New York Times! "Obama has lost all credibility"

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    Jun 07, 2013 3:59 PM GMT
    Funny how they are just now realizing this and didn't realize it oh, say, 8 months ago....

    Mr. Obama is proving the truism that the executive branch will use any power it is given and very likely abuse it.

    Guess what NYT? Government will use any power it is given (takes) and very likely abuse it.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/07/opinion/president-obamas-dragnet.html?_r=0
  • HottJoe

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    Jun 07, 2013 4:05 PM GMT
    So has the OP.
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    Jun 07, 2013 4:10 PM GMT
    SouthBitch was always saying he would never get elected.....and here we are. icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Jun 07, 2013 5:12 PM GMT
    Indeed, he has never quite recovered from the trauma, poor thing.
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    Jun 07, 2013 5:17 PM GMT
    Besides 'killing the messenger', no one has any thoughts about the facts of the article?


    Amazing.

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    Jun 07, 2013 8:15 PM GMT
    I'm wondering what the NYT is up to. They never turn on their messiahs without a very good reason. Unless this is part of a plan to benefit democrats in some way. Maybe Hillary and her new face lift.
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    Jun 07, 2013 8:49 PM GMT
    StudlyScrewRite said Besides 'killing the messenger', no one has any thoughts about the facts of the article?


    Amazing.

    "Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." ~~Benjamin Franklin



    Not really amazing. What can a liberal say to this when their official flagship newspaper throws Obama under the bus?

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    Jun 08, 2013 2:36 PM GMT
    The libs here are still in shock - can't muster a response to this devastating pronouncement from the NY Times! icon_lol.gif
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    Jun 08, 2013 2:42 PM GMT
    Who Cares. Obama is the President for the next 3 and a half years. Deal with it. I would hope as Americans we would all want him to succeed but thanks to our 2 horrid parties we can't see past our differences and wish failure upon the other.
  • rnch

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    Jun 08, 2013 3:30 PM GMT
    The key phrase in this opinion is: "The administration has lost all credibility on this issue."

    One opinion-editorial is hardly an indictment of an entire 8 year Presidency.

    I notice that Southbitch/CMA/(Insert this week's Southbitch sock account username here) does not mention anything about the law that authorizes this snooping, "The Patriot Act", was passed by a Republican Congress and signed into law by a Republican President, perhaps the worst President our country has ad to suffer?

    As we all (should have) learned from out high school Civics class: Congress passes laws, Congress repeals laws. Many/most of the same Congress persons who passed this law are now complaining about it today.

    Congress: DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT!!!!!



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  • roadbikeRob

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    Jun 08, 2013 4:09 PM GMT
    msuNdc saidWho Cares. Obama is the President for the next 3 and a half years. Deal with it. I would hope as Americans we would all want him to succeed but thanks to our 2 horrid parties we can't see past our differences and wish failure upon the other.
    I agree with you 100%.

    The two horrid parties that you are referring to are the legitimate reason for supporting alternative political parties. It is time for fresh ideas and a new approach to public policy and problem solving. The only way to do this is to send both the democratic and republican parties an eviction notice in the next election and try a different political party for a change.
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    Jun 08, 2013 5:04 PM GMT
    rnch saidThe key phrase in this opinion is: "The administration has lost all credibility on this issue."

    One opinion-editorial is hardly an indictment of an entire 8 year Presidency.

    I notice that Southbitch/CMA/(Insert this week's Southbitch sock account username here) does not mention anything about the law that authorizes this snooping, "The Patriot Act", was passed by a Republican Congress and signed into law by a Republican President, perhaps the worst President our country has ad to suffer?

    As we all (should have) learned from out high school Civics class: Congress passes laws, Congress repeals laws. Many/most of the same Congress persons who passed this law are now complaining about it today.

    Congress: DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT!!!!!



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    1) What is important is who wrote this opinion piece: The New York Times Editorial Board. In case you didn't know, they are the liberal standard-bearer of the fourth estate.

    2) Interesting how the NYT actually added the words "on this issue" after they (presumably) got some push-back from the WH. The version I cited did not have that qualifier added in when I read it and posted it here.

