Testosterone booster

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    Oct 30, 2008 1:09 PM GMT
    I just read today's article on steroids and would like to increase my testosterone production. I've heard of going to Mexico to get them as they are illegal here in US. Thanks and good day to you.
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    Oct 30, 2008 2:50 PM GMT
    You get Testosterone injections here in the states as well.... Check with your Dr.
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    Oct 30, 2008 2:58 PM GMT
    the_spartan saidI just read today's article on steroids and would like to increase my testosterone production.


    PRODUCTION of testosterone or replacement? Replacement is available for medical reasons, and I'm on a prescription for it now because my levels have dropped, apparently due to age.

    Not sure what's available to stimulate your own production of testosterone. I'd rather go that route myself, because I understand one of the side effects of replacement is that the testes in some men will atrophy, as their role becomes superseded by the hormone therapy. I don't wanna have little boy's balls.

    So I'd like to hear what's available, if anything, to stimulate production within my own testes, so those guys don't get left out of the loop. LOL!
  • Sparkycat

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    Oct 30, 2008 4:41 PM GMT
    Shrinking balls is a myth. I did one steroid cycle and had no shrinkage whatsovever. The shrinking myth is just one of the bogus reasons the anti-steroid crowd uses to discourage their use. Steroids are safe if you use then correctly. If you do roids or even testosterone for hormone replacement therapy you need to inject HCG (human chorionic gonadtrophin). It stimulates the testes to keep working normally. even though there is an external source of testosterone being injected. I used it - did not get it by prescription - and it worked just fine. My testes have not shrunk from the roids, but I used HCG as part of the post cycle therapy to make my tested start working at full speed again. You'll probably have trouble finding a doctor to prescribe it, as most doctors are flaming assholes with poor understanding of male hormone health.

    I'm not an expert. Just a guy who likes needles.
  • olden

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    Oct 30, 2008 5:08 PM GMT
    From years of life I have learned that nothing worthwhile comes easy. That is one of the problems I see in America today - the desire for instant gratification. You lose weight by taking in less calories than you expend. You gain strength through weight work. You gain endurance through cardio work. You learn by reading and listening to experts.

    There are no shortcuts to Life. It pretty much starts the same for all of us, and it pretty much ends the same for all of us. It is what we do with the middle part that matters, so don't F**K with your life.

    One of the writers says he has taken Testosterone for a cycle and then HGC to restart his internal Testosterone functions. That's like uppers and downers. The body is a wonderful machine. Left to its own devices it works well.

    I say keep things natural. There are natural ways to boost Testosterone - two articles in RJ tell you how.. I have followed the guidelines given there. Let me tell you - after a heart attack, quintuple bypass and implanted defibrillator, I am still functioning, fully functioning, and I plan to keep it that way.
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    Oct 30, 2008 5:13 PM GMT
    i used to get testosterone shots twice a day. it rocked i had the best energy i wasnt so tired all the time and well i was a rockstar
  • JohnG16775

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    Oct 30, 2008 7:06 PM GMT
    I am currently on prescription (Androgel) its working great. Love the energy and wood. :} ps I am healthcare provider and aware of the dangers but its worth it for me.
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    Oct 30, 2008 7:18 PM GMT
    Sparkycat saidShrinking balls is a myth. I did one steroid cycle and had no shrinkage whatsovever. The shrinking myth is just one of the bogus reasons the anti-steroid crowd uses to discourage their use. Steroids are safe if you use then correctly. If you do roids or even testosterone for hormone replacement therapy you need to inject HCG (human chorionic gonadtrophin). It stimulates the testes to keep working normally. even though there is an external source of testosterone being injected. I used it - did not get it by prescription - and it worked just fine. My testes have not shrunk from the roids, but I used HCG as part of the post cycle therapy to make my tested start working at full speed again. You'll probably have trouble finding a doctor to prescribe it, as most doctors are flaming assholes with poor understanding of male hormone health.

    I'm not an expert. Just a guy who likes needles.


    Actually without HCG they can shrink your testicles depending on how much you take. Arnolds old workout partner admits to now having balls the size of a pea, that is shrinkage. Also make sure you are safe when it comes to HCG because even though it does prevent shrinkage through mimicing your LH it also replaces your LH. LH is what tells your nuts to make testosterone so be careful when doing hormone therapy since it could desensitize your natural hormone.
  • shoelessj

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    Oct 31, 2008 12:30 AM GMT
    JohnG16775 saidI am currently on prescription (Androgel) its working great. Love the energy and wood. :} ps I am healthcare provider and aware of the dangers but its worth it for me.


