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    Jun 03, 2013 10:05 PM GMT
    what the benefits of Crossfit??? icon_eek.gif

    im thinking about doing that.. but before that,

    educate me what Crossfit can do for you in the long run...


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    Jun 03, 2013 11:01 PM GMT
    There are a number of threads here that cover that question and more icon_smile.gif

    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/?searchtext=crossfit

    I do crossfit. I saw Luke MacFarlane (see google) at my box this morning (who is quite attractive). The guys who stick with it and don't get injured have smokin bods to show for it. It's not cheap (I pay a little over $200/month), but it's still way cheaper than personal training.

    There are some who say the risk of injury is higher - but with a good trainer, I think that risk is mitigated with mobility exercises and listening to your body.
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    Jun 04, 2013 12:55 AM GMT
    I did crossfit, really enjoyed it- there's a competitve vibe to doing crossfit- you don't want to be the one who doesn't finish the exercise (or maybe that was just me and my friends)

    really gets you motivated, and learning the proper form so as not to injure yourself

    Plus- people who do crossfit in my gym are all really fun and supportive

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    Jun 04, 2013 5:56 PM GMT
    It is a fitness cult that markets trendy ideas that aren't based in sound science, but because enough people do it, crossfit people question real workout principles. They also promote the trendy paleo diet instead of something created by boards of PhDs on the government website, choosemyplate.gov
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    Jun 04, 2013 6:12 PM GMT
    bluey2223 saidIt is a fitness cult that markets trendy ideas that aren't based in sound science, but because enough people do it, crossfit people question real workout principles. They also promote the trendy paleo diet instead of something created by boards of PhDs on the government website, choosemyplate.gov


    Lol - you clearly don't understand how controversial either the food pyramid that came before it, or the myplate approach has been - particularly given the influence of food lobbyists. Try using google.
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    Jun 04, 2013 6:47 PM GMT
    It depends on what you want to get out of it. Crossfit is not the solution to all fitness questions, but if you're interested in developing a good all-around fitness, and are with a box that offers good coaching, then it's certainly an option that works for many. And don't let the cultish zeal of some of the adherents deter you: you can use crossfit and aspects of the paleo diet to the extent that you're comfortable, without going overboard.
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    Jun 05, 2013 1:11 AM GMT
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    bluey2223 saidIt is a fitness cult that markets trendy ideas that aren't based in sound science, but because enough people do it, crossfit people question real workout principles. They also promote the trendy paleo diet instead of something created by boards of PhDs on the government website, choosemyplate.gov


    Lol - you clearly don't understand how controversial either the food pyramid that came before it, or the myplate approach has been - particularly given the influence of food lobbyists. Try using google.


    Link your credible website.
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    Jun 05, 2013 1:22 AM GMT
    bluey2223 said
    riddler78 said
    bluey2223 saidIt is a fitness cult that markets trendy ideas that aren't based in sound science, but because enough people do it, crossfit people question real workout principles. They also promote the trendy paleo diet instead of something created by boards of PhDs on the government website, choosemyplate.gov


    Lol - you clearly don't understand how controversial either the food pyramid that came before it, or the myplate approach has been - particularly given the influence of food lobbyists. Try using google.


    Link your credible website.

    It's more than a little shocking given your profile how ignorant you are of this issue (and how unnecessarily antagonistic you are given your ignorance with respect to CrossFit - and I'll be the first to say that your mileage will vary but I enjoy it)

    Do you consider the NIH or Harvard to be credible?
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8375951
    http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/healthy-eating-plate-vs-usda-myplate/

    More:
    http://notinmyfood.org/posts/1880-lobbying-on-the-food-pyramid-whos-weighing-in
    http://online.wsj.com/article/0,,SB109104875075676781,00.html?mod=health_hs_policy_legislation
    and here: http://www.cbsnews.com/2100-500194_162-636355.html
    http://www.nytimes.com/2002/07/07/magazine/what-if-it-s-all-been-a-big-fat-lie.html?pagewanted=all&src=pm - in fact, the Food Pyramid can and should be blamed for making Americans fatter and now you want to trust the same people with MyPlate?

