Meat's Not Green!

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    Oct 31, 2008 3:55 AM GMT

    Find out why "Meat's Not Green"!
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    Oct 31, 2008 4:54 AM GMT
    Ok, I'm all settled in.
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    Oct 31, 2008 5:14 AM GMT
    um people have been domesticating animals and eatign the for food far longer than cars.
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    Oct 31, 2008 5:17 AM GMT
    GuiltyGear saidOk, I'm all settled in.
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    LMFAO I love your response GG!
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    Oct 31, 2008 5:22 AM GMT
    Greygull saidum people have been domesticating animals and eatign the for food far longer than cars.


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    Oct 31, 2008 5:23 AM GMT
    If I can't eat meat, how can I be gay?
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    Oct 31, 2008 5:30 AM GMT
    I have given up red meat completely. I no longer eat beef, pork and I rarely eat chicken and other meats....I do eat some fish and I like fresh water salmon.

    I mostly eat for protein....beans, lentils, nuts (peanut butter) and other nuts...never SOY.

    I have never felt better!!


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    Oct 31, 2008 5:41 AM GMT

    What would you have us eat, hippie? And don't say beans and nuts because, oy, the bloat.

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    Oct 31, 2008 5:46 AM GMT
    With that waist of yours you bloat guilty?

    Actually I'm curious as to what fresh water salmon is -- I'm familiar with farmed vs. wild, but freshwater? As I know it they only spawn in fresh water, but live most of their lives at see, and most of those we eat are either farmed at see or caught before they start their journey up river.
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    Oct 31, 2008 5:57 AM GMT
    wrerickhussein saidWith that waist of yours you bloat guilty?

    Actually I'm curious as to what fresh water salmon is -- I'm familiar with farmed vs. wild, but freshwater? As I know it they only spawn in fresh water, but live most of their lives at see, and most of those we eat are either farmed at see or caught before they start their journey up river.


    I meant fresh farmed..lol

    But I do like and get the Alaskan wild sockeye salmon and I buy the Icelandic salmon. I think Salmon is a fresh water fish and free from many of the bad pollutants. That's what I have read and understood.


    http://www.salmon-club.com/
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    Oct 31, 2008 8:02 AM GMT
    GuiltyGear said
    What would you have us eat, hippie? And don't say beans and nuts because, oy, the bloat.



    There are tons of recipes on the net for vegetarians and vegans, especially yummy ones from Thailand and India. You do not need to exclusively eat things that cause gas but this is really not a good argument since the high protein content of meat including fowl also will cause gas. Anyway, why is gas a problem for someone who exercises and keeps a strong core?

    Our problem now is with soy. We have incorporated so much soy into our cooking habits that it is turning out to be a considerable project to rid our diets of this. They say in the video above that 80% of the Amazon’s destruction is caused by meat production but I understood that soy production has also been responsible for a good part of this.

    We had switched over to range eggs as a solution to the mass produced egg, however, now our source for those has been closed, so it is back to looking around for another source. Keeping up with all this is work but it is worth it in the end if it will slow down global climate change.
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    Oct 31, 2008 8:19 AM GMT
    Azstreaker saidI have given up red meat completely. I no longer eat beef, pork and I rarely eat chicken and other meats....I do eat some fish and I like fresh water salmon.

    I mostly eat for protein....beans, lentils, nuts (peanut butter) and other nuts...never SOY.

    I have never felt better!!





    I have been a Pesco Vegetarian for 9 yrs now. Limit myself to soy and dairy because of my allergy to wheat and gluten. Usually eat salmon, talapia, flounder and mahi mahi that are low in mercury. Go to gotmercury.com to see how much mercury is in most seafood. I rarely eat tuna these days because of the high mercury levels in it.

    I agree with you about feeling better by eliminating beef, pork and chicken from my diet.
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    Oct 31, 2008 12:31 PM GMT
    Azstreaker saidI have given up red meat completely. I no longer eat beef, pork and I rarely eat chicken and other meats....I do eat some fish and I like fresh water salmon.