    My doctor put me on it three weeks ago and once my [$200!!!] supply is finished i will not be buying any more. it hasn't done any of the wonders he spoke of -- working out hasn't gotten easier, i still have lots of road rage, bodyfat hasn't been affected, my overall mood hasn't improved. Except for the middle of the night woodies, there hasn't been much change. Sleeping has gotten easier, but for a lot less than $200 every six weeks or so i can get something for that, like melatonin.


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    Oct 31, 2008 12:34 AM GMT
    Get testim cream from the doc, you'll get more bang for your buck.
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    Oct 31, 2008 4:02 AM GMT
    flex89 saidGet testim cream from the doc, you'll get more bang for your buck.


    That's what I'm taking, rather expensive, and no results. Plus I always smell like cheap cologne from the scent of this topical gel.
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    Nov 02, 2008 5:06 PM GMT
    Red_Hussein_Vespa said
    flex89 saidGet testim cream from the doc, you'll get more bang for your buck.


    That's what I'm taking, rather expensive, and no results. Plus I always smell like cheap cologne from the scent of this topical gel.


    I know of two guys that get injectable testosterone prescribed by their doctor and only pay $10 for a supply that last them a good while. The problem with creams and pills is that you never truly know how much is being absorbed and it can vary on a daily basis.
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    Nov 03, 2008 12:10 PM GMT
    search for also tribulus terrestris products. it is not testosteron or steroid. it is a testosteron-booster.
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    Nov 17, 2008 8:50 AM GMT
    i had an allergic reaction to tribulus. worst thing ever. then a few years later i bought a nox supplement with tribulus in it and had the same thing happen. sucked. basically the stuff gives me cold symptoms from an allergy.

    i did some cursory research on ZMA. two papers at the national institutes of health show it does nothing. and the one study that showed it did something was on college age football players, most of whom stopped taking zma before the test period was over. sounds like you'd be better off spending your money on healthier foods than that stuff.
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    Nov 18, 2008 6:58 AM GMT
    I'm afraid that AZStreaker has provided you with some faulty information.

    Intense weight lifting, along with heavy exercise will LOWER your testosterone levels to near zero if you train to frequently. Weight training is way more intensive than most folks realize. Moderate exercise will raise it a bit, but, exercise with intensity will, in fact, lower it. (The Discovery Channel series about the Superhuman.)

    Testicular atrophy is a temporary effect, and subsides upon discontinuance. Most side effects of AAS / testosterone derivatives happen at very high dose levels, and are very managable. There's a lot of plain garbage floating around about side effects. In men, all side effects (if any) cease upon cessation of testosterone. Testosterone is, after all, natural to your body, and non-toxic, in any way, under about 5000 mg a week. (Typical doses for HRT would range from 200mg to 700mg a week, or even less, so....you'd have to be in the money to take that much...five grams.) A very high level competitive bodybuilder might take as high as 2000mg a weak in periods of heavy caloric intake, but, would often take much less. (Any qualified endo articles.)

    Some things, like DHEA, as well, are falsely believed to be a testosterone pre-cursor. In fact, DHEA acts more like estrogen in its method, if you research the matter. (University studies)

    I read tons of just plain bogus information on here. I encourage anyone giving advice to do research FIRST.

    To address Spartan's issue, after about age 28, or so (earlier in some folks, and a bit later in others) natural test levels decline. Men become more like women. Much of diseases of aging is now thought to be ratios between estrogen and testosterone, rather than testosterone itself. Testosterone has a wide array of positive effects, especially in middle age, and beyond.

    In this day and age, it's absolutely silly to not be on HRT therapy. Women have been doing it for decades, but under the premise of "the pill." Men decline on a more gradual curve, but, the benefits of AAS, and HRT, are widely known and documented, and are becoming more so as guys my age INSIST upon it. You'll find yourself protected from many diseases of aging, able to perform at a higher level sexually, and physically, enhanced recovery, less illness, and almost certainly will have a reduction in diseases of middle age, and require less medication (bp meds, cholesterol meds, etc.)

    I'd encourage you to go get a testosterone test. If it's low, you can get a compounded prescription for as little as $35.00 monthly. (It's silly to take a patented drug mix and pay $300.00, or more for it, monthly.)

    Millions of athletes, and thousands of HIV folks, can give you testimonial positive about the value of androgens.

    I'd stay away from the OTC (over the counter) junk, and head straight to the doctor, or black market.

    HRT will allow you to sustain a healthier, more active lifestyle for a longer period of time, and with a higher intensity than you could without supplements, and you'll enjoy enhanced mood, lower fat (one of the very most dangerous things), better sexual performance, and improved thought, vision, and BP. You should regard it like a vitamin regimen. Just part of your daily routine.