    And, like I said -
    http://lmgtfy.com/?q=lobbyists+food+pyramid

    To drill down further with respect to sugars, carbs, there's also this:
    http://www.uctv.tv/shows/Sugar-The-Bitter-Truth-16717 (from a researcher/endocrinologist at UCLA)
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    Jun 05, 2013 1:33 AM GMT
    I do it and love it! I pay $99 for 3x/week and I can also go to the 24/7 gym that is associated within the same health facility. People can do Crossfit workouts without belonging to a "box", of course, but the coaches/people/sense of local community that go along with one is great along with the price of membership.

    I also don't shoot down others who don't do Crossfit, or promote that Crossfit style workouts are the only way. It just works for me.
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    Jun 05, 2013 2:15 AM GMT
    riddler78 said
    bluey2223 said
    riddler78 said
    bluey2223 saidIt is a fitness cult that markets trendy ideas that aren't based in sound science, but because enough people do it, crossfit people question real workout principles. They also promote the trendy paleo diet instead of something created by boards of PhDs on the government website, choosemyplate.gov


    Lol - you clearly don't understand how controversial either the food pyramid that came before it, or the myplate approach has been - particularly given the influence of food lobbyists. Try using google.


    Link your credible website.

    It's more than a little shocking given your profile how ignorant you are of this issue (and how unnecessarily antagonistic you are given your ignorance with respect to CrossFit - and I'll be the first to say that your mileage will vary but I enjoy it)

    Do you consider the NIH or Harvard to be credible?
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8375951
    http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/healthy-eating-plate-vs-usda-myplate/

    More:
    http://notinmyfood.org/posts/1880-lobbying-on-the-food-pyramid-whos-weighing-in
    http://online.wsj.com/article/0,,SB109104875075676781,00.html?mod=health_hs_policy_legislation
    and here: http://www.cbsnews.com/2100-500194_162-636355.html
    http://www.nytimes.com/2002/07/07/magazine/what-if-it-s-all-been-a-big-fat-lie.html?pagewanted=all&src=pm - in fact, the Food Pyramid can and should be blamed for making Americans fatter and now you want to trust the same people with MyPlate?

    And, like I said -
    http://lmgtfy.com/?q=lobbyists+food+pyramid

    To drill down further with respect to sugars, carbs, there's also this:
    http://www.uctv.tv/shows/Sugar-The-Bitter-Truth-16717 (from a researcher/endocrinologist at UCLA)


    Yes there are lobbyists. I agree you are right that lobbyists try to influence the government. Corn is commody and in everything. Beef cattle raising is promoted even though feeding everyone on Soy would be much healthier and cheaper.

    However, nutrition science has progressed at the university level as rapidly as the world has changed with Internet and computers. We didn't have those in 1993. The food pyramid was 2 models ago. Since, we have had MyPyramid, and now MyPlate.

    MyPlate was challenged by Walter Willet, of Harvard, mainly because he believes in epidemiology. He believes that dairy is bad because it has shown increased rates of prostate cancer in epidemiological studies. Epidemiological studies do not show causation. They ask a population of people to fill out a food frequency questionnaire as well as a medical history profile, and then they divine correlations. These questionnaires were not sensitive to the saturated fat content of the dairy (were the people getting prostate cancer eating whole fat dairy or nonfat dairy? Was it the calcium or the fact they are eating too many calories anyways? These answers are not broken down in Willet's Harvard Plate. Feel free to analyze it yourself. Until we have further evidence, there's quite enough evidence that milk is an ideal post-workout drink due to the ratio of carbohydrate to protein content, and people aren't going to start popping calcium supplements on an epidemiological level either. I hope you agree we still need calcium in your diet, and vegetables are not a rich source of them.

