ANOTHER Anti-Gay Attack In NYC

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    Jun 01, 2013 3:34 PM GMT
    But, but... people in liberal NYC are so much more "enlightened" than those in those scary states like Texas. How could this be happening in the liberal stronghold known as NYC? Or is this just happening in the "redneck" part of NYC?

    http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2013/05/31/apparent-anti-gay-attack-in-prospect-park-continues-troubling-trend-in-nyc/

    Apparent Anti-Gay Attack In Prospect Park Continues Troubling Trend In NYC

    There has been another apparent gay bashing incident. This one happened in Brooklyn and arrests were made at the scene.

    So far this year, there have been some 30 gay bias attacks in the New York City, more than double for the same period last year.
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    Jun 01, 2013 4:12 PM GMT
    A very big difference in the comparison you make between NYC and Texas is that there wouldn't be anywhere near the public outrage in Texas as in NYC. Nor the same level of publicity that enables us to hear about this crime, the same immediate police response to arrest the attackers, and the same hate-crime laws to prosecute the perpetrators and protect present and future gay victims.

    So that an anti-gay attack like this actually DOES demonstrate how much more enlightened the Liberals of New York City are, compared to the backward Conservatives of Texas. That a city of nearly 8 million, more than some entire US States, with people relocating there from all over the US and the world, would have its own anti-gay thugs can hardly be a surprise. Crime is everywhere.

    What would be more surprising is for Texas to report its own anti-gay hate crimes as quickly and widely, to be as condemning, to investigate & prosecute as vigorously, and to pass protective laws for its own LGBT community.

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  • HottJoe

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    Jun 01, 2013 4:18 PM GMT
    "But, but... people in liberal NYC are so much more "enlightened'"

    Apparently, some of them are not enlightened enough.
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    Jun 01, 2013 5:25 PM GMT
    HottJoe said"But, but... people in liberal NYC are so much more "enlightened'"

    Apparently, some of them are not enlightened enough.


    Right on target with that comment, thanks. During the past few months when I was just a lurker here, deciding whether or not to join the site, I've read so many attacks here on the "great unwashed masses" states, condemning the entire state and all the people in a state simply because that state isn't one of the "liberal approved" states.

    I wish there were more people like you here that could make this point more often when these attacks are made on an entire state.


    As for the comment by Arts Deco, I have no comment as all I have seen from him is post after post making overly general statements and bullying and picking fights with other members.

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    Jun 01, 2013 6:34 PM GMT
    Horrific, maybe the gays should fight back...icon_confused.gif
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    Jun 01, 2013 6:51 PM GMT
    Other co-factors are:

    - Huge population crowded in a smaller land mass = more opportunity for the failed genes full of stupid to emerge and express themselves violently.

    - A general backlash against the recent expansion in public recognition of LGBT rights. Either it is the last great gasp of resistance against equality for all, or a the rise of a very disturbing trend that, despite the best efforts of media and the political class to "normalize" the 3% of the population that identifies as LGBT to the remaining 30%-40% of the general population that ranges from indifferent to harbouring outright hostility toward us.
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    Jun 01, 2013 8:40 PM GMT
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    CallMeAnytime saidRight on target with that comment, thanks. During the past few months when I was just a lurker here, deciding whether or not to join the site, I've read so many attacks here on the "great unwashed masses" states, condemning the entire state and all the people in a state simply because that state isn't one of the "liberal approved" states.

    I don't hate Texas because it's "neanderthal".
    I hate it because it's filled to the grim with my idiot cousins, who are.

    This, except my cousin who moved to Texas to work.
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    Jun 01, 2013 11:15 PM GMT
    AlphaTrigger saidOther co-factors are:

    - Huge population crowded in a smaller land mass = more opportunity for the failed genes full of stupid to emerge and express themselves violently.

    - A general backlash against the recent expansion in public recognition of LGBT rights. Either it is the last great gasp of resistance against equality for all, or a the rise of a very disturbing trend that, despite the best efforts of media and the political class to "normalize" the 3% of the population that identifies as LGBT to the remaining 30%-40% of the general population that ranges from indifferent to harbouring outright hostility toward us.


    Good theories. Anything to back them up with though?
  • MartinMPL

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    Jun 02, 2013 12:23 AM GMT
    CallMeAnytime saidBut, but... people in liberal NYC are so much more "enlightened" than those in those scary states like Texas. How could this be happening in the liberal stronghold known as NYC? Or is this just happening in the "redneck" part of NYC?

    http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2013/05/31/apparent-anti-gay-attack-in-prospect-park-continues-troubling-trend-in-nyc/

    Apparent Anti-Gay Attack In Prospect Park Continues Troubling Trend In NYC

    There has been another apparent gay bashing incident. This one happened in Brooklyn and arrests were made at the scene.

    So far this year, there have been some 30 gay bias attacks in the New York City, more than double for the same period last year.


    That shit still happens bloody hell!
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    Jun 02, 2013 12:38 AM GMT
    CallMeAnytime saidSo far this year, there have been some 30 gay bias attacks in the New York City, more than double for the same period last year.
    I guess the Republicans are getting pissed that their secret boyfriends are coming out of the closet.
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    Jun 02, 2013 1:22 AM GMT
    chefBH saidGood theories. Anything to back them up with though?


    Nothing along the lines of sourced research, heheh.

    I'm just drawing the conclusions based upon what I see as typical human group behaviour.

    Let's arbitrarily select a smaller community, a town called Schmoodunk, NY which is fictionally set in a somewhat left-leaning enclave in New York's upper Hudson Valley with a population of about 12,000 people:

    The chance of a murder as a result of hate/bias crime *within the members of that community* would seem likely to be lowered as the town has a plurality of mostly like-minded people, and a greater chance of being caught or being held to account for their actions.

