Global Divide on Homosexuality Acceptance

  • AMoonHawk

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    Jun 07, 2013 3:51 AM GMT
    http://www.pewglobal.org/2013/06/04/the-global-divide-on-homosexuality/

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    Jun 07, 2013 4:15 AM GMT
    More like a map of Islamic culture and it somehow missed India ( a billion people)!
  • AMoonHawk

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    Jun 07, 2013 4:28 AM GMT
    Alpha13 saidMore like a map of Islamic culture and it somehow missed India ( a billion people)!

    Oh ... I'm pretty sure India is in the hate zone
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    Jun 07, 2013 4:30 AM GMT
    Alpha13 saidMore like a map of Islamic culture and it somehow missed India ( a billion people)!


    Yeah, I was thinking the exact same thing about India lol. Brazil at only 60%... and Greece barely above 50%...yeah ok....
  • NickoftheNort...

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    Jun 07, 2013 6:29 AM GMT
    The article mentions India's exclusion in a footnote: "Results for India are not reported due to concerns about the survey’s administration in the field."

    Rather than a "map of Islamic culture," it looks like a map of economic development and possibly a map of urbanization (percentage of population living in urban centers or their immediate environment). Most of the African states included in the survey are noted for their Christian populations (Uganda, Ghana, and Kenya are predominantly Christian; Nigeria has approximately a 50/50 split between Christians and Muslims; Senegal is predominantly Muslim).

    The divide is notable for having recently come about. The survey mentions the increase in acceptance in the past decade, but it should be noted that acceptance of lesbian and gay persons has dramatically increased in many of these countries over the past few decades. To expect the whole world to uniformly change in its attitudes would be a tall order.
  • drypin

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    Jun 07, 2013 6:48 AM GMT
    These snap shots are fun to look at and it's rewarding to see that so much progress has been made, but I think the diachronic results are far more telling. I'm interested in which direction we're going in around the world.
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    Jun 07, 2013 9:03 AM GMT
    Well it doesn't really surprised me that much. It looks like the US, Canada, most of Western countries in Europe and Latin/America and parts of Asia are accepting of gay marriages. Yay !!!! Yeah it is hopeless for Africa and the Middle East.

    I read somewhere that Vietnam is proposing a provisional amendment change to their marriage law in this coming July ! Lol, it'd be cool to see Vietnam pass a gay marriage law over there. icon_biggrin.gif
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    Jun 07, 2013 11:36 AM GMT
    The Americas!!!!!!! They missed Cuba, is about 70% in favor or more . I mean they even passed legislation to allow free surgery for transgenders.
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    Jun 07, 2013 2:05 PM GMT
    Alpha13 saidMore like a map of Islamic culture and it somehow missed India ( a billion people)!
    They didn't really miss India. They just couldn't get through because "all of their service representatives were currently assisting other customers" and they didn't feel like waiting two hours on hold.
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    Jun 07, 2013 2:24 PM GMT
    paulflexes said
    Alpha13 saidMore like a map of Islamic culture and it somehow missed India ( a billion people)!
    They didn't really miss India. They just couldn't get through because "all of their service representatives were currently assisting other customers" and they didn't feel like waiting two hours on hold.


    Ha, ha but seriously we know that the the Islamic population are haters but what about the Hindi population?
  • wesv

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    Jun 07, 2013 2:56 PM GMT
    I wasn't so surprised when I saw that. Just thinking about culture and politics pretty much explains it.
  • TroyAthlete

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    Jun 07, 2013 5:52 PM GMT
    Hmmm, interesting. I'm shocked that Brazil is as conservative as the United States on this issue. Hmmm.
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    Jun 07, 2013 5:59 PM GMT
    As usual, Africa and most parts of the Middle East are just hopeless savages.
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    Jun 07, 2013 7:13 PM GMT
    So if we really stretch it and say that countries representing a billion people approve of homosexuality at the rate of 60% or better, that would only be countries that hold one-seventh of the world population, or 14%.
  • NickoftheNort...

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    Jun 07, 2013 7:17 PM GMT
    I imagine India as a whole would be in the disapproval section, as it has a high rural population and was under British rule for many years (British colonial laws introduced prohibitions against gay and lesbian persons to many of the places Britain colonized). There's little reason to think that the Hindi population approves of gay and lesbian significantly more than the Muslim population, given similarity on other factors (socio-economic status, economic level and stability of region, etc).