    If you really want to dig into it, you should view any of a number of serious muscle boards that contain a wealth of information on anti-aging and the chemically enhanced athlete.
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    Nov 18, 2008 7:47 AM GMT
    ARNOLD my governator says NO on STEROIDS .Who is a better authority on the matter. .
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    Nov 19, 2008 5:11 AM GMT
    chuckystud3 saidI'm afraid that AZStreaker has provided you with some faulty information.

    I don't think so. I think what I said works. I take a simple ZMA by twinlabs and I have more strength and more muscle gain than I have with out it. I also burn fat and my testosterone is up 20% from my last record.....so tell me what faulty info I gave?? STEROIDS WORK?? Yeah...they do and they will shrink your balls...look at yours!

    BTW...I do not lift weights. I do walking and hiking only. I do not over exercise and I keep my training light. My muscularity is genetic? Maybe...good living man!!


    My advise on keeping testosterone levels up is a natural methood. Some just like chemicals and will never get off them. Yes, I mean steroids. I never have used them thank marry!!

    I compiled my list from several good muscle mags and bodybuilder.com


    ZMA-Powerâ„¢


    Anabolic Mineral Support Formula

    ZMA is the only non-steroidal, all natural dietary supplement that is 100% clinically proven to increase Testosterone levels and increase strength in athletes. Increased muscle tissue growth and recovery can only be accomplished if your body is kept in an anabolic state for a considerable length of time. ZMA will help your body to stay in this anabolic state thereby increasing your body's overall lean muscle mass.



    In an eight week double blind, placebo controlled study with college football players, ZMA was found to increase total plasma testosterone levels by 32.4%, increase Insulin-Like Growth Factor by 3.6%, increase free testosterone levels by 33.5%, and increase muscle strength by 11.6%. This study is conclusive because the testosterone levels and IGF-1 levels actually dropped in the placebo group overnight, whereas with the ZMA group, it jumped considerably.



    Intense weight lifting, along with heavy exercise will LOWER your testosterone levels to near zero if you train to frequently. Weight training is way more intensive than most folks realize. Moderate exercise will raise it a bit, but, exercise with intensity will, in fact, lower it. (The Discovery Channel series about the Superhuman.)

    Testicular atrophy is a temporary effect, and subsides upon discontinuance. Most side effects of AAS / testosterone derivatives happen at very high dose levels, and are very managable. There's a lot of plain garbage floating around about side effects. In men, all side effects (if any) cease upon cessation of testosterone. Testosterone is, after all, natural to your body, and non-toxic, in any way, under about 5000 mg a week. (Typical doses for HRT would range from 200mg to 700mg a week, or even less, so....you'd have to be in the money to take that much...five grams.) A very high level competitive bodybuilder might take as high as 2000mg a weak in periods of heavy caloric intake, but, would often take much less. (Any qualified endo articles.)

    Some things, like DHEA, as well, are falsely believed to be a testosterone pre-cursor. In fact, DHEA acts more like estrogen in its method, if you research the matter. (University studies)

    I read tons of just plain bogus information on here. I encourage anyone giving advice to do research FIRST.

    To address Spartan's issue, after about age 28, or so (earlier in some folks, and a bit later in others) natural test levels decline. Men become more like women. Much of diseases of aging is now thought to be ratios between estrogen and testosterone, rather than testosterone itself. Testosterone has a wide array of positive effects, especially in middle age, and beyond.

    In this day and age, it's absolutely silly to not be on HRT therapy. Women have been doing it for decades, but under the premise of "the pill." Men decline on a more gradual curve, but, the benefits of AAS, and HRT, are widely known and documented, and are becoming more so as guys my age INSIST upon it. You'll find yourself protected from many diseases of aging, able to perform at a higher level sexually, and physically, enhanced recovery, less illness, and almost certainly will have a reduction in diseases of middle age, and require less medication (bp meds, cholesterol meds, etc.)

    I'd encourage you to go get a testosterone test. If it's low, you can get a compounded prescription for as little as $35.00 monthly. (It's silly to take a patented drug mix and pay $300.00, or more for it, monthly.)

    Millions of athletes, and thousands of HIV folks, can give you testimonial positive about the value of androgens.

    I'd stay away from the OTC (over the counter) junk, and head straight to the doctor, or black market.

    HRT will allow you to sustain a healthier, more active lifestyle for a longer period of time, and with a higher intensity than you could without supplements, and you'll enjoy enhanced mood, lower fat (one of the very most dangerous things), better sexual performance, and improved thought, vision, and BP. You should regard it like a vitamin regimen. Just part of your daily routine.

