Gay Marriage: Lords Overwhelmingly Approve Bill, Crush Opposition

  • metta

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    Jun 04, 2013 6:19 PM GMT
    UK House of Lords Approves Marriage Equality Bill in Voice Vote

    http://www.towleroad.com/2013/06/uk-house-of-lords-approves-marriage-equality-bill-in-huge-majority-390-148-vote.html
  • metta

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    Jun 04, 2013 6:19 PM GMT
    Gay Marriage: Lords Overwhelmingly Approve Bill, Crush Opposition

    K House of Lords has crushed an attempt to kill off the gay marriage Bill by 390 votes to 148 - a majority of 242 in favour of same-sex weddings.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/06/04/gay-marriage-house-of-lords-vote_n_3384323.html


    Yay to my country by birth! icon_smile.gif
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    Jun 04, 2013 6:28 PM GMT


    I say....this is GREAT!!!

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  • roadbikeRob

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    Jun 04, 2013 6:53 PM GMT
    Now if only the US would do this nationwide and tell all the narrow minded, bible thumping screwballs exactly where to head especially James Dobson and Fred Phelps.
  • Lincsbear

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    Jun 04, 2013 8:16 PM GMT
    Slightly surprising, but good news, nonetheless. The House of Lords tends to be a rather conservative bunch.

    Maybe all the publicity surrounding the Conservative party`s divisions is affecting them?
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    Jun 05, 2013 12:12 AM GMT
    I'm confused.

    What exactly happens now? Is it legal now? Or does it go through a third reading now?

    I read one article that said the third reading could happen July next year. Why so far away?
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    Jun 05, 2013 12:22 AM GMT
    MisfitToy saidI'm confused.

    What exactly happens now? Is it legal now? Or does it go through a third reading now?

    I read one article that said the third reading could happen July next year. Why so far away?


    Seems to be taking ages here, why can't it be just ruled through in one sitting, no muss, no fuss.
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    Jun 05, 2013 12:27 AM GMT
    The Lord approved it, so it must be ok! Hallelujah praise the lawd! icon_biggrin.gif
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    Jun 05, 2013 12:46 AM GMT
    darren234 said
    MisfitToy saidI'm confused.

    What exactly happens now? Is it legal now? Or does it go through a third reading now?

    I read one article that said the third reading could happen July next year. Why so far away?


    Seems to be taking ages here, why can't it be just ruled through in one sitting, no muss, no fuss.


    At least there is some nationwide process going on in your country. Now how exactly does your legislative process work?

    When would the bill actually get passed?
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    Jun 05, 2013 8:59 AM GMT
    MisfitToy said
    darren234 said
    MisfitToy saidI'm confused.

    What exactly happens now? Is it legal now? Or does it go through a third reading now?

    I read one article that said the third reading could happen July next year. Why so far away?

    Seems to be taking ages here, why can't it be just ruled through in one sitting, no muss, no fuss.


    At least there is some nationwide process going on in your country. Now how exactly does your legislative process work?

    When would the bill actually get passed?


    They reckon the first marriages will be performed in summer 2014. I am quite delighted that the same sex marriage movement is being lead by the conservatives in the UK, with that and Brazil legalising gay marriage, it just shows how backward america still is even with the Bush gone.
  • TheBizMan

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    Jun 05, 2013 9:18 AM GMT
    darren234 said
    MisfitToy said
    darren234 said
    MisfitToy saidI'm confused.

    What exactly happens now? Is it legal now? Or does it go through a third reading now?

    I read one article that said the third reading could happen July next year. Why so far away?

    Seems to be taking ages here, why can't it be just ruled through in one sitting, no muss, no fuss.


    At least there is some nationwide process going on in your country. Now how exactly does your legislative process work?

    When would the bill actually get passed?


    They reckon the first marriages will be performed in summer 2014. I am quite delighted that the same sex marriage movement is being lead by the conservatives in the UK, with that and Brazil legalising gay marriage, it just shows how backward america still is even with the Bush gone.

    It's all the bureaucratic bullshit we have to put up with because you know... we are a "free" country after all. icon_neutral.gif
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    Jun 05, 2013 9:48 AM GMT
    It will pass in the UK - even France, with all of the visible protests against gay marriage, didn't stop the legislation from being passed.

    The UK would look very non progressive if gay marriage wasn't made legal. I just find it embarrassing that the French got there before us icon_lol.gif
  • TroyAthlete

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    Jun 05, 2013 11:12 AM GMT
    Thank you UK for yet another reminder on why the USA, the modern world's most visible democracy, is rapidly becoming a worldwide laughingstock on freedom, equality, and opportunity.
  • FitGwynedd

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    Jun 05, 2013 11:45 AM GMT
    Lincsbear saidSlightly surprising, but good news, nonetheless. The House of Lords tends to be a rather conservative bunch.

    Maybe all the publicity surrounding the Conservative party`s divisions is affecting them?


    They are party in complete and total disarray, not only over gay marriage, but Europe as well. If there was any serious opposition the party would collapse.
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    Jun 05, 2013 12:31 PM GMT
    #AmurikaSuxNoGayMarriage

    For those poo-pooing the USA for its seeming refusal to swiftly enact marriage equality consider the following:

    1. Unlike matters specifically enumerated to the federal Congress (such as passing a budget... lol) the matter of marriage as a whole is (currently) left to the many states to determine within their own jurisdictions. Hence all the court battles and state legislation for and against marriage equality.