    I mostly eat for protein....beans, lentils, nuts (peanut butter) and other nuts...never SOY.

    I have never felt better!!




    What's wrong with soy?
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    Oct 31, 2008 12:35 PM GMT
    I must admit I don't eat much meat, not because of the impact on the environment but the impact on my health. Chicken is probably my #1 meat for consumption but even then rarely more than twice a week. I am lucky I actually like vegetables, tofu and stuff like that. The best place to get vegetarian food are Indian restaurants. It is amazing how tasty their vegetarian dishes are.
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    Oct 31, 2008 1:51 PM GMT
    Sorry...I had a sirloin steak this past weekend and it was AMAZING. Lol. But power to those who choose not to eat meat!
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    Oct 31, 2008 2:48 PM GMT
    icon_eek.gif but what about the meat I needs to live?! I've lost 13 lbs (from 140)...I need cow! (pork isn't in a panamian's diet really...) Cow!
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    Oct 31, 2008 2:55 PM GMT
    This has never made much sense to me.
    If we stop eating animals and start eating plants, won't the animal populations explode, and the demand for plants cause a bigger need for farm land? And, if we all eat plants won't there be less plants to change bad air into good air?
    I think a balance between the two needs to be met.
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    Oct 31, 2008 3:00 PM GMT
    I was a vegetarian for a very long time, but I still really like meat. Good thing humans have been eating for a really long time.

    Also, here is a link from the RJ featured topic on eating right and being a vegetarian. http://www.realjock.com/nutrition/1064/

    If you want to be a vegetarian for ethical purposes, go for it, but no one (just like with religion or politics) should force his or her beliefs on other rational beings.
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    Oct 31, 2008 3:13 PM GMT
    Elderthlas saidicon_eek.gif but what about the meat I needs to live?! I've lost 13 lbs (from 140)...I need cow! (pork isn't in a panamian's diet really...) Cow!


    We are omnivores (well most of us)... that is the healthiest diet. No one should tell you you can't eat cows. However, the way Concentrated Animal Feeding Operations (CAFOs) are run in this country is unbelievable. Pollution, Waste, Eutrophication, Animal Cruelty, Poorly Nutirtioned animals leads to Unhealthy Meat, Emergence of Antimicrobial-resittant Microbes. etc. All of those are some of the thing wrong with CAFOs

    Want more info? Look up the author, Michael Pollen. He wrote an excellent book, "The Omnivore's Dilema".

    Buy "Little Organic" locally prepared fresh meat. Know where your meat is coming from and how the cows are treated. Well fed cows are happy cows, and happy cows have more unstaurated fat and more omega-3/6 fatty acids in their meat (the meat is more lean, less fat "ribbons" and more striated muscle tissue.)

    At CAFOs, cows are fed corn becuase it is cheaper than hay in the long run, But the cows four stomachs can't digest corn as well as hay, their natural source of food. Meat from corn-fed-contained cows (at CAFOs) is more unhealthy than meat from hay-fed-naturally grazing cows. Same with Chicken and every other meat humans eat... naturally fed and naturally grazing animals are better to eat than "mass produced" meat.

    GREED, BIG BUSINESS, MONEY, AND CORRUPTION HAS TAKEN OVER THE FARMS!

    Agriculture and (including CAFOs) is one of the greatest threats to climate change.

    So conclusion:

    Meat IS Green if you buy it from the right place

    The "meat" at fast food places is NOT Green
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    Oct 31, 2008 3:19 PM GMT
    Sounds like you have gotten to know the wrong meat, hippie. There are some farms out there that create entire food chains that include livestock. They are a million times more green than some of the big monoculture VEGETABLE farms out there.

    When you expose yourself as a myopic extremist, you pretty much lose your audience.
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    Oct 31, 2008 3:28 PM GMT
    I just watched that movie.... i didn't agree with everything in it though. Little organic farms (farms that are organic but not part of the big business that goes with Big Organic--which gift up some of the "original oraginc princibles" in order to spread their business and make more money) are a great place to get crops and food from (veggies and meat... or just veggies)

    PETA labeled all meat farms as polluters and that all farms contribute to climate change. They say the only way to help is to stope eatting meat.

