House approves amendment to restrict DHS bulk ammo buys

  • conservativej...

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    Jun 11, 2013 1:21 AM GMT
    The House of Representatives voted late Wednesday to prohibit the Department of Homeland Security from using taxpayer dollars to buy and stockpile ammunition until they provide a “comprehensive report” to Congress on its ammunition usage, purchase history and contracting practices.

    “Prior to committing taxpayer dollars for ammunition contracts, we must ensure that government agencies justify the necessity and cost to both Congress and the American people,” said Representative Mark Meadows (R.-N.C.), the amendment’s author.

    The House approved the amendment to H.R. 2217, Department of Homeland Security Appropriations Act of 2014, by a 234-192 vote. Notably, eighteen democrats supported the amendment and only thirteen republicans opposed. Meadows cited concerns over the current practices and purchases of the Department as justification for the proposal.


    “Earlier this year, we learned that DHS solicited bids for 1.1 billion rounds of ammunition,” Meadows said in a statement. “This is more than ten times the amount that the department purchased in fiscal year 2012. Given current inventory, DHS has nearly 4,000 rounds for each employee trained and certified in firearms use.”

    The Government Accountability Office is currently investigating that large purchases made by the DHS. Such reports of the government purchasing mass quantities of ammunition and efforts to enact more restrictive gun-control legislation have compounded to spark a mass increase in demand for guns and ammunition — the likes of which many industry employees say they have never seen. (RELATED: Gun ranges forced to ration due to extreme ammo shortages)

    The amendment requires the Secretary of Homeland Security to submit a detailed report to Congress of the Department’s mission requirements as it pertains to ammunition and “all contracting practices applied by the Department of Homeland Security to procure ammunition.” The report must also indicate all contract options and compare cost and availability.

    Additionally, the amendment requires the Department to report “quarterly thereafter” to Congress the quantity of ammunition in inventory, used by and purchased by the Department of Homeland during and at the end of each calendar quarter. It even stipulates the Department provide “the ammunition type, the purpose of such usage, the average number of rounds used per agent or officer.”
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    Jun 11, 2013 2:54 AM GMT
    If this has to make it through the Senate, then unfortunately the Democrats, a.k.a. the "Party of NO" will make sure it never becomes law.
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    Jun 11, 2013 7:41 AM GMT
    CallMeAnytime saidIf this has to make it through the Senate, then unfortunately the Democrats, a.k.a. the "Party of NO" will make sure it never becomes law.

    Maybe on this issue, but the repubs have been the party of "NO" in the house for some time, and in the Senate on advise and consent appointments.
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    Jun 11, 2013 10:28 AM GMT
    And for good reason, this is why we have checks and balances.
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    Jun 11, 2013 10:32 AM GMT
    Unintended saidYawn.


    You think it's just dandy that our government create it's own Schutzstaffel?
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    Jun 11, 2013 3:01 PM GMT
    Gun violence in the US is a social disease. Mass murders of citizens by other citizens occur with a frequency seen in no other developed nation in the world. Is it so surprising that law enforcement agencies should want to keep up?
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    Jun 11, 2013 7:38 PM GMT
    We have police for that. And the FBI, and the ATF. DHS has specific functions, and a maniac on a shooting spree is not one of them. We don't need yet another police force, with the possibility of it becoming another SS.
  • musclmed

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    Jun 11, 2013 8:55 PM GMT
    why does DHS need all of this ammo?

    1.1 billion rounds?
    The Denver Post, on February 15th, ran an Associated Press article entitled Homeland Security aims to buy 1.6b rounds of ammo, so far to little notice. It confirmed that the Department of Homeland Security has issued an open purchase order for 1.6 billion rounds of ammunition. As reported elsewhere, some of this purchase order is for hollow-point rounds, forbidden by international law for use in war, along with a frightening amount specialized for snipers. Also reported elsewhere, at the height of the Iraq War the Army was expending less than 6 million rounds a month. Therefore 1.6 billion rounds would be enough to sustain a hot war for 20+ years. In America.


    why are they ordering rounds forbidden under international law?

    do they have some sort of civil war in mind?
  • creature

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    Jun 11, 2013 11:36 PM GMT
    musclmed saidwhy does DHS need all of this ammo?

    1.1 billion rounds?
    The Denver Post, on February 15th, ran an Associated Press article entitled Homeland Security aims to buy 1.6b rounds of ammo, so far to little notice. It confirmed that the Department of Homeland Security has issued an open purchase order for 1.6 billion rounds of ammunition. As reported elsewhere, some of this purchase order is for hollow-point rounds, forbidden by international law for use in war, along with a frightening amount specialized for snipers. Also reported elsewhere, at the height of the Iraq War the Army was expending less than 6 million rounds a month. Therefore 1.6 billion rounds would be enough to sustain a hot war for 20+ years. In America.


    why are they ordering rounds forbidden under international law?

    do they have some sort of civil war in mind?


    And since when did you become so concerned about international law?
  • musclmed

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    Jun 12, 2013 2:17 AM GMT
    creature said
    musclmed saidwhy does DHS need all of this ammo?

    1.1 billion rounds?
    The Denver Post, on February 15th, ran an Associated Press article entitled Homeland Security aims to buy 1.6b rounds of ammo, so far to little notice. It confirmed that the Department of Homeland Security has issued an open purchase order for 1.6 billion rounds of ammunition. As reported elsewhere, some of this purchase order is for hollow-point rounds, forbidden by international law for use in war, along with a frightening amount specialized for snipers. Also reported elsewhere, at the height of the Iraq War the Army was expending less than 6 million rounds a month. Therefore 1.6 billion rounds would be enough to sustain a hot war for 20+ years. In America.


    why are they ordering rounds forbidden under international law?

    do they have some sort of civil war in mind?


    And since when did you become so concerned about international law?


    All the time, it doesn't really address the merits of what i said.

    So what about the whole situation puts you at ease?

    We dont use hollow bullets in Iraq and Afghanistan because if international treaty. So we stock them to use them for what ? The American people?