself running circles around the issue and doing nothing to talk about it or try to solve it. Then you know what?, it keeps going and going and going and nothing gets done and then we are here one year later talking about the same bullshit and wondering whats wrong.


    Most of these gang members are boys under 18, and the people most hurt by it are their mothers. As children, these boys are indoctrinated into gangs. You're acting as though these are men, but they are impoverished delinquents. It's a social issue that can be solved.


    You gave not one thought to what I just mentioned except to put your blinders on and go to your one talking point. Its a problem that runs far deeper than gangs dude. I didnt say they were men, as a matter of fact I never mentioned gangs in my first post on this topic, instead you inserted it.
  • HottJoe

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    Jun 02, 2013 1:40 PM GMT
    jock_1 said
    HottJoe said
    jock_1 said
    HottJoe said
    conservativejock saidIn the neighborhoods were the violence occurs, there is an obvious solution. On every other corner along the main thoroughfares stop a tractor and trailer loaded with Glock handguns. Be sure not to forget ample ammunition. Then allow the Gangbangers to go at it.

    In time they will kill each other off and guess what? Problem solved.

    Folks, trash will always be trash even if the government hands each individual $100K US every year. It's in their blood. Live with that fact.


    So, in other words, use American foreign policy domestically??? Don't even get me started.icon_rolleyes.gif

    This thread started as a ploy to talk against gun control and quickly got ugly after Jock_1 decided to declare that blighted communities lacked any moral compass. Gangs are the problem. A lot of immigrants end up in those neighborhoods only to have their kids swept into gang violence. If you actually listen to people's stories you realize that people are more alike than different.


    So what did I say that is untrue? Gangs are started because there is no family structure to keep kids out of gangs. There is nothing ugly about the truth. The only ugly thing about it is people like yourself running circles around the issue and doing nothing to talk about it or try to solve it. Then you know what?, it keeps going and going and going and nothing gets done and then we are here one year later talking about the same bullshit and wondering whats wrong.


    Most of these gang members are boys under 18, and the people most hurt by it are their mothers. As children, these boys are indoctrinated into gangs. You're acting as though these are men, but they are impoverished delinquents. It's a social issue that can be solved.


    You gave not one thought to what I just mentioned except to put your blinders on and go to your one talking point. Its a problem that runs far deeper than gangs dude. I didnt say they were men, as a matter of fact I never mentioned gangs in my first post on this topic, instead you inserted it.


    I thought about all that you said. It's just that kids who come from good families can still succumb to peer pressure and end up in gangs, and we're discussing gang violence. That's ostensibly the topic of the thread, although the OP has an ulterior motive.

    Honestly, it's young men and boys, mainly, yet you're trying to say everyone in that community lacks family structure and a moral compass. I know that's not true. You're just using rhetoric to bash people who's stories you know nothing about. Anyone with half a brain can read your original post and see that you are being belittling and damning to impoverished minorities. That would be like saying all suburban families have no morals every time there is violence in predominately middle class and wealthy schools. When rich people are violent, society blames mental disorders. When poor people are violent, they say their communities have no moral compass. Learn to recognize your own hypocrisy.
  • jock_1

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    Jun 02, 2013 1:56 PM GMT
    HottJoe said
    jock_1 said
    HottJoe said
    jock_1 said
    HottJoe said
    conservativejock saidIn the neighborhoods were the violence occurs, there is an obvious solution. On every other corner along the main thoroughfares stop a tractor and trailer loaded with Glock handguns. Be sure not to forget ample ammunition. Then allow the Gangbangers to go at it.

    In time they will kill each other off and guess what? Problem solved.

    Folks, trash will always be trash even if the government hands each individual $100K US every year. It's in their blood. Live with that fact.


    So, in other words, use American foreign policy domestically??? Don't even get me started.icon_rolleyes.gif

    This thread started as a ploy to talk against gun control and quickly got ugly after Jock_1 decided to declare that blighted communities lacked any moral compass. Gangs are the problem. A lot of immigrants end up in those neighborhoods only to have their kids swept into gang violence. If you actually listen to people's stories you realize that people are more alike than different.


    So what did I say that is untrue? Gangs are started because there is no family structure to keep kids out of gangs. There is nothing ugly about the truth. The only ugly thing about it is people like yourself running circles around the issue and doing nothing to talk about it or try to solve it. Then you know what?, it keeps going and going and going and nothing gets done and then we are here one year later talking about the same bullshit and wondering whats wrong.


    Most of these gang members are boys under 18, and the people most hurt by it are their mothers. As children, these boys are indoctrinated into gangs. You're acting as though these are men, but they are impoverished delinquents. It's a social issue that can be solved.


