Being out of the closet is overrated sometimes

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    I'm not ashamed to be gay at all but sometimes I feel like this push to come out is a little overrated. I mean I get it and I know visibility has power but I just wish we didn't treat people so cruelly when they came out of the closet. I mean yeah for a while everyone is patting them oh the back for being honest but damn some gays can be cruel. I mean downright vicious and it doesn't always have to do with appearance.

    Apparently there's this unspoken rule that we all now have to live at the gym and talk like a character from Laguna Beach. Part of me is just venting but another part of me is really fucking sickened. I really don't like how people who aren't buying into this whole package that your modern gay man is no different than your straight man are vilified. Hell yes we are different and luckily there are a lot of us who recognize that. If I hear one more person say 'well being gay shouldn't be that much of who someone is' or 'being gay shouldn't be an identity' I will scream.

    Unfortunately until some ignorant people either die or change their minds being gay is more than just who you are attracted to. It is a damn identity because just like being black or Asian or hell even a particular religion people are going to treat you differently because of who you are. In my opinion any attempts to whitewash your gayness away is just self loathing. And yet you'd be surprised how many people don't get it. And no I'm not speaking because I'm bitter because I'm always bitter about everything so all things are on an equal playing field with me. No I'm upset because everytime I see a gay person put a conscious effort into 'not looking gay' I cringe.

    And we all know the types. Half of these guys on RJ have the bodies they have because 1) they want to look more masculine (this in and of itself is fine) and/or 2) don't want to be identified as looking your typical gay. I'm not even gonna buy the adage you become what you want to attract cause of the gay men I see online and most of the ones I know in person are single and perpetually so. This beyond saying they are straight acting. This is going into a concerted effort to not be effeminate or whatever you consider 'gay'. Look my name is not 'bro' or 'bra' or 'guy' or 'dude' or 'man' or hell if you're bold 'nigga'. If you don't know it I will give you a pass but damnit I am so sick of every third and fourth being a dude or a bro.

    I am tired of these league of gay men swimming in a sea of Ax body spray and stop fucking asking me what goddamn supplements I take five minutes into the conversation. Be yourself and whoever that person is embrace it. You're trying to put on an image that was not meant for you. This 'straight' persona is meant to draw in women and it does. Do you want women? No? Then stop acting like you do! Sure you may attract other gay men who are trying to pull the same straight acting shit as you but can you seriously tell me how many gay couples you know where both guys are Alpha males or at least trying to act like it?

    In gay media both fictional and nonfictional we see gay couples together and oftentimes they don't play to the standard masc/fem trope we are told is what we are so we assume that must mean both men are putting forth a non traditionally gay image. That is not always the case. We all can tell the difference between a man who is naturally just being himself and someone who is pretending to be something else. And whoever you happen to be I want you to truthfully be that person. You get into some serious identity issues when you construct a personality and an image to combat stereotypes and ill formed perceptions about people like you. You will lose yourself in the shuffle.

    So what if you look like a GQ model but you're the queeniest bitch in the business? Who cares if you're twinkish but you're a fucking type A personality with a butch persona to boot? Why should you care what people think about who you are? Now I'm an insecure person in many respects but I truly do not give a shit about people who disagree with me being fem. I disagree with them being an asshole. But I do get annoyed when people try to make THEIR issues MY problem.

    Personally I get tired of being told that I'm too fat, not into the right workout plan, too fem, too tall, not educated enough, not having enough money, etc. I mean I get it I make you wanna gag. Do you have to be such an ass about it?

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    Jun 05, 2013 10:14 PM GMT
    Most of the gays I know don't go to the gym or do any form of exercise lol

    Some gay men are really cruel and bitter though, I agree with that. A lot of them are just downright rude, making mean comments.
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    Tombo saidMost of the gays I know don't go to the gym or do any form of exercise lol

    Some gay men are really cruel and bitter though, I agree with that. A lot of them are just downright rude, making mean comments.


