Colorado Bakery Refuses to Make Cake For Gay Wedding - Civil Rights Complaint Lodged http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/jun/6/flour-power-isnt-sweet-on-gay-marriage/

  • bburg34

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    Jun 09, 2013 8:19 PM GMT
    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/jun/6/flour-power-isnt-sweet-on-gay-marriage/

    Looks like they're in for a low-carb wedding... icon_eek.gif
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    Jun 09, 2013 9:02 PM GMT
    Every time I read of one of these bakeries or florists who refuse a same sex couple, we usually read that the couple had patronized the business for years.

    What strikes me as unfair about their business practice is that they can accept the money from gay customers AND the money of equality-supporting straight customers without disclosing their bigotry.

    Their sign should read: We Hate Gays; Do You Still Want a Cookie from Us?
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    Jun 09, 2013 10:50 PM GMT
    How dare two men want to eat cake together!! icon_mad.gif Talk about a slippery slope, pretty soon men will be buying cakes for their dogs!

    Oh wait...



    To be honest, wedding cakes "take the cake" when it comes to vastly overpriced items. Some of those cakes run hundreds of dollars, for something that half of the people will not even eat and another part will be too intoxicated to care whether or not they are eating a Sara Lee freezer cake.

    If and when I get gay married, I'll hire a friend or family member to make me couple of sheet cakes and call it a day. I don't care if it's a Betty Crocker box mix, I'm not proud! icon_lol.gif

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    Jun 10, 2013 12:07 AM GMT
    In Colorado, a second same-sex pair called Masterpiece Cakeshop [the same bakery involved in the lawsuit cited here] and asked for a cake for a dog wedding. The bakery agreed to provide the cake, according to the ACLU.

    “Imagine being told that the love between you and your partner is less legitimate than a dog wedding,” the ACLU press release said.
  • metta

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    Dec 04, 2013 6:35 PM GMT
    Court hears discrimination case against bakery over wedding cake denial


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    http://www.lgbtqnation.com/2013/12/court-hears-discrimination-case-against-bakery-over-wedding-cake-denial/



    WE'RE GOING TO FIGHT.....FOR THE RIGHT....TO EAT CAKE!!!
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    Dec 04, 2013 7:33 PM GMT
    I wouldn't get all wrought up with anger if some little bakery or other homophobic shop didn't want my business. God knows there are a whole lot of fine, choice shops (and bakeries) to do business with........places where the shop owners are "family" or "family friendly".

    Support gay and gay friendly businesses. Let the others dry up and wither away!
  • secondstartot...

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    Dec 04, 2013 9:40 PM GMT
    I never understand the drama of these cases ...sos and so wont make a cake host a party etc....I would hate the idea of forcing someone to make me a cake or host my wedding....these things are very expensive because they are personally done and made very meticulously with a lo of detail etc.....there HAS GOT TO BE Gay friendly cake bakers...........more likely gay bakers ...just support them......you dont want people spitting in your cake...makes no sense ...
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    Dec 04, 2013 9:50 PM GMT
    ^
    It is not about whether you are ok with it or not because you have other options. It is about discrimination. Just like it would be wrong for a business to turn someone away for being black, asian, or purple, it is wrong to turn someone away for being gay.


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    Dec 04, 2013 10:44 PM GMT
    metta8 said^
    It is not about whether you are ok with it or not because you have other options. It is about discrimination. Just like it would be wrong for a business to turn someone away for being black, asian, or purple, it is wrong to turn someone away for being gay.


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    i agree with you Metta. discrimination should not be tolerated in any form.

    i know this is off topic, but what has bothered me for a while is why religious institutions are allowed to discriminate. i'm not religious, but if i did decide to get married in a church, why can they discriminate based on sexual orientation or even race? i don't think i would be as concerned if they didn't receive government tax breaks, but they do. they should be treated like any other 501c3 charitable organization. rant over.
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    Dec 04, 2013 11:43 PM GMT
    AardvarkPetter saidI would deny them their cake too. Same-sex marriage is wrong! The Bible says so!