    3) Democrats apparently are in love with The Patriot Act as much as Republicans. As you correctly point out - Congress passes and repeals laws. So why didn't the Obama-Pelosi-Reid government of 2009/2010 repeal it? They controlled the government and had the ability to do so. I guess their failure to repeal it must have been Bush's fault as well.
  • roadbikeRob

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    Jun 08, 2013 5:18 PM GMT
    CallMeAnytime said
    rnch saidThe key phrase in this opinion is: "The administration has lost all credibility on this issue."

    One opinion-editorial is hardly an indictment of an entire 8 year Presidency.

    I notice that Southbitch/CMA/(Insert this week's Southbitch sock account username here) does not mention anything about the law that authorizes this snooping, "The Patriot Act", was passed by a Republican Congress and signed into law by a Republican President, perhaps the worst President our country has ad to suffer?

    As we all (should have) learned from out high school Civics class: Congress passes laws, Congress repeals laws. Many/most of the same Congress persons who passed this law are now complaining about it today.

    Congress: DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT!!!!!



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    1) What is important is who wrote this opinion piece: The New York Times Editorial Board. In case you didn't know, they are the liberal standard-bearer of the fourth estate.

    2) Interesting how the NYT actually added the words "on this issue" after they (presumably) got some push-back from the WH. The version I cited did not have that qualifier added in when I read it and posted it here.

    3) Democrats apparently are in love with The Patriot Act as much as Republicans. As you correctly point out - Congress passes and repeals laws. So why didn't the Obama-Pelosi-Reid government of 2009/2010 repeal it? They controlled the government and had the ability to do so. I guess their failure to repeal it must have been Bush's fault as well.
    Those are good, valid points which prove that the democrats and the republicans are equally corrupt and equally fascistic. Both major parties need to be evicted from public office.
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    Jun 09, 2013 9:00 PM GMT
    Fed up with Democans and Repulicrats? Or is it Liberative -vs- Conserval? Both are so interchangeable now it's hard to tell.

    Find some answers here:
    http://www.lp.org/
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    Jun 09, 2013 9:17 PM GMT
    Who wants to weaken the Patriot Act? That is what it would take to fix this problem. Are we just laying blame for political points?
  • rnch

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    Jun 09, 2013 9:29 PM GMT
    wyrln said... Are we just laying blame for political points?




    The Republicans are; they have nothing else to offer up to the American voting public.


  • HottJoe

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    Jun 10, 2013 3:45 AM GMT
    topathlete said
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    CallMeAnytime saidFunny how they are just now realizing this and didn't realize it oh, say, 8 months ago....

    Mr. Obama is proving the truism that the executive branch will use any power it is given and very likely abuse it.

    Guess what NYT? Government will use any power it is given (takes) and very likely abuse it.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/07/opinion/president-obamas-dragnet.html?_r=0


    Unlike Conservatives, Liberals are actually capable of finding fault with their leaders.

    That certainly wouldn't include you, would it? I've never read you critical of anything related to Obama or Democrats. Most of what you post is just regurgitation from Democratic Underground or other similar sites. Are you capable of anything critical or can you only parrot what they say? Go ahead. Say something critical of Obama. Will be interesting seeing you squrim your way out.


    The biggest criticism I have of Obama is that he's too soft on Congress. He needs to bust more kneecaps!icon_biggrin.gificon_biggrin.gificon_biggrin.gif
  • musclmed

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    Jun 10, 2013 6:14 AM GMT
    the question is....

    is a FISA warrant applicable to collecting data on American citizens in the United States.?

    The Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act courts should not apply to Americans.

    Can the government store information about you without a warrant?

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/09/edward-snowden-nsa-whistleblower-surveillance

    I dont think its a partisan issue. Honestly Obama is so isolated it is completely possible a rogue CIA has made an end-run around the normal government.
  • conservativej...

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    Jun 10, 2013 9:56 PM GMT
    Oh it's just a little lover's quarrel . The staff at the New York Times gets a good bit of cock from President Obama as they agreed a long time ago to give ass to him. They'll kiss and make up real soon, as in before next's year's mid-terms.