    The other posts you listed are bloggers and journalists. They write for sensationalism. You also need to forgive the old guidelines because they were pre-internet. Preventative health science has advanced just as fast as computers and the internet have in the last 20 years. Your articles from 1993 are like saying the Catholic Church is evil because they had an Inquisition. Nothing referenced is later than 2009.

    As for you bashing my education, you don't know what I learned in school, so don't bash it. I don't believe ketosis is evil unless you are in ketoacidosis which occurs in diabetics, but I also know that most people don't know how to portion control. Carbohydrates are the preferred fuel of the brain and nervous system, muscles, lens of the eye, blood cells, and nephron of the kidney. The latter three have to rely on glycolysis for energy. Carbs include fruits, vegetables, whole grains, and dairy/calcium beverages with added sugars like soymilk.

    Anyhow, I'm not going to convince anyone because it is a forum post, but cross-fitters read a lot of hype and believe it.
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    Jun 05, 2013 2:25 AM GMT
    bluey2223 said
    riddler78 said
    bluey2223 said
    riddler78 said
    bluey2223 saidIt is a fitness cult that markets trendy ideas that aren't based in sound science, but because enough people do it, crossfit people question real workout principles. They also promote the trendy paleo diet instead of something created by boards of PhDs on the government website, choosemyplate.gov


    Lol - you clearly don't understand how controversial either the food pyramid that came before it, or the myplate approach has been - particularly given the influence of food lobbyists. Try using google.


    Link your credible website.

    It's more than a little shocking given your profile how ignorant you are of this issue (and how unnecessarily antagonistic you are given your ignorance with respect to CrossFit - and I'll be the first to say that your mileage will vary but I enjoy it)

    Do you consider the NIH or Harvard to be credible?
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8375951
    http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/healthy-eating-plate-vs-usda-myplate/

    More:
    http://notinmyfood.org/posts/1880-lobbying-on-the-food-pyramid-whos-weighing-in
    http://online.wsj.com/article/0,,SB109104875075676781,00.html?mod=health_hs_policy_legislation
    and here: http://www.cbsnews.com/2100-500194_162-636355.html
    http://www.nytimes.com/2002/07/07/magazine/what-if-it-s-all-been-a-big-fat-lie.html?pagewanted=all&src=pm - in fact, the Food Pyramid can and should be blamed for making Americans fatter and now you want to trust the same people with MyPlate?

    And, like I said -
    http://lmgtfy.com/?q=lobbyists+food+pyramid

    To drill down further with respect to sugars, carbs, there's also this:
    http://www.uctv.tv/shows/Sugar-The-Bitter-Truth-16717 (from a researcher/endocrinologist at UCLA)


    Yes there are lobbyists. I agree you are right that lobbyists try to influence the government. Corn is commody and in everything. Beef cattle raising is promoted even though feeding everyone on Soy would be much healthier and cheaper.

    However, nutrition science has progressed at the university level as rapidly as the world has changed with Internet and computers. We didn't have those in 1993. The food pyramid was 2 models ago. Since, we have had MyPyramid, and now MyPlate.

    MyPlate was challenged by Walter Willet, of Harvard, mainly because he believes in epidemiology. He believes that dairy is bad because it has shown increased rates of prostate cancer in epidemiological studies. Epidemiological studies do not show causation. They ask a population of people to fill out a food frequency questionnaire as well as a medical history profile, and then they divine correlations. These questionnaires were not sensitive to the saturated fat content of the dairy (were the people getting prostate cancer eating whole fat dairy or nonfat dairy? Was it the calcium or the fact they are eating too many calories anyways? These answers are not broken down in Willet's Harvard Plate. Feel free to analyze it yourself. Until we have further evidence, there's quite enough evidence that milk is an ideal post-workout drink due to the ratio of carbohydrate to protein content, and people aren't going to start popping calcium supplements on an epidemiological level either. I hope you agree we still need calcium in your diet, and vegetables are not a rich source of them.