    Conversely, another town not too far away is called Deerfuck, NY, and is mostly populated by working class families and a fair number of mooks who think that The Deer Hunter is the sum of all cinematic greatness for all time. You might even find a chapter of The Flat Earth Club there.

    A hate/bias crime might be slightly more likely to happen there, but most gay boys worth their salt will have moved out of that dump, thereby leaving Deerfuck, NY as a close knit conservative community where everyone snoops into everyone else's shit.

    Of course, murder is murder, and a person motivated enough to conduct a premeditated murder is somewhat outside the scope of my hypothesis; but a random hate motivated act of violence (in my opinion) seems more likely in a big city where there are far more many chances for random encounters may result in a hate-filled bigot to lash out at a surplus of available targets.

    With 8-9 million people clustered together on a landmass about 20 square miles, it is quite probable that there is an ample supply of people willing to act on their hatred toward LGBT people.

    As for my speculation about backlash, consider the possibility that these failed individuals feel powerless to stem the tide of changing public opinion, to say nothing of the momentum for that change maintained by the media and various political action groups.

    Whether they are motivated by a grievous misapplication of religion, or so bound by an irrational fear that recognizing the inherent right that LGBT people have to be treated equally under the law as they are - they make a last, weak grab at keeping what little sense of power they feel they have by acting violently.

    Unfortunately for us, this has a price paid in blood; unfortunately for them, this will not change the fact that social change is in progress, and that change points to our equality under the law as citizens.

    Look to the nations of Africa as the counter-example, especially Nigeria.

    There, fear and bigotry are being enshrined into their law. Nations like that see what is happening in the First World nations and as a result, they protect bigotry and hatred and sponsor state-sanctioned hate crimes against their LGBT population.

    It is a terrible backlash, and I hope that as a city, and as a state, and ultimately as a republic, we can overcome our natural tendency toward violence as a solution to things we disagree sharply about.
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    Jun 02, 2013 1:24 AM GMT
    CallMeAnytime said
    As for the comment by Arts Deco, I have no comment as all I have seen from him is post after post making overly general statements and bullying and picking fights with other members.

    Amazing retroactive observational skills for someone who joined RJ barely a week ago, yet has seen my "post after post" and who hit the ground running by immediately spamming Right Wing propaganda here.

    And the real reason you have no comment is not because of me, since I made no "overly general statements" in reply to you but instead very specific ones. Your real problem rather being you were proven factually wrong in your false assertions about Liberals.

    If your mocking & insulting "...people in liberal NYC are so much more "enlightened" than those in those scary states like Texas" isn't a perfect example of an "overly general statement" then I don't know what is.
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    Jun 02, 2013 2:40 AM GMT
    @AlphaTrigger - good post

    @Arts Deco - idiotic post

    Deco - as I've written above, I've read these forums for quite some time before becoming a member of this web site, so I realize that it was quite likely you would start to harass and bully me, and probably "report" me as well just because I wrote something you didn't like. I'm politely going to ask you to refrain from posting your usual slanders, lies and "suspicions" like you do to everyone who is new here that posts something that you disagree with.
  • Christoforos

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    Jun 02, 2013 2:44 AM GMT
    Quit crying, OP. Your focus should be on the story, not the "mean old liberals".
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    Jun 02, 2013 8:27 PM GMT
    Christoforos saidQuit crying, OP. Your focus should be on the story, not the "mean old liberals".


    It's Southbeach1500. Stevie Wonder can see it's him.
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    Jun 02, 2013 8:46 PM GMT
    I wish the victims had possessed CCW permits and been armed at the time so that they wouldn't have been easy targets for these low-rent goons.

    Still, something seems out of place...according to this story, he had "encountered" these teenagers and then offered them a bottle of soda "as a gesture of kindness." Did he initiate this exchange? Not clear from this story who approached who first, but regardless, why would you even say anything to a group of young males visibly intoxicated in public? (Doesn't excuse what they did at all, but just not a smart thing to do.) I've crossed the street in broad daylight when I see groups of teenagers congregating who appear to be up to no good just to avoid walking past them. Anyway, definitely an odd story...
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    Jun 02, 2013 8:50 PM GMT
    CallMeAnytime said
    HottJoe said"But, but... people in liberal NYC are so much more "enlightened'"

    Apparently, some of them are not enlightened enough.


    Right on target with that comment, thanks. During the past few months when I was just a lurker here, deciding whether or not to join the site, I've read so many attacks here on the "great unwashed masses" states, condemning the entire state and all the people in a state simply because that state isn't one of the "liberal approved" states.

    I wish there were more people like you here that could make this point more often when these attacks are made on an entire state.


    As for the comment by Arts Deco, I have no comment as all I have seen from him is post after post making overly general statements and bullying and picking fights with other members.



    go back to lurking.

    you have zero to contribute.
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    Jun 02, 2013 10:26 PM GMT
    creature said
    Christoforos saidQuit crying, OP. Your focus should be on the story, not the "mean old liberals".


    It's Southbeach1500. Stevie Wonder can see it's him.


    No kidding. Whoever "he" really is, his behavior here with the multiple socks is nothing short of bizarre. It's not like anyone's fooled for long.
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    Jun 02, 2013 11:30 PM GMT
    the sock accounts are like scabs.

    They get picked off and they just grow back.
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    Jun 03, 2013 12:11 AM GMT
    Christoforos saidQuit crying, OP. Your focus should be on the story, not the "mean old liberals".


    This is Southbeach you're talking to. Not gonna happen.
  • AMoonHawk

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    Jun 03, 2013 12:35 AM GMT
    HottJoe said"But, but... people in liberal NYC are so much more "enlightened'"

    Apparently, some of them are not enlightened enough.

    Maybe tazers would help enlighten them icon_mad.gif