    2. We have a dedicated and very well-funded religious lobby that advocates against marriage equality both at the state and federal levels. Most Western European countries on the other hand have only a very slim minority of people that embrace Biblical Christianity, and while somewhat more powerful, the Muslim minorities in Europe have bigger fish to fry in order to get their caliphate going than worrying about who marries who. For now.
  • FitGwynedd

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    Jun 05, 2013 12:34 PM GMT
    TroyAthlete saidThank you UK for yet another reminder on why the USA, the modern world's most visible democracy, is rapidly becoming a worldwide laughingstock on freedom, equality, and opportunity.


    You elect your leaders, we don't. Keep that in mind before you slander your in own country.
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    Jun 05, 2013 12:39 PM GMT
    FitGwynedd said
    TroyAthlete saidThank you UK for yet another reminder on why the USA, the modern world's most visible democracy, is rapidly becoming a worldwide laughingstock on freedom, equality, and opportunity.


    You elect your leaders, we don't. Keep that in mind before you slander your in own country.
    We may elect our leaders, but we don't get to choose which ones are running for office...and they're all corrupt. Keep that in mind when you think we actually have a "choice." icon_wink.gif
  • hebrewman

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    Jun 05, 2013 12:44 PM GMT
    paulflexes said
    FitGwynedd said
    TroyAthlete saidThank you UK for yet another reminder on why the USA, the modern world's most visible democracy, is rapidly becoming a worldwide laughingstock on freedom, equality, and opportunity.


    You elect your leaders, we don't. Keep that in mind before you slander your in own country.
    We may elect our leaders, but we don't get to choose which ones are running for office...and they're all corrupt. Keep that in mind when you think we actually have a "choice." icon_wink.gif


    i could not have said it better myself. here here!
  • owen19832006

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    Jun 05, 2013 1:03 PM GMT
    it hasnt become law just yet their lordships voted on the principle and against the so called wrecking amendments proposed by Conservative Lords.
    now it goes to a third reading but before that it goes to a committee for further scrutiny where their lordships evaluate the law.
    it's important to say in only applies to England and Wales not to Scotland and Northern Ireland.
    The Scottish Parliament is submitting its own Equal Marriage bill at the end of June.
    No such plans in the pipeline for Northern Ireland as the Unionists defeated a Sinn Fein + Alliance proposal in April/May 2013.
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    Jun 05, 2013 1:19 PM GMT
    For those of you bemoaning how "backwards" the U.S. is, of roughly 206 countries 13 (15 in August) allow same-sex marriage, that's 7.3%. Even in progressive Europe, only 22 of 51 countries recognize any same-sex union, with only 9 allowing marriage or 17.6%

    The U.S. also has multiple avenues for rectifying inequality under the law. It is possible that two Supreme Court rulings this month could make same-sex marriage legal under the Federal government and/or require all states to recognize gay marriages. This will take effect immediately after the ruling, much faster than what is happening in the UK. Also, keep in mind the House of Lords is based on peerage dating back to the feudal system and also has dedicated spots for clergy, whereas our dysfunctional congress is at least elected.
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    Jun 05, 2013 1:44 PM GMT
    390 votes to 148 was pretty remarkable, considering those in the know were predicting a close result. Given younger people are overwhelmingly in support of same sex marriage, perhaps the Lords had one eye on their long-term survival as the second chamber. Regardless, it is very good news.


  • FitGwynedd

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    Jun 05, 2013 1:49 PM GMT
    paulflexes said
    FitGwynedd said
    TroyAthlete saidThank you UK for yet another reminder on why the USA, the modern world's most visible democracy, is rapidly becoming a worldwide laughingstock on freedom, equality, and opportunity.


    You elect your leaders, we don't. Keep that in mind before you slander your in own country.
    We may elect our leaders, but we don't get to choose which ones are running for office...and they're all corrupt. Keep that in mind when you think we actually have a "choice." icon_wink.gif


    You say that, but Obama is nowhere near as corrupt as this current British government.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/10093806/House-of-Lords-drawn-into-lobbying-scandal.html

    And at least your leaders have to work to gain that power, ours are chosen by bloodline.
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    FitGwynedd said
    You say that, but Obama is nowhere near as corrupt as this current British government.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/10093806/House-of-Lords-drawn-into-lobbying-scandal.html


    Except that none of the Lords implicated in the latest scandal are members of the government.
  • FitGwynedd

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    Jun 05, 2013 1:58 PM GMT
    Ex_Mil8 said
    FitGwynedd said
    You say that, but Obama is nowhere near as corrupt as this current British government.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/10093806/House-of-Lords-drawn-into-lobbying-scandal.html


    Except that none of the Lords implicated in the latest scandal are members of the government.


    Yeah only because the CONSERVATIVE WHIP resigned over the scandal. Keep drinking the kool-aid, bottomtooth.
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    FitGwynedd said
    Ex_Mil8 said
    FitGwynedd said
    You say that, but Obama is nowhere near as corrupt as this current British government.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/10093806/House-of-Lords-drawn-into-lobbying-scandal.html


    Except that none of the Lords implicated in the latest scandal are members of the government.


    Yeah only because the CONSERVATIVE WHIP resigned over the scandal. Keep drinking the kool-aid, bottomtooth.


    I said 'Lords'.

    Of the six MPs named in the article you quoted, only one, Patrick Mercer, was a member of the government (and a minor one at that). Try to get your facts right, cunt.