    If you're going to use the Bible as your point of reference, as illogical as it might be, use it properly please. The Bible does NOT say anything about gays marrying. The references most commonly taken out of context, that you're referring to, have to do with gays having sex with each other. Marriage is a states right in our country as is evident by the fact that the County Recorder's Office requires a license, not the church. Marriage is only a church activity when referred to as the Sanctity of Marriage which is a joke considering the number of Unsanctity of Divorce in our country. But I digress. You might want to consider watching this clip from an episode of West Wing and then research the referenced scripture verses to see if there are any laws or commands that you're breaking: http://youtu.be/DVL-gA1KpxQ
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    Dec 05, 2013 12:36 AM GMT
    I don't understand why gays want to force religious people to do things against their religion. I'm sure they don't want other people forcing their views on them, so neither should they force their views on other people. If they are not supportive of gay weddings, then leave them alone. Stop trying to force other people to be what you want them to be.
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    Dec 05, 2013 12:40 AM GMT
    michael61 saidI don't understand why gays want to force religious people to do things against their religion. I'm sure they don't want other people forcing their views on them, so neither should they force their views on other people. If they are not supportive of gay weddings, then leave them alone. Stop trying to force other people to be what you want them to be.


    If this bakery had refused a black couple because they were black, would you be saying the same thing?
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    Dec 05, 2013 1:00 AM GMT
    Avsigkommen said
    michael61 saidI don't understand why gays want to force religious people to do things against their religion. I'm sure they don't want other people forcing their views on them, so neither should they force their views on other people. If they are not supportive of gay weddings, then leave them alone. Stop trying to force other people to be what you want them to be.


    If this bakery had refused a black couple because they were black, would you be saying the same thing?


    people still do it all the time
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    Dec 05, 2013 1:13 AM GMT
    Montague said
    Avsigkommen said
    michael61 saidI don't understand why gays want to force religious people to do things against their religion. I'm sure they don't want other people forcing their views on them, so neither should they force their views on other people. If they are not supportive of gay weddings, then leave them alone. Stop trying to force other people to be what you want them to be.


    If this bakery had refused a black couple because they were black, would you be saying the same thing?


    people still do it all the time


    That doesn't make it rightt. Michael61 is implying that it's okay the bakery did this.
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    Dec 05, 2013 1:23 AM GMT
    God knows im all for equal rights...but Businesses do have a right to refuse service. Whats the point of bullying them into serving you. Like i personally wouldnt want to purchase or make an order for a cake from a bakery that originally declined my patronage...( they might spit in the batter)they refused to make the cake..move on. There are many other bakeries out there, "gay owned". i really dont get this bullying gay trail blazer tactic..."yes gays sometimes are bullies".
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    Dec 05, 2013 1:23 AM GMT
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    eb925guy saidIf you're going to use the Bible as your point of ref

    I assume you mean use it to hold the screen door open.

    Well, I think it would probably do that but I was referring to him using it for reference to his comment, not that it's necessarily an effective reference considering so many issues with it's existence.
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    Dec 05, 2013 6:17 AM GMT
    michael61 saidI don't understand why gays want to force religious people to do things against their religion. I'm sure they don't want other people forcing their views on them, so neither should they force their views on other people. If they are not supportive of gay weddings, then leave them alone. Stop trying to force other people to be what you want them to be.


    this is done all the time. that's the purpose of government.
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    Dec 05, 2013 6:53 AM GMT
    michael61 saidI don't understand why gays want to force religious people to do things against their religion. I'm sure they don't want other people forcing their views on them, so neither should they force their views on other people. If they are not supportive of gay weddings, then leave them alone. Stop trying to force other people to be what you want them to be.


    I agree with this. In so many of these cases, the couple goes out of their way to find the only homophobic business of its kind in town, just to sue people into doing stuff that's against their religion. I cringe whenever I hear gays defend this shit with "I won't tolerate intolerance!" You can't legislate acceptance.
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    Dec 05, 2013 9:18 AM GMT
    michael61 saidI don't understand why gays want to force religious people to do things against their religion. I'm sure they don't want other people forcing their views on them, so neither should they force their views on other people. If they are not supportive of gay weddings, then leave them alone. Stop trying to force other people to be what you want them to be.


    And the r.c. church, mormons, evangelicals, and fundamentalists are not trying to force other people to be what they want us to be?
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    Dec 05, 2013 12:18 PM GMT
    Aristoshark said
    tereseus1 saidGod knows im all for equal rights...but Businesses do have a right to refuse service.

    Um, no, legally they don't. That "we reserve the right to refuse service bla bla bla" sign is legally unenforceable.


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    Dec 05, 2013 12:30 PM GMT
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    michael61 saidI don't understand why gays want to force religious people to do things against their religion. I'm sure they don't want other people forcing their views on them, so neither should they force their views on other people. If they are not supportive of gay weddings, then leave them alone. Stop trying to force other people to be what you want them to be.


