"If Roe vs Wade were overturned, the national abortion rate would fall by 14.9 percent"

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    Jun 05, 2013 3:32 PM GMT
    It's surprising. Most people seem to assume that abortions would no longer be an option and misinterpret the decision.

    http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/ideas/brainiac/2013/05/if_roe_were_ove.html
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    Jun 05, 2013 4:12 PM GMT
    According to the article, if Roe V Wade were overturned, the vast majority of women in states that prohibit abortions would travel to states where they are permitted. I don't see the point in overturning the decision and making women's choices any more difficult than they already have to be.... 1/3 of all women under 45 get at least one abortion, according to planned parenthood statistics, so we're talking about millions upon millions of women here. Men shouldn't try to force women into being baby making machines if they don't want to be. It's up to women to make their own reproductive choices.
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    Jun 05, 2013 4:50 PM GMT
    Aristoshark said
    it's never been about that, you know.

    What is it about?
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    Jun 05, 2013 4:58 PM GMT
    Unintended said
    HottJoe saidAccording to the article, if Roe V Wade were overturned, the vast majority of women in states that prohibit abortions would travel to states where they are permitted. I don't see the point in overturning the decision and making women's choices any more difficult than they already have to be.... 1/3 of all women under 45 get at least one abortion, according to planned parenthood statistics, so we're talking about millions upon millions of women here. Men shouldn't try to force women into being baby making machines if they don't want to be. It's up to women to make their own reproductive choices.


    I am adopted so this issue is very, very difficult for me. I see abortion as a last choice and if we, as a nation were truly concerned about the rights of the unborn, the following should be implemented:

    1) Sex education at the earliest possible age that is not muddled by religion preaching abstinence;

    2) Publicly provided birth control methods as part of a comprehensive national health care plan;

    3) The free availability of the morning after pill to anyone at any age without question;

    4) For those choosing to carry the baby, free health care (again as part of a comprehensive national plan) and incentives for the adopting families.

    Outlawing abortion does not change abortion rates -- it merely moves them to back room facilities that jeopardize the mother's life.


    My position is based on my belief that women's bodies shouldn't be governed by men. If women want to carry their babies to term and have them adopted then more power to them, but I'm against holding a gun to their heads and forcing them to have a pregnancy they don't want. I came to this position after listening to women who have had abortions. As I said, we're talking about 30,000,000 women in the U.S. who have had at least one. It would be absurd to treat women like criminals over their choice whether or not to be a mother.
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    Jun 05, 2013 4:59 PM GMT
    I view abortion like I view guns and drugs.

    People are going to find a way to obtain it regardless of its criminality.
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    Jun 05, 2013 5:02 PM GMT
    Everyone woman should be able to experience the joys of an aborsh.
  • HottJoe

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    Jun 05, 2013 5:06 PM GMT
    Import saidEveryone woman should be able to experience the joys of an aborsh.


    Well, a third of them do.
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    Jun 05, 2013 5:16 PM GMT
    If our country didn't stress abstinence only we could lower the amount of teenagers getting pregnant and the amount of abortions taking place.
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    Jun 05, 2013 5:51 PM GMT
    msuNdc saidIf our country didn't stress abstinence only we could lower the amount of teenagers getting pregnant and the amount of abortions taking place.

    Agreed.

    Comprehensive sex ed is the answer. Abstinence should still be presented as the best option, but the precautions should be presented should teens decide they want to have sex.
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    Jun 05, 2013 9:25 PM GMT
    libertpaulian said
    msuNdc saidIf our country didn't stress abstinence only we could lower the amount of teenagers getting pregnant and the amount of abortions taking place.

    Agreed.

    Comprehensive sex ed is the answer. Abstinence should still be presented as the best option, but the precautions should be presented should teens decide they want to have sex.


    Abstinence should be noted but the focus needs to be on safe sex. Why are we wasting money on sending kids to 2 weeks of telling them that sex is bad and to not do it. You can cover that in 5 minutes.
  • HottJoe

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    Jun 05, 2013 10:27 PM GMT
    Aristoshark said
    ART_DECO said
    Aristoshark said
    it's never been about that, you know.

    What is it about?

    The debate about abortion has always been a small part of the real issue---which is the conservatives' discomfort with women enjoying sex. In their universe, women are either mothers or sluts, and a lady (even a mom) isn't supposed to really enjoy sex. Because that makes her a whore.

    Notice all of the rhetoric around abortion and even contraception is focused on how she deserves what she gets. How abortion is used as a contraceptive. How contraceptives are actually a form of abortion.

    This is about the contempt they have for women and their need to try and control her person, sexually and (another topic entirely) financially as well.


    +1,000
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    Jun 06, 2013 1:12 AM GMT
    Geez, talk about projecting! Oy glavin.
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    Jun 06, 2013 1:46 AM GMT
    riddler78 said Most people seem to assume that abortions would no longer be an option and misinterpret the decision.


    How can reversing Roe v. Wade and the current Republican plan for ENDING ALL ABORTIONS be misinterpreted ?

    We aren't assuming " that abortions would no longer be an option ".

    Republican lawmakers are telling us clearly "that abortions would no longer be an option."


    Oh poor, naive riddler78, because of your innocence and goodness you see the Republicans as so non threatening. Either that, or you think we're stupid.
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    Jun 06, 2013 3:44 AM GMT
    i think they should end abstinence education, and just assign teen boys a gay partner to suck each other off daily til they are 25. would solve lots of problems.