Wheat Cardiotoxicity - heart attack risk

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    Jun 04, 2013 11:03 PM GMT
    http://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/wheats-cardiotoxicity-serious-heart-attack
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    Jun 05, 2013 2:25 AM GMT
    Humans have been eating bread made from wheat for thousands of years. Wheat grains were found in the tombs of the pharaoh's. If wheat was toxic I think we'd have realized that *long* ago.
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    Jun 05, 2013 2:39 AM GMT
    Reading the forums on RJ has a higher heart attack risk than any food product.
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    Jun 05, 2013 3:11 AM GMT
    paulflexes saidReading the forums on RJ has a higher heart attack risk than any food product.


    And a risk for brain aneurysms.
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    Jun 05, 2013 4:42 AM GMT
    Unintended said
    Lumpynose saidHumans have been eating bread made from wheat for thousands of years. Wheat grains were found in the tombs of the pharaoh's. If wheat was toxic I think we'd have realized that *long* ago.


    Shortens life span, decreases quality of life and contributes to obesity in modern man.

    Keep in mind that without the medical and sanity advances of modern life, you would already be dead.

    By maybe 20 years...


    Thanks for this posting and the comments. Remember too, the wheat the Pharaohs ate is not the "wheat" most of us eat today. "Spelt wheat" is an ancient grain and is recommended by many conscious nutritionists. Spelt bread and other baked products can be found in better supermarkets and health food stores.
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    Jun 05, 2013 5:28 AM GMT
    Lumpynose saidHumans have been eating bread made from wheat for thousands of years. Wheat grains were found in the tombs of the pharaoh's. If wheat was toxic I think we'd have realized that *long* ago.


    Wrong... Wheat now is not at all like the wheat of our ancestors. It is genetically modified (at best). Why do you think so many are Celiac.
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    Jun 05, 2013 5:45 AM GMT
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    Lumpynose saidHumans have been eating bread made from wheat for thousands of years. Wheat grains were found in the tombs of the pharaoh's. If wheat was toxic I think we'd have realized that *long* ago.


    Wrong... Wheat now is not at all like the wheat of our ancestors. It is genetically modified (at best). Why do you think so many are Celiac.


    just as all the foods advocated in paleo aren't the same. no meat, fruit, vegetable, or grain is what our ancestors ate. it has all selectively been changed.
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    Jun 05, 2013 5:48 AM GMT
    the science in that article is worthy of the catholic church
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    'no meat, fruit, vegetable, or grain is what our ancestors ate'
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    Jun 05, 2013 5:50 AM GMT
    hairyandym said'no meat, fruit, vegetable, or grain is what our ancestors ate'
    huh? icon_confused.gif


    the paleo diet is based on the ridiculous notion that we should eat what our ancestors ate. but we have selectively bred and cultivated our food such that what we eat today is not what out ancestors ate-- sans things like insects and fish.
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    Jun 05, 2013 7:39 AM GMT
    hairyandym saidWrong... Wheat now is not at all like the wheat of our ancestors. It is genetically modified (at best). Why do you think so many are Celiac.


    According to wikipedia's celiac entry, "Increasingly, diagnoses are being made in asymptomatic persons as a result of increased screening;[2] the condition is thought to affect between 1 in 1,750 and 1 in 105 people in the United States."

    1 in 100 would be 1% so what I'm reading is that it's between less than 1% and some very low percentage. I'd hardly call that "so many."

    I think the current gluten free thing is yet another food fad; I'm willing to bet that many (or most or all) who say they are "wheat sensitive" or "gluten sensitive" are self diagnosed, and their belief of this sensitivity is likely a variation on the placebo effect. I.e., it's all in their heads.
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    Jun 05, 2013 4:15 PM GMT
    Unintended saidKeeping the Paleo part aside, there is something to this regarding low-level inflammation. In addition, there is evidence suggest lectin stimulates leptin production in some and may contribute to obesity.