    If you really want to dig into it, you should view any of a number of serious muscle boards that contain a wealth of information on anti-aging and the chemically enhanced athlete.
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    Nov 19, 2008 5:13 AM GMT
    The personal attacks are typical of an individual that is not clear-thinking, and show a lack of depth of character. So be it. I've come to expect it from some folks.

    You make my point for me, about you being in error.

    Research this yourself. This is all very well documented. If you feel the single ZMA studies invalidates all the rest (like God exists, etc,, and so on), then, so be it, but, science is science. Go watch The Discovery Channel series on this if you wish.

    Intense weight lifting, along with heavy exercise will LOWER your testosterone levels to near zero if you train to frequently. Weight training is way more intensive than most folks realize. Moderate exercise will raise it a bit, but, exercise with intensity will, in fact, lower it. (The Discovery Channel series about the Superhuman.)

    I made no reference to ZMA, or its efficacy, if you re-read what I wrote. Before you begin a personal attack, engage your brain, FIRST.

    If you have a modicum of decorum, surely, you'll understand your error.

    I also said....after about age 28, or so (earlier in some folks, and a bit later in others) natural test levels decline. Men become more like women. Much of diseases of aging is now thought to be ratios between estrogen and testosterone, rather than testosterone itself. Testosterone has a wide array of positive effects, especially in middle age, and beyond.

    That's also true, and you ranted about wanting to be "natural." Clearly, testosterone is natural, and clearly its good medicine. Why do you think it is that women receive estrogen? Gosh.

    Again, I encourage you to research the matter further, to form a more fully informed opinion. Search your favorite search engine for "anti-aging" and "geriatric endocrinology". Clearly, its silly to suffer from diseases of aging, and to be medicated unnecessarily when hormonal manipulation stops those issues dead in their tracks.
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    Nov 19, 2008 5:21 AM GMT
    chuckystud3 saidThe personal attacks are typical of an individual that is not clear-thinking.

    You make my point for me.


    My thinking is so clear and basic. That's why I challenge yours.

    Nothing personal. I simply asked to check your ball shrinkage....

    My point is also well documented...so that's what I gave

    Good luck on all your muscle mass...

    You attacked me first saying I gave faulty info...when in fact I have not. I have given all things that have been scientifically proven to increase testosterone naturally. Something that some hate to believe...it works for me and I guess if you have your artificial stuff..good for you!!

    Well then, why not be specific and tell me exactly what your condemning me for. I listed a few things!!
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    Nov 19, 2008 5:26 AM GMT
    Azstreaker's what people in the forums community like to call a "flamer" LOL
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    Nov 19, 2008 5:28 AM GMT
    I'm sorry that you have such a fragile ego.

    Quoting what you wrote:
    "It's simple...there are many things you can do to increase your testosterone naturally.

    1. Work out more..Walking, Biking, Weight training...etc.".

    That's simply not true. Intense weight training LOWERS your testosterone.

    I won't banter it further with you. Obviously, you refuse any insight, other than your own.

    I will not lower myself to your level of decorum.
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    Nov 19, 2008 5:28 AM GMT
    flex89 saidAzstreaker's what people in the forums community like to call a "flamer" LOL


    Not really. I am far from that. I just said to check your balls!! lol

    Perhaps we should start a new post.....

    Natural Vs. Unnatural?

    Maybe take a poll.....

    real jock or some super artificial made up of chemicals.

    LOL..Keep it up you'll be sagging soon like your god Arnold.

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    Nov 19, 2008 5:32 AM GMT
    Well entertain us by pulling your head out of your ass and giving us a demonstration icon_biggrin.gif
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    Nov 19, 2008 5:34 AM GMT
    chuckystud3 saidI'm sorry that you have such a fragile ego.

    Quoting what you wrote:
    "It's simple...there are many things you can do to increase your testosterone naturally.

    1. Work out more..Walking, Biking, Weight training...etc.".

    That's simply not true. Intense weight training LOWERS your testosterone.

    I won't banter it further with you. Obviously, you refuse any insight, other than your own.

    I will not lower myself to your level of decorum.


    I mentioned working out "more" for those who don't work out at all. I think that may haven been where you misunderstood me. I think many dudes think if they walk the dog that's enough. I do feel that if people increased their cardio they would increase hormones naturally. My ego....just from my own personal view of things and success.

    I mentioned NOTHING about MAKING IT "INTENSE"!!! Maybe more than 20 min of dog walking!! That's all....so don't put words into the deal that I did not...

    I didn't mean to offend you. Sorry if I did. I do think men should worry about ball shrinkage if they use steroids!!


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    Nov 19, 2008 5:37 AM GMT
    On a completely unrelated topic, I was just reading that hypertension also lowers your endogenous testosterone...