    Some people are just downright vicious.
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    Jun 06, 2013 4:31 AM GMT
    QUOTE AUTHOR GOES HEREApparently there's this unspoken rule that we all now have to live at the gym and talk like a character from Laguna Beach. Part of me is just venting but another part of me is really fucking sickened. I really don't like how people who aren't buying into this whole package that your modern gay man is no different than your straight man are vilified. Hell yes we are different and luckily there are a lot of us who recognize that. If I hear one more person say 'well being gay shouldn't be that much of who someone is' or 'being gay shouldn't be an identity' I will scream.

    Unfortunately until some ignorant people either die or change their minds being gay is more than just who you are attracted to. It is a damn identity because just like being black or Asian or hell even a particular religion people are going to treat you differently because of who you are. In my opinion any attempts to whitewash your gayness away is just self loathing. And yet you'd be surprised how many people don't get it. And no I'm not speaking because I'm bitter because I'm always bitter about everything so all things are on an equal playing field with me. No I'm upset because everytime I see a gay person put a conscious effort into 'not looking gay' I cringe.


    Honestly, i think you should speak for yourself only because you have no idea what other gay men are like. I am sorry to hear that you've had lousy experiences with people who tried to force you to be someone you are not, even as you came out of the closet. But if you were more open-minded, then you would know that there are plenty of gay men out there who do not let their sexuality define them.

    Opinions like yours undo all the efforts that have been made to show people that being gay is only the question of sexual preference. Sure, there are bigoted people out there who will treat you differently as soon as you come out to them. But there are also others who give the same level of trust and doubts to people of all sexual orientations.

    If you really think that members here work out to 1) prove their masculinity and/or 2) look heterosexual, you clearly have met only the tiny fraction of members here who are as lost and close-minded as you are.

    Yes, you should definitely be who you are and what you aspire to be. But the truth is, whether if you are straight or gay, people will still judge you for being skinny/fat/too tall/too short/etc. Your sexual orientation only determines whether if you would rather suck a dick or eat out a pussy; what makes up the rest of your identity is completely up to you. But if you would rather give most of that power to your sexual orientation and the "ideals" that come along with it, then, by all means, go ahead. Just don't go around telling others your false idea of what a gay man is like.
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    QUOTE AUTHOR GOES HEREApparently there's this unspoken rule that we all now have to live at the gym and talk like a character from Laguna Beach. Part of me is just venting but another part of me is really fucking sickened. I really don't like how people who aren't buying into this whole package that your modern gay man is no different than your straight man are vilified. Hell yes we are different and luckily there are a lot of us who recognize that. If I hear one more person say 'well being gay shouldn't be that much of who someone is' or 'being gay shouldn't be an identity' I will scream.

    Unfortunately until some ignorant people either die or change their minds being gay is more than just who you are attracted to. It is a damn identity because just like being black or Asian or hell even a particular religion people are going to treat you differently because of who you are. In my opinion any attempts to whitewash your gayness away is just self loathing. And yet you'd be surprised how many people don't get it. And no I'm not speaking because I'm bitter because I'm always bitter about everything so all things are on an equal playing field with me. No I'm upset because everytime I see a gay person put a conscious effort into 'not looking gay' I cringe.


    Honestly, i think you should speak for yourself only because you have no idea what other gay men are like. I am sorry to hear that you've had lousy experiences with people who tried to force you to be someone you are not, even as you came out of the closet. But if you were more open-minded, then you would know that there are plenty of gay men out there who do not let their sexuality define them.

    Opinions like yours undo all the efforts that have been made to show people that being gay is only the question of sexual preference. Sure, there are bigoted people out there who will treat you differently as soon as you come out to them. But there are also others who give the same level of trust and doubts to people of all sexual orientations.