    Yes, it's pretty amazing when people who have been chronically ill for years with sinus infection, migraine headache, indigestion, aches and pains, and no energy clear out these symptoms in a month after going on a wheat free diet.
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    Jun 05, 2013 4:25 PM GMT
    MuchMoreThanMuscle said^ More "Paleo Diet Promotion" I see.

    Although it is true that lectins have been associated with crossing the gut barrier and getting into the blood, the longer you cook lectin containing foods the more you can destroy them. Beans cooked longer than their recommended cooking time have much less lectins.

    At the moment I don't have the time to look into how baking breads may or may not be effective enough in killing off lectins. But I'm guessing it's not as effective as, say, boiling beans in water.

    Also, I've mentioned in threads in the past that fermenting grains before properly cooking them (for longer than recommended cooking times) helps to decrease lectins substantially.



    It's so ironic that after one tries to "clean up" ones diet by eating whole grains, that aren't processed as much the result is actually worse than traditionally over processed food. Turns out it was over processed for a reason. A n example of that is the pellagra epidemic in the south in the early twentieth century. Non natives eating a new world food , corn, and not preparing it the traditional Native American way resulted in fatal niacin deficiency.

    "Pellagra was studied mostly in Europe until the late 19th century when it became an epidemic especially in the southern United States.[9] In the early 1900s, pellagra reached epidemic proportions in the American South. Between 1906 and 1940 more than 3 million Americans were affected by pellagra with more than 100,000 deaths, yet the epidemic resolved itself right after dietary niacin fortification.[10] Pellagra deaths in South Carolina numbered 1,306 during the first ten months of 1915; 100,000 Southerners were affected in 1916."
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    I'm just going to assume alpha13 has something to gain from promoting anything Paleo related. And if he doesn't then I'm rather concerned with his dedication to groupthink mentality that he can't express even a single iota of criticism toward the diet.
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    Jun 05, 2013 5:41 PM GMT
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    hairyandym saidWrong... Wheat now is not at all like the wheat of our ancestors. It is genetically modified (at best). Why do you think so many are Celiac.


    According to wikipedia's celiac entry, "Increasingly, diagnoses are being made in asymptomatic persons as a result of increased screening;[2] the condition is thought to affect between 1 in 1,750 and 1 in 105 people in the United States."

    1 in 100 would be 1% so what I'm reading is that it's between less than 1% and some very low percentage. I'd hardly call that "so many."

    I think the current gluten free thing is yet another food fad; I'm willing to bet that many (or most or all) who say they are "wheat sensitive" or "gluten sensitive" are self diagnosed, and their belief of this sensitivity is likely a variation on the placebo effect. I.e., it's all in their heads.


    I agree that some are 'self diagnosed', however I doubt it is a fad. Obviously you don't have any Gluten issues (lucky you). However I will try to convince my body that it is 'all in my head' and see if that compensates for how sick I become when Im exposed.
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    hairyandym said'no meat, fruit, vegetable, or grain is what our ancestors ate'
    huh? icon_confused.gif


    the paleo diet is based on the ridiculous notion that we should eat what our ancestors ate. but we have selectively bred and cultivated our food such that what we eat today is not what out ancestors ate-- sans things like insects and fish.


    Even fish can be screwed up such as by "fish farms" where they live in close proximity and are fed god only knows what.
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    Jun 05, 2013 6:12 PM GMT
    Alpha13 is so hot!!! Id eat anything of his... lol
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    Jun 05, 2013 7:05 PM GMT
    redsoxfan791 saidI'm just going to assume alpha13 has something to gain from promoting anything Paleo related. And if he doesn't then I'm rather concerned with his dedication to groupthink mentality that he can't express even a single iota of criticism toward the diet.



    I have tons of questions and doubts about the diet but I also had debilitating health problems that I was not willing to die for like my deceased friends did. I post seeking knowledge because if I had trusted conventional medicine I would be dead. Would you believe the leading neurologists at Stanford believed that exercise was bad for you?