    There are some notable areas of India where we can expect approval of gay and lesbian persons to be really low (owing to the instability in those areas), such as the Kashmir region and along the border to Bangladesh

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    It's notable that none of the Caribbean islands are included in these statistics. Jamaica's known disapproval of gay and lesbian persons would certainly add a dimension to the North America or Latin America groups.

    Also, it seems that Europe has suddenly lost the Balkans in this survey in favor of Western Europe.

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    My 2 cents:

    Disapproval of gay and lesbian persons in these areas owes less to "savagery" and more to widespread insecurity. Many of the people in these areas already have challenges on their plate and the existence of gay and lesbian persons undermines what little foundation they feel they have. Recognizing this does not excuse or defend their disapproval, but rather gives us a better starting point from which we can work on changing these attitudes toward increased approval.

    We shouldn't pretend that our current approval ratings in the US, Canada, Latin and South America, or much of Europe have always been so. Just a handful of decades ago, being gay or lesbian was illegal in many of these countries. Heck, it's only been ten years since prohibitions against anal intercourse were invalidated in the US in Texas v. Lawrence.

    We should also recognize that the increased approval we've seen in some countries may not be so easily replicated in countries that don't share the demographic structure in terms of urbanization, economics, social stability, and similar aspects. Because of this, we may need other tactics (to the extent that our current approval increase has been result of tactics) to increase our approval in such areas.
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    Jun 08, 2013 1:19 AM GMT
    Scruffypup saidAs usual, Africa and most parts of the Middle East are just hopeless savages.


    I think you forgot to through Eastern Europe in the "Hopeless Savage" group.
  • Christoforos

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    Jun 08, 2013 1:36 AM GMT
    Scruffypup saidAs usual, Africa and most parts of the Middle East are just hopeless savages.


    A stupid idea does not a savage make.
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    Jun 08, 2013 1:52 AM GMT
    I'm sure it's better than before. So, there's progress (I think).
  • roadbikeRob

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    Jun 08, 2013 5:14 PM GMT
    charlitos saidThe Americas!!!!!!! They missed Cuba, is about 70% in favor or more . I mean they even passed legislation to allow free surgery for transgenders.
    They have Cuba lumped into "Latin America". I think it is time to abolish the faulty concept of "Latin America" and refer to the actual continents of North America and South America for all statistical purposes. North America is obviously not just Canada and the US, it is also Mexico, the Carribean islands and the small countries that compose the Central American land bridge ex Guatemala, Panama. South America is obviously the large land mass south of Panama.
  • Import

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    Jun 08, 2013 6:31 PM GMT
    Spain has the highest acceptance rate of same-sex marriage in the world at 88%

    Which is a bit surprising, being that's it's a traditionally very Catholic country.
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    Jun 08, 2013 6:39 PM GMT
    Christoforos said
    Scruffypup saidAs usual, Africa and most parts of the Middle East are just hopeless savages.


    A stupid idea does not a savage make.


    Considering they actually burn gay people alive in those places, I think "savages" is a pretty appropriate term.
  • Christoforos

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    Jun 08, 2013 6:53 PM GMT
    Scruffypup said
    Christoforos said
    Scruffypup saidAs usual, Africa and most parts of the Middle East are just hopeless savages.


    A stupid idea does not a savage make.


    Considering they actually burn gay people alive in those places, I think "savages" is a pretty appropriate term.


    Unfortunate that you think most people in those parts of the world engage in those activities. US citizens engaged in similarly savage activities between the country's inception and the mid-20th century. What makes you think future citizens of those countries in Africa and the Middle East who lynch homosexuals won't by held accountable? The US, by your own standards was a savage country. What would make you think that changes won't be seen in in Africa and the Middle East. Be thorough and use facts, not feelings.
  • Christoforos

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    Jun 08, 2013 6:54 PM GMT
    Christoforos said
    Scruffypup said
    Christoforos said
    Scruffypup saidAs usual, Africa and most parts of the Middle East are just hopeless savages.


    A stupid idea does not a savage make.


    Considering they actually burn gay people alive in those places, I think "savages" is a pretty appropriate term.


    Unfortunate that you think most people in those parts of the world engage in those activities. US citizens engaged in similarly savage activities between the country's inception and the mid-20th century. What makes you think future citizens of those countries in Africa and the Middle East who lynch homosexuals won't by held accountable? The US, by your own standards was a savage country. What would make you think that changes won't be seen in in Africa and the Middle East. Be thorough and use facts, not feelings or "beliefs".