    Thank you for missing the point. My point is that there is way too many guys who fit what I've described as what many gay men are like and I'm not the only one. Read around and you'll see a lot of people are complaining about this.
  • JohnDoe9688

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    Jun 06, 2013 4:49 AM GMT
    I have to disagree with your point on how being Gay is some kind of major identity. I don't feel that way at all. There are things I've done, seen, created even in life that I am so extremely proud of, and the qualities in me that allowed those events to happen THOSE make up my identity. THOSE define who I am as a person. I like dudes, and its not the norm, I get that, but like...one of my favorite foods is Brussel sprouts with spicy brown mustard, and that's not the norm either. And I know its a silly analogy but I honestly feel like my homosexuality is as much of a big deal as that little tidbit.
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    Jun 06, 2013 4:50 AM GMT
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    stevee90 said
    QUOTE AUTHOR GOES HEREApparently there's this unspoken rule that we all now have to live at the gym and talk like a character from Laguna Beach. Part of me is just venting but another part of me is really fucking sickened. I really don't like how people who aren't buying into this whole package that your modern gay man is no different than your straight man are vilified. Hell yes we are different and luckily there are a lot of us who recognize that. If I hear one more person say 'well being gay shouldn't be that much of who someone is' or 'being gay shouldn't be an identity' I will scream.

    Unfortunately until some ignorant people either die or change their minds being gay is more than just who you are attracted to. It is a damn identity because just like being black or Asian or hell even a particular religion people are going to treat you differently because of who you are. In my opinion any attempts to whitewash your gayness away is just self loathing. And yet you'd be surprised how many people don't get it. And no I'm not speaking because I'm bitter because I'm always bitter about everything so all things are on an equal playing field with me. No I'm upset because everytime I see a gay person put a conscious effort into 'not looking gay' I cringe.


    Honestly, i think you should speak for yourself only because you have no idea what other gay men are like. I am sorry to hear that you've had lousy experiences with people who tried to force you to be someone you are not, even as you came out of the closet. But if you were more open-minded, then you would know that there are plenty of gay men out there who do not let their sexuality define them.

    Opinions like yours undo all the efforts that have been made to show people that being gay is only the question of sexual preference. Sure, there are bigoted people out there who will treat you differently as soon as you come out to them. But there are also others who give the same level of trust and doubts to people of all sexual orientations.


    Thank you for missing the point. My point is that there is way too many guys who fit what I've described as what many gay men are like and I'm not the only one. Read around and you'll see a lot of people are complaining about this.


    The only people I see complaining about this are people who spend too much time searching for things in a place and in a manner that will get them nowhere close to what they want. The saddest truth about websites like this is that often the best people you'd ideally want to be friends with are too busy socializing with the good people they've attracted with their own appeal to be making hopeless complaints online.
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    MisfitToy saidI'm not ashamed to be gay at all but sometimes I feel like this push to come out is a little overrated.

    I dunno, I got kinda confused and lost in all that. You're all over the map. Could you possibly please condense & summarize, maybe with bullets? icon_confused.gif
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    Jun 06, 2013 4:55 AM GMT
    Being out of the closet is a convenient way to learn the true reason why equal rights hasn't been granted yet...it's because the closeted and self-loathing gays keep voting against the rest of us.
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    "Hurt people hurt people".
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    MisfitToy saidI'm not ashamed to be gay at all but sometimes I feel like this push to come out is a little overrated. I mean I get it and I know visibility has power but I just wish we didn't treat people so cruelly when they came out of the closet. I mean yeah for a while everyone is patting them oh the back for being honest but damn some gays can be cruel. I mean downright vicious and it doesn't always have to do with appearance.

    Apparently there's this unspoken rule that we all now have to live at the gym and talk like a character from Laguna Beach. Part of me is just venting but another part of me is really fucking sickened. I really don't like how people who aren't buying into this whole package that your modern gay man is no different than your straight man are vilified. Hell yes we are different and luckily there are a lot of us who recognize that. If I hear one more person say 'well being gay shouldn't be that much of who someone is' or 'being gay shouldn't be an identity' I will scream.

    Unfortunately until some ignorant people either die or change their minds being gay is more than just who you are attracted to. It is a damn identity because just like being black or Asian or hell even a particular religion people are going to treat you differently because of who you are. In my opinion any attempts to whitewash your gayness away is just self loathing. And yet you'd be surprised how many people don't get it. And no I'm not speaking because I'm bitter because I'm always bitter about everything so all things are on an equal playing field with me. No I'm upset because everytime I see a gay person put a conscious effort into 'not looking gay' I cringe.