    But if it is politically correct to believe in Darwinism then you can't not believe in Paleo diet to some degree. It's ironic when Christians are dissed for not believing in evolution but believing that our body evolved with the food supply is somehow seen as an exception to evolutionary theory by some .
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    Jun 05, 2013 9:05 PM GMT
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    redsoxfan791 saidI'm just going to assume alpha13 has something to gain from promoting anything Paleo related. And if he doesn't then I'm rather concerned with his dedication to groupthink mentality that he can't express even a single iota of criticism toward the diet.



    I have tons of questions and doubts about the diet but I also had debilitating health problems that I was not willing to die for like my deceased friends did. I post seeking knowledge because if I had trusted conventional medicine I would be dead. Would you believe the leading neurologists at Stanford believed that exercise was bad for you?

    But if it is politically correct to believe in Darwinism then you can't not believe in Paleo diet to some degree. It's ironic when Christians are dissed for not believing in evolution but believing that our body evolved with the food supply is somehow seen as an exception to evolutionary theory by some .


    My issues:

    1. You post all sorts of articles from pro-Paleo sites claiming that they're ironclad research, yet never post anything from any reputable research groups.

    2. The Paleo diet claims to be the caveman diet, yet doesn't take take into account the manner in which these foods were prepared. Take bacon, one of the cornerstone foods, for example. I'm just going to go ahead and guess that cavemen weren't frying bacon up as it soaks in bacon grease.

    3. Your health problems may have been caused by your previous diet, but they may have been fixed simply by eating healthier in general and not necessarily because you switched to the Paleo diet. You are making a massive leap based on a correlation without consulting other factors that may have played a role.

    4. I don't doubt that organic produce and meats, and limiting non-processed foods helps keep people healthier. What I doubt is that occasionally eating grains like wheat, rice, pasta, or consuming dairy is somehow toxic. The issue is that people don't know how to eat those foods in small doses. Moderation has been replaced by excess.

    5. The aura of superiority so many Paleo-lifers project whenever they talk to non-Paleo converts. It's nauseating.
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    Alpha13 said
    redsoxfan791 saidI'm just going to assume alpha13 has something to gain from promoting anything Paleo related. And if he doesn't then I'm rather concerned with his dedication to groupthink mentality that he can't express even a single iota of criticism toward the diet.



    I have tons of questions and doubts about the diet but I also had debilitating health problems that I was not willing to die for like my deceased friends did. I post seeking knowledge because if I had trusted conventional medicine I would be dead. Would you believe the leading neurologists at Stanford believed that exercise was bad for you?

    But if it is politically correct to believe in Darwinism then you can't not believe in Paleo diet to some degree. It's ironic when Christians are dissed for not believing in evolution but believing that our body evolved with the food supply is somehow seen as an exception to evolutionary theory by some .


    My issues:

    1. You post all sorts of articles from pro-Paleo sites claiming that they're ironclad research, yet never post anything from any reputable research groups.

    2. The Paleo diet claims to be the caveman diet, yet doesn't take take into account the manner in which these foods were prepared. Take bacon, one of the cornerstone foods, for example. I'm just going to go ahead and guess that cavemen weren't frying bacon up as it soaks in bacon grease.

    3. Your health problems may have been caused by your previous diet, but they may have been fixed simply by eating healthier in general and not necessarily because you switched to the Paleo diet. You are making a massive leap based on a correlation without consulting other factors that may have played a role.

    4. I don't doubt that organic produce and meats, and limiting non-processed foods helps keep people healthier. What I doubt is that occasionally eating grains like wheat, rice, pasta, or consuming dairy is somehow toxic. The issue is that people don't know how to eat those foods in small doses. Moderation has been replaced by excess.

    5. The aura of superiority so many Paleo-lifers project whenever they talk to non-Paleo converts. It's nauseating.



    All the " valid" Paleo research you want is out there. Now that Harvard has got hold of it, it's gonna be the " Harvard diet " and they play hard so it will be conventional wisdom in short order.