    I agree with this. In so many of these cases, the couple goes out of their way to find the only homophobic business of its kind in town, just to sue people into doing stuff that's against their religion. I cringe whenever I hear gays defend this shit with "I won't tolerate intolerance!" You can't legislate acceptance.



    "Does a Restaurant Have the Unrestricted Right to Refuse Service to Specific Patrons?

    No. The Civil Rights Act of 1964 explicitly prohibits restaurants from refusing service to patrons on the basis of race, color, religion, or natural origin.

    But Aren’t Restaurants Considered Private Property?

    Yes, however they are also considered places of public accommodation. In other words, the primary purpose of a restaurant is to sell food to the general public, which necessarily requires susceptibility to equal protection laws. Therefore, a restaurant’s existence as private property does not excuse an unjustified refusal of service."
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    michael61 saidI don't understand why gays want to force religious people to do things against their religion. I'm sure they don't want other people forcing their views on them, so neither should they force their views on other people. If they are not supportive of gay weddings, then leave them alone. Stop trying to force other people to be what you want them to be.


    I agree with this. In so many of these cases, the couple goes out of their way to find the only homophobic business of its kind in town, just to sue people into doing stuff that's against their religion. I cringe whenever I hear gays defend this shit with "I won't tolerate intolerance!" You can't legislate acceptance.

    As sean_zuri says above, the issue here is "place of public accommodation".

    If you owned a private place, for members only, then you might be able to impose your religious beliefs on its operation. Private schools often do this, and will refuse to hire, or will fire, employees known to be gay, or are unwed mothers, or those who otherwise violate their private beliefs.

    But if you open a place to the public, which in almost every case must be licensed & regulated by the government, then you must follow public law in every regard.

    Do you get to ignore fire safety laws, if you claim they conflict with some passage in the Bible? How about food sanitation regulations? I'm sure some Biblical scholar can find passages that govern those (and incidentally, even kosher food processing operations must also comply with public health regulations).

    If that Mom & Pop bakery on the corner can bar gays, or Blacks, can Target do it, too? If I own a tire store, can I bar Jews, or Muslims, atheists or other non-Christians?

    Sure it would seem like I was reducing my income, but if my faith was strong, and I thought other devout Christians would flock to my store in support, maybe I would do it. And what are a few gays? Barely a blip on my bottom line in many communities.

    Funny, those of us who lived through the Civil Rights Era of the 1950s and early 1960s, thought these battles had been won. Thanks to the US Right Wing we find we're right back where we started from, over 50 years later. icon_sad.gif
  • metta

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    Dec 06, 2013 10:59 PM GMT
    FAIRNESS WINS AGAIN!!!


    The right to discriminate loses!

    Judge orders Colo. bakery to offer wedding cakes for same-sex couples

    http://www.lgbtqnation.com/2013/12/judge-orders-colo-bakery-to-offer-wedding-cakes-for-same-sex-couples/
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    Dec 06, 2013 11:13 PM GMT
    metta8 saidFAIRNESS WINS AGAIN!!!


    The right to discriminate loses!

    Judge orders Colo. bakery to offer wedding cakes for same-sex couples

    http://www.lgbtqnation.com/2013/12/judge-orders-colo-bakery-to-offer-wedding-cakes-for-same-sex-couples/

    I love when Right Wingers lose. They continue to be on the wrong side of history on virtually every social issue in the US. Just like US slave owners were 160 years ago. Or Southern Segregationists and States Righters within my own lifetime.

    Who regrettably were Democrats (or "Dixiecrats", a unique Southern version of Democrats) back then, a residual of Civil War Reconstruction, but still Right Wingers. Who morphed into the present-day Republican Party and hijacked it.
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    Dec 06, 2013 11:15 PM GMT
    I still wouldn't want my wedding cake, or even an eclair from a place that resented me, and found my lifestyle and sexuality to be abhorrent. It is just and fine that the new ruling has come down in our favor, but I'd still go someplace else with my business. This wouldn't be a pleasant or happy transaction. Someone mentioned spitting in food, and while I wouldn't expect that to happen, I'd still not want the memory of doing business with someone that hateful. You can legislate decent behavior and compliance with the law, and force them to sell you a cake, but why not go somewhere else? There are plenty of shopkeepers who embrace and love us - and happily would do a much better cake or any other service.