    And we all know the types. Half of these guys on RJ have the bodies they have because 1) they want to look more masculine (this in and of itself is fine) and/or 2) don't want to be identified as looking your typical gay. I'm not even gonna buy the adage you become what you want to attract cause of the gay men I see online and most of the ones I know in person are single and perpetually so. This beyond saying they are straight acting. This is going into a concerted effort to not be effeminate or whatever you consider 'gay'. Look my name is not 'bro' or 'bra' or 'guy' or 'dude' or 'man' or hell if you're bold 'nigga'. If you don't know it I will give you a pass but damnit I am so sick of every third and fourth being a dude or a bro.

    I am tired of these league of gay men swimming in a sea of Ax body spray and stop fucking asking me what goddamn supplements I take five minutes into the conversation. Be yourself and whoever that person is embrace it. You're trying to put on an image that was not meant for you. This 'straight' persona is meant to draw in women and it does. Do you want women? No? Then stop acting like you do! Sure you may attract other gay men who are trying to pull the same straight acting shit as you but can you seriously tell me how many gay couples you know where both guys are Alpha males or at least trying to act like it?

    In gay media both fictional and nonfictional we see gay couples together and oftentimes they don't play to the standard masc/fem trope we are told is what we are so we assume that must mean both men are putting forth a non traditionally gay image. That is not always the case. We all can tell the difference between a man who is naturally just being himself and someone who is pretending to be something else. And whoever you happen to be I want you to truthfully be that person. You get into some serious identity issues when you construct a personality and an image to combat stereotypes and ill formed perceptions about people like you. You will lose yourself in the shuffle.

    So what if you look like a GQ model but you're the queeniest bitch in the business? Who cares if you're twinkish but you're a fucking type A personality with a butch persona to boot? Why should you care what people think about who you are? Now I'm an insecure person in many respects but I truly do not give a shit about people who disagree with me being fem. I disagree with them being an asshole. But I do get annoyed when people try to make THEIR issues MY problem.

    Personally I get tired of being told that I'm too fat, not into the right workout plan, too fem, too tall, not educated enough, not having enough money, etc. I mean I get it I make you wanna gag. Do you have to be such an ass about it?


    A lot of what you're saying is true, but a lot of what your saying is blown out of proportion. You can't just put all gay people in a box. You have to look at people as individuals and not judge people because of their sexuality. You're on a fitness site so obviously people here are concerned about appearance and looking good. That doesn't mean every gay person is like that and if I'd have to bet, I'd say that the majority of gay guys aren't into building up their bodies to look more masculine.
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    Jun 08, 2013 5:43 AM GMT
    MisfitToy saidI'm not ashamed to be gay at all but sometimes I feel like this push to come out is a little overrated. I mean I get it and I know visibility has power but I just wish we didn't treat people so cruelly when they came out of the closet. I mean yeah for a while everyone is patting them oh the back for being honest but damn some gays can be cruel. I mean downright vicious and it doesn't always have to do with appearance.

    Apparently there's this unspoken rule that we all now have to live at the gym and talk like a character from Laguna Beach. Part of me is just venting but another part of me is really fucking sickened. I really don't like how people who aren't buying into this whole package that your modern gay man is no different than your straight man are vilified. Hell yes we are different and luckily there are a lot of us who recognize that. If I hear one more person say 'well being gay shouldn't be that much of who someone is' or 'being gay shouldn't be an identity' I will scream.

    Unfortunately until some ignorant people either die or change their minds being gay is more than just who you are attracted to. It is a damn identity because just like being black or Asian or hell even a particular religion people are going to treat you differently because of who you are. In my opinion any attempts to whitewash your gayness away is just self loathing. And yet you'd be surprised how many people don't get it. And no I'm not speaking because I'm bitter because I'm always bitter about everything so all things are on an equal playing field with me. No I'm upset because everytime I see a gay person put a conscious effort into 'not looking gay' I cringe.

    And we all know the types. Half of these guys on RJ have the bodies they have because 1) they want to look more masculine (this in and of itself is fine) and/or 2) don't want to be identified as looking your typical gay. I'm not even gonna buy the adage you become what you want to attract cause of the gay men I see online and most of the ones I know in person are single and perpetually so. This beyond saying they are straight acting. This is going into a concerted effort to not be effeminate or whatever you consider 'gay'. Look my name is not 'bro' or 'bra' or 'guy' or 'dude' or 'man' or hell if you're bold 'nigga'. If you don't know it I will give you a pass but damnit I am so sick of every third and fourth being a dude or a bro.