    It's really just Darwinism. Survival of the fittest. My friends are dead because they didnt learn soon enough that their diet was killing them. You can trace the fall of Rome to lead poisoning . They didnt realize that the invention of lead pipes was making them metality ill. I know someone that died of celiac and Robb Wolfe's ( The Paleo Solution) mom was on her death bed before a doctor finally realized that she was dying of a allergy to gluten.

    Bottom line . In October we are all gonna be our brothers keepers with Obama care and will be paying hard money for our brothers' addiction to 32 oz cokes washing down a bag of Doritos. Maybe you can feel righteous about that but I think it is a regretable use of resources.
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    Jun 06, 2013 12:26 AM GMT
    Alpha13 said
    redsoxfan791 said
    Alpha13 said
    redsoxfan791 saidI'm just going to assume alpha13 has something to gain from promoting anything Paleo related. And if he doesn't then I'm rather concerned with his dedication to groupthink mentality that he can't express even a single iota of criticism toward the diet.



    I have tons of questions and doubts about the diet but I also had debilitating health problems that I was not willing to die for like my deceased friends did. I post seeking knowledge because if I had trusted conventional medicine I would be dead. Would you believe the leading neurologists at Stanford believed that exercise was bad for you?

    But if it is politically correct to believe in Darwinism then you can't not believe in Paleo diet to some degree. It's ironic when Christians are dissed for not believing in evolution but believing that our body evolved with the food supply is somehow seen as an exception to evolutionary theory by some .


    My issues:

    1. You post all sorts of articles from pro-Paleo sites claiming that they're ironclad research, yet never post anything from any reputable research groups.

    2. The Paleo diet claims to be the caveman diet, yet doesn't take take into account the manner in which these foods were prepared. Take bacon, one of the cornerstone foods, for example. I'm just going to go ahead and guess that cavemen weren't frying bacon up as it soaks in bacon grease.

    3. Your health problems may have been caused by your previous diet, but they may have been fixed simply by eating healthier in general and not necessarily because you switched to the Paleo diet. You are making a massive leap based on a correlation without consulting other factors that may have played a role.

    4. I don't doubt that organic produce and meats, and limiting non-processed foods helps keep people healthier. What I doubt is that occasionally eating grains like wheat, rice, pasta, or consuming dairy is somehow toxic. The issue is that people don't know how to eat those foods in small doses. Moderation has been replaced by excess.

    5. The aura of superiority so many Paleo-lifers project whenever they talk to non-Paleo converts. It's nauseating.



    All the " valid" Paleo research you want is out there. Now that Harvard has got hold of it, it's gonna be the " Harvard diet " and they play hard so it will be conventional wisdom in short order.

    It's really just Darwinism. Survival of the fittest. My friends are dead because they didnt learn soon enough that their diet was killing them. You can trace the fall of Rome to lead poisoning . They didnt realize that the invention of lead pipes was making them metality ill. I know someone that died of celiac and Robb Wolfe's ( The Paleo Solution) mom was on her death bed before a doctor finally realized that she was dying of a allergy to gluten.

    Bottom line . In October we are all gonna be our brothers keepers with Obama care and will be paying hard money for our brothers' addiction to 32 oz cokes washing down a bag of Doritos. Maybe you can feel righteous about that but it pisses me off.


    replace french with science, and this is still what you sound like...

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    Jun 06, 2013 2:55 AM GMT
    I gave up wheat and sugar and feel great. I had inflammation going on definitely before in my intestines. Lost about 10 pounds too. Also I have to add. Since college days I have had eczema on my scalp. So itchy all the time. After taking probiotics and not eating wheat the eczema has gone away totally. When I eat sugar or wheat, it comes back. So this is proof that wheat can cause problems.
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    Jun 06, 2013 2:14 PM GMT
    paulflexes saidReading the forums on RJ has a higher heart attack risk than any food product.


    Love your new pic, Paul.