    WRONG!

    PETA may have anothe "hidden agenda" in that little clip, in my opinion.

    btw... I hate meat. I just don't like it... so have have no "beef" with someone (no pun intended) saying i should become a vegaterain in order to stop "global warming" [Climate Change!!!] But people should know that facts
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    Oct 31, 2008 3:41 PM GMT
    spryte21 saidThis has never made much sense to me.
    If we stop eating animals and start eating plants, won't the animal populations explode, and the demand for plants cause a bigger need for farm land? And, if we all eat plants won't there be less plants to change bad air into good air?
    I think a balance between the two needs to be met.


    Domesticated animals would probably go extinct in my opinion and the opinion of a professor I have for a class right noww (we just talked about that actually)

    Also, we also grow enough food in this country to basically feed everyone in the world.. or so I've heard. Yes we would need more farms though.

    As much as I despise the 2nd Admendment... we need to hunt animals. Why? Because my grandfather's generation, and back several generations from him, hunted down "keystone predators".... predators which influence the evironment's species through poplutation control of other species lower in the food chain (e.g. wolves in the northwest, cougars in my New England- hunted down deer. But the intelligent human hunters saw that they were competing with wolves and cougars--- and shot them evry chance they got. Not to mention habiat loss from spreading human populations. Now, the deer population has exploded... and we NEED to hunt them in order to control the population... unless there is some other way)

    And "bad air into good air?" I assume you mean from CO2 to O2. it would take an emmese amount of destruction to occur before that happens. Plus cutting down older trees and planting new ones helps take out more CO2 from the air. Younger plants use up more CO2 than older.
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    Oct 31, 2008 3:42 PM GMT
    Many great comments above so I'll respond to a few things said.

    As for vegetarian recipes check out http://www.vegcooking.com/

    A lot of people mentioned they don't eat meat and eat fish instead. The problem with fish is that 90% of our oceans fisheries have been depleted. Scientists estimate that by 2048 there will be no sea life. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/11/02/AR2006110200913.html

    "And, if we all eat plants won't there be less plants to change bad air into good air? "
    We actually eat more plants on a meat-based diet. It takes far more plants/grains etc to feed animals that we than eat for food. So actually if you want to "save" the plants, vegetarianism is a better option lol (ironically)
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    Oct 31, 2008 3:43 PM GMT
    StanleyHusseinWilson saidSounds like you have gotten to know the wrong meat, hippie. There are some farms out there that create entire food chains that include livestock. They are a million times more green than some of the big monoculture VEGETABLE farms out there.

    When you expose yourself as a myopic extremist, you pretty much lose your audience.


    I completely agree... well except the last statment. EVERYONE is "myopic" is certain areas of knowledge... life... etc. That is unless you are not humanicon_biggrin.gif
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    Thanks cjcscuba!

    The whole meat vs vegan issue is rife with generalizations.

    Farmed salmon. Not good for you. Why? The feed supply often comes from China where melamine among other nasties is added. The industry is an environmental hazard, producing diseases that wipe out wild salmon stocks. That said, there's an ongoing effort here in Canada to enforce land locked pools for salmon farming in attempt to curb this problem.

    Mass production of meat for consumption is happening because the planet's population is exploding. Efforts to become green can't compete with overpopulation.

    From another angle, let's look at goats. They eat anything (literally) and don't depend on crops. They can exist in just about any temperate climate where they can forage. No stripping away of the indigenous flora to plant crops.

    It should be remembered that the world's population of animals outside humans is a fraction of what it was several hundred years ago.

    Take a look at the buffalo. The meat is excellent, and very good for you.
    The buffalo population in the US alone used to be around 60 million and now its maximum is 350 thousand.

    There is such a loss of habitat due to human encroachment that places like Yellowstone park can only support 3,500.

    We once heard the argument that all those cows and sheep were producing flatulence that caused massive amounts of methane that was causing global warming. We demurely pointed out that humans fart on a regular basis. heh

    ....interesting debate.