    I am tired of these league of gay men swimming in a sea of Ax body spray and stop fucking asking me what goddamn supplements I take five minutes into the conversation. Be yourself and whoever that person is embrace it. You're trying to put on an image that was not meant for you. This 'straight' persona is meant to draw in women and it does. Do you want women? No? Then stop acting like you do! Sure you may attract other gay men who are trying to pull the same straight acting shit as you but can you seriously tell me how many gay couples you know where both guys are Alpha males or at least trying to act like it?

    In gay media both fictional and nonfictional we see gay couples together and oftentimes they don't play to the standard masc/fem trope we are told is what we are so we assume that must mean both men are putting forth a non traditionally gay image. That is not always the case. We all can tell the difference between a man who is naturally just being himself and someone who is pretending to be something else. And whoever you happen to be I want you to truthfully be that person. You get into some serious identity issues when you construct a personality and an image to combat stereotypes and ill formed perceptions about people like you. You will lose yourself in the shuffle.

    So what if you look like a GQ model but you're the queeniest bitch in the business? Who cares if you're twinkish but you're a fucking type A personality with a butch persona to boot? Why should you care what people think about who you are? Now I'm an insecure person in many respects but I truly do not give a shit about people who disagree with me being fem. I disagree with them being an asshole. But I do get annoyed when people try to make THEIR issues MY problem.

    Personally I get tired of being told that I'm too fat, not into the right workout plan, too fem, too tall, not educated enough, not having enough money, etc. I mean I get it I make you wanna gag. Do you have to be such an ass about it?



    I'm kind of confused at the point you're trying to get across with your post. What are u saying? You're saying you don't want to be out of the closet, then you mention how sexuality must be self-identifying. Sounds kind of contradictory, don't you think? If you don't want to be out, then why would you want to self-identify as gay?icon_confused.gif

    Anyway, no, there are many types of gay guys that don't necessarily agree with your view of them. I don't believe sexuality has to be defining. That doesn't mean I'm trying to hide "the gay" in me, but I'm just trying to be rather than flaunt it. It's just who I am, but nothing more. I don't have to show anything to prove I'm gay; I know I just am. You don't have to wear it on your sleeve or act a certain way to be gay. Just be you.

    I think the problem with most gay men is that they feel they need to self-identify as gay in front of people. It's like they feel like they need to oppress straight men so they need to talk differently, act differently, dress differently, in order to show they're part of some gay alliance. What that's doing is just isolating you guys from straight men, who, despite what you might think, aren't all bad ppl. You need to allow yourself to be more open-minded and accept other types as well. The important thing is just be yourself. If you are feminine or prefer to see yourself that way, then camp it up, but it seems too many guys are trying to be more fem/masc than they really are thinking that it's the way they have to be because they're gay. Gay guys don't have to be any different from straight guys in persona.
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    GET real OP didn't read it but you look gay.

    be proud and I just know your gotta lisp or drawl mate

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    Jun 08, 2013 6:09 AM GMT
    Hey man. I've noticed in some of the race threads some of our own brothers attacked your looks because of your stance on the issue. I felt bad for you. I just wanted you to hang in there and know that all of your idiosyncrasies add up to one great, wonderfully complex guy. At the rate you're going , pretty soon you'll be the fittest guy on here. Besides, you're one of the few reasons why I haven't closed my account when I wanted to.

    Keep ya head up baby brother.
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    Jun 08, 2013 6:16 AM GMT
    i dont for a second buy that " it gets better " BS ...ugh propaganda



    gay guys in general can make things shitty enough all by themselves without even having to complicate it with homophobic straight people, yes i have seen the savage spewing on this site and i was quite surprised this has been coming from people trying to call themselves " real jocks ", i dont remember this bitchyness in gymnastics or yoga, or martial arts or soccer or any of the sports that i've ever been involved with, gay men please get it together
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    Honestly dude, you have more issues than anyone. You are doing okay with your weight loss, but you can do a lot better. We have been over this many times. We tell you to stop looking for someone and you get upset when you don't have anyone within a few days.