    You gave not one thought to what I just mentioned except to put your blinders on and go to your one talking point. Its a problem that runs far deeper than gangs dude. I didnt say they were men, as a matter of fact I never mentioned gangs in my first post on this topic, instead you inserted it.


    I thought about all that you said. It's just that kids who come from good families can still succumb to peer pressure and end up in gangs, and we're discussing gang violence. That's ostensibly the topic of the thread, although the OP has an ulterior motive.

    Honestly, it's young men and boys, mainly, yet you're trying to say everyone in that community lacks family structure and a moral compass. I know that's not true. You're just using rhetoric to bash people who's stories you know nothing about. Anyone with half a brain can read your original post and see that you are being belittling and damning to impoverished minorities. That would be like saying all suburban families have no morals every time there is violence in predominately middle class and wealthy schools. When rich people are violent, society blames mental disorders. When poor people are violent, they say their communities have no moral compass. Learn to recognize your own hypocrisy.


    You just don't get it
  • HottJoe

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    Jun 02, 2013 1:59 PM GMT
    No, I get it. You think poor communities in Chicago lack family structure and a moral compass. You think your own community is better than that. What else is there to get?
  • jock_1

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    Jun 02, 2013 2:07 PM GMT
    HottJoe saidNo, I get it. You think poor communities in Chicago lack family structure and a moral compass. You think your own community is better than that. What else is there to get?


    No. I know poor communities in Chicago lack family structure and a moral compass. Thats the difference between you and me. I know it exists and you try to pretend its something else. Instead of pissing on me and starting arguements out of no where why dont you offer solutions instead of blame excusses.
  • HottJoe

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    Jun 02, 2013 2:27 PM GMT
    jock_1 said
    HottJoe saidNo, I get it. You think poor communities in Chicago lack family structure and a moral compass. You think your own community is better than that. What else is there to get?


    No. I know poor communities in Chicago lack family structure and a moral compass. Thats the difference between you and me. I know it exists and you try to pretend its something else. Instead of pissing on me and starting arguements out of no where why dont you offer solutions instead of blame excusses.


    My solution is stricter gun control and creating opportunities for blighted communities to gain more solid footing in society. Again, many of the offenders are kids, and it takes a village to raise a child.... I really don't think looking down on them from your armchair is a solution, especially since gun violence is far from restricted to any one community. Gun violence happens across all communities in America. We just use different labels to separate poor from rich and black from white.
  • jock_1

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    Jun 02, 2013 2:35 PM GMT
    HottJoe said
    jock_1 said
    HottJoe saidNo, I get it. You think poor communities in Chicago lack family structure and a moral compass. You think your own community is better than that. What else is there to get?


    No. I know poor communities in Chicago lack family structure and a moral compass. Thats the difference between you and me. I know it exists and you try to pretend its something else. Instead of pissing on me and starting arguements out of no where why dont you offer solutions instead of blame excusses.


    My solution is stricter gun control and creating opportunities for blighted communities to gain more solid footing in society. Again, many of the offenders are kids, and it takes a village to raise a child.... I really don't think looking down on them from your armchair is a solution, especially since gun violence is far from restricted to any one community. Gun violence happens across all communities in America. We just use different labels to separate poor from rich and black from white.


    So then in Chicago, elect the people that will get the job done! Doesnt seem like the hacks they have in Illinois is doing much to solve the problem
  • HottJoe

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    Jun 02, 2013 2:44 PM GMT
    jock_1 said
    HottJoe said
    jock_1 said
    HottJoe saidNo, I get it. You think poor communities in Chicago lack family structure and a moral compass. You think your own community is better than that. What else is there to get?


    No. I know poor communities in Chicago lack family structure and a moral compass. Thats the difference between you and me. I know it exists and you try to pretend its something else. Instead of pissing on me and starting arguements out of no where why dont you offer solutions instead of blame excusses.


    My solution is stricter gun control and creating opportunities for blighted communities to gain more solid footing in society. Again, many of the offenders are kids, and it takes a village to raise a child.... I really don't think looking down on them from your armchair is a solution, especially since gun violence is far from restricted to any one community. Gun violence happens across all communities in America. We just use different labels to separate poor from rich and black from white.


    So then in Chicago, elect the people that will get the job done! Doesnt seem like the hacks they have in Illinois is doing much to solve the problem


    I agree with you there. Chicago seems to have a string of corrupt politicians. I don't live there. You and I both live in more peaceful areas of the Midwest. I live near N. MPLS, which, in 1997, was coined murderapolis because of a spike in gun related violence, but the city has come a long way. Chicago has deeper issues and it is lagging compared to many other cities in the country, especially in the Midwest.