    The other posts you listed are bloggers and journalists. They write for sensationalism. You also need to forgive the old guidelines because they were pre-internet. Preventative health science has advanced just as fast as computers and the internet have in the last 20 years. Your articles from 1993 are like saying the Catholic Church is evil because they had an Inquisition. Nothing referenced is later than 2009.

    As for you bashing my education, you don't know what I learned in school, so don't bash it. I don't believe ketosis is evil unless you are in ketoacidosis which occurs in diabetics, but I also know that most people don't know how to portion control. Carbohydrates are the preferred fuel of the brain and nervous system, muscles, lens of the eye, blood cells, and nephron of the kidney. The latter three have to rely on glycolysis for energy. Carbs include fruits, vegetables, whole grains, and dairy/calcium beverages with added sugars like soymilk.

    Anyhow, I'm not going to convince anyone because it is a forum post, but cross-fitters read a lot of hype and believe it.


    I note that you didn't bother to address any of the issues in the popular press - which, however hysterical you think they are, are based on underlying facts. Further, there's Robert H. Lustig, MD, UCSF Professor of Pediatrics in the Division of Endocrinology.

    I note you also seem to think that it's PhD that grants you any right to form any opinions on the subject and yet, there are plenty who disagree with the USDA - whose views have been influenced by lobbyists that you don't even bother denying - so what's changed now? Your idea that what's different is the Internet is actually kind of funny. You do know that phones and journals existed before the Internet - and to that point, the Internet predated 1993.

    As for the journal article from the NIH in 1993 - this is just to point out that they've noted the conflicts with industry so if you accept this fact then to suggest that now all is changed makes you more than a bit gullible - certainly more so than the crossfit strawmen you seem to want to knock down.
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    Dude, I didn't read all 10 of your links. Don't think anyone will either. I have better things to do than to argue with someone who isn't even in the science field about nutrition on the internet.

    If you want to live your cult then live it. I really don't give a damn. I also know I'm stronger and more athletic than you and I follow my education for my diet. You probably eat similar shit as me but don't know what you are talking about from a nutrition standpoint because you aren't educated on it formally. WE BOTH EAT CARBS, WE BOTH EAT PROTEIN, WE BOTH EAT FAT. I eat vegetables and so do you. If you want to get all your carbs from vegetables and then not call them a fucking carb, then that's your cross fit bullshit. Grains are not evil, nor are beans. Overeating is.

    I don't follow some crossfit marketer's diet advice. I didn't purposely not address half your links. I just have better shit to do. Don't expect professional advice on RealJock forums. If you want me to analyze this shit, I expect payment on Paypal of $300 on my website because it will take time to sift through it, but it doesn't matter because you've drunk the cross fit koolaid. Quoting medical doctors, who don't study nutrition in school either, is not gonna support your case. But you don't know that because you are a banker. Medical doctors have an optional 1 elective course in some schools on nutrition. I've studied it for 8 years and have worked in it too. People don't know what carbs are. That's half the issue is a war on nomenclature. If you don't have a science background, you don't get it.
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    Jun 07, 2013 7:49 PM GMT
    bluey2223 saidDude, I didn't read all 10 of your links. Don't think anyone will either. I have better things to do than to argue with someone who isn't even in the science field about nutrition on the internet.

    If you want to live your cult then live it. I really don't give a damn. I also know I'm stronger and more athletic than you and I follow my education for my diet. You probably eat similar shit as me but don't know what you are talking about from a nutrition standpoint because you aren't educated on it formally. WE BOTH EAT CARBS, WE BOTH EAT PROTEIN, WE BOTH EAT FAT. I eat vegetables and so do you. If you want to get all your carbs from vegetables and then not call them a fucking carb, then that's your cross fit bullshit. Grains are not evil, nor are beans. Overeating is.