    You joined a website entitled "Real Jock". What did you expect when you joined?

    Your issues aren't with the fact you are gay. Your issues are with the fact that you are 100% superficial and not a skinny white blonde female.
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    AND ratt he so wants to my bitch!! LOL
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    Jun 08, 2013 2:26 PM GMT
    RadRTT saidHonestly dude, you have more issues than anyone. You are doing okay with your weight loss, but you can do a lot better. We have been over this many times. We tell you to stop looking for someone and you get upset when you don't have anyone within a few days.

    You joined a website entitled "Real Jock". What did you expect when you joined?

    Your issues aren't with the fact you are gay. Your issues are with the fact that you are 100% superficial and not a skinny white blonde female.

    What do you expect? When sure when he came out he read the same message that's ALL gay men regardless of race, creed, size, or color are to worship at the alter of the great Blonde Abercrombian Adonis God. He's just doing what society instructed him to do.
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    On the subject of being gay and a person's identity..

    I don't believe that my liking for cock is the only factor that determines my sexuality. I believe thatI long to share my life intimately with men on the level of an inter-personal connection more than friendship. It's not just about sex for me. I love how men think!

    But, at the same time, my sexuality is a part of my identity, but by far the be-all and end-all. It's not something I'm proud of, as such. I proud of my achievements; the relationships I've formed, the music I create, my professional work-place skills that I have taught myself.

    George Carlin made this comment about national pride, but I think it can just as easily relate to my feelings about "gay pride". Incidentally, it's how I do feel about national pride...
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    MisfitToy saidI'm not ashamed to be gay at all but sometimes I feel like this push to come out is a little overrated...Apparently there's this unspoken rule that we all now have to live at the gym and talk like a character from Laguna Beach... Unfortunately until some ignorant people either die or change their minds being gay is more than just who you are attracted to... In my opinion any attempts to whitewash your gayness away is just self loathing... Half of these guys on RJ have the bodies they have because ...[they] don't want to be identified as looking your typical gay...Personally I get tired of being told that I'm too fat, not into the right workout plan, too fem, too tall, not educated enough, not having enough money, etc. I mean I get it I make you wanna gag. Do you have to be such an ass about it?


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    Myol said"Hurt people hurt people".


    VERY TRUE!!!
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    JohnDoe9688 saidI have to disagree with your point on how being Gay is some kind of major identity. I don't feel that way at all. There are things I've done, seen, created even in life that I am so extremely proud of, and the qualities in me that allowed those events to happen THOSE make up my identity. THOSE define who I am as a person. I like dudes, and its not the norm, I get that, but like...one of my favorite foods is Brussel sprouts with spicy brown mustard, and that's not the norm either. And I know its a silly analogy but I honestly feel like my homosexuality is as much of a big deal as that little tidbit.

    In the grand scheme of things that might be right, however, on RJ, it is the one thing that we all have in common. And it is the Only thing. It's a pretty big eye opener to realize that there are so many guys on here I have nothing in common with, except, being gay.

    It is among other gay men that many feel so miserable, because they don't feel accepted. For one when they come out, they need to develop a thick skin,
    #2 accept themselves, their desires and others for what they are
    #3 let go of preconceived notions (ie. masculinity and femininity) which can be difficult because of how gay men are presented in the media and what is "hot" right now and that you can change someone to fit your ideals.
    #4 be open to meet others. I found that making friends on here is difficult, because you only see what someone looks like in carefully selected pics and what he writes in the threads (or chat).
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    MadeinMich saidHey man. I've noticed in some of the race threads some of our own brothers attacked your looks because of your stance on the issue. I felt bad for you. I just wanted you to hang in there and know that all of your idiosyncrasies add up to one great, wonderfully complex guy. At the rate you're going , pretty soon you'll be the fittest guy on here. Besides, you're one of the few reasons why I haven't closed my account when I wanted to.

    Keep ya head up baby brother.


    Aw thanks.