    I don't follow some crossfit marketer's diet advice. I didn't purposely not address half your links. I just have better shit to do. Don't expect professional advice on RealJock forums. If you want me to analyze this shit, I expect payment on Paypal of $300 on my website because it will take time to sift through it, but it doesn't matter because you've drunk the cross fit koolaid. Quoting medical doctors, who don't study nutrition in school either, is not gonna support your case. But you don't know that because you are a banker. Medical doctors have an optional 1 elective course in some schools on nutrition. I've studied it for 8 years and have worked in it too. People don't know what carbs are. That's half the issue is a war on nomenclature. If you don't have a science background, you don't get it.


    Heh - It's remarkable how insecure you are - particularly given you're the one who asked for the evidence. I'd go to a professional if I actually wanted professional advice. Stronger and more athletic than me? Perhaps but probably not based on your pics.

    You're unwilling and too narrow minded to even consider the evidence provided by professionals and you seem to think that the USDA is the be all and end all of nutrition despite their past. Your stupid attempt to be antagonistic backfired and has only accomplished making you look like a fool. Boohoo. Better luck next time. icon_wink.gif
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    Jun 07, 2013 7:56 PM GMT
    You're a fucking idiot. Crossfit makes you good at nothing except crossfit.

    I'm sure you've read all your own propaganda too, NOT.
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    Jun 07, 2013 8:08 PM GMT
    bluey2223 saidYou're a fucking idiot. Crossfit makes you good at nothing except crossfit.

    I'm sure you've read all your own propaganda too, NOT.


    Ironic, all things considered. icon_wink.gif
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    Jun 07, 2013 8:16 PM GMT
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    Jun 07, 2013 8:34 PM GMT
    Back to the original question; For several years, weight lifting was my only workout routine but then i added jogging to my workouts. Two years ago, i replaced jogging with cross-fit training so now i weight lift and cross-fit train. I really enjoy this combination mostly because i am very competitive but also because the variety of exercises used during cross training keeps me motivated. If you think about it - weight lifting + cross fit is a perfect combination - strength, flexibility, endurance. You can tell the difference between those who only cross train and those who combine weight lifting with it. While i may not be the quickest i can certainly do more push-ups, pull-ups, lift more wts (for high reps) and generally have more endurance than those who only cross train.
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    Jun 26, 2013 4:57 AM GMT
    this forum is out of control.. icon_rolleyes.gif

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    twentyfourhourslater saidBack to the original question; For several years, weight lifting was my only workout routine but then i added jogging to my workouts. Two years ago, i replaced jogging with cross-fit training so now i weight lift and cross-fit train. I really enjoy this combination mostly because i am very competitive but also because the variety of exercises used during cross training keeps me motivated. If you think about it - weight lifting + cross fit is a perfect combination - strength, flexibility, endurance. You can tell the difference between those who only cross train and those who combine weight lifting with it. While i may not be the quickest i can certainly do more push-ups, pull-ups, lift more wts (for high reps) and generally have more endurance than those who only cross train.



    HUH? CrossFit AND weight training? Dude.....half of the CrossFit workouts ARE weight training. Are you sure you're going to a legit CrossFit box? If so, there should be absolutely no reason that you would need additional weight training! Go to crossfit.com and click on "affiliates" and make sure your box is listed there. If it's not, I'd switch to one that is.
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    Jun 26, 2013 9:57 PM GMT
    In short, I think the problem with functional training is that you have to be functional to begin with; if you're not and don't have proper supervision by someone who knows what they're doing it's easy to get injured and ruin yourself for life. But then again I'm influenced by the amount of runners who wreck their knees and have to give up running.
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    Jun 26, 2013 9:59 PM GMT
    It works. Period. End of thread. icon_biggrin.gif
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    Jun 27, 2013 3:44 AM GMT
    Actually, I'm now a convert - I strolled by a Crossfit storefront in town and saw a hot guy dripping sweat training shirtless. That's the benefit of Crossfit - hot shirtless guys. Now end thread.
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    Jun 27, 2013 1:24 PM GMT
    Roguewave saidIt works. Period. End of thread. icon_biggrin.gif


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