ab workout unnecessary?

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    Jun 12, 2013 10:15 PM GMT
    Hi folks,

    I was at the gym today doing my usual routine. I'm currently working out twice a week to maintain my muscle as I lose weight.

    This really hot and buff guy came up to me and said that he wished that he had my calves. I've gotten this before, especially from gay guys. We talked for a bit, and later I told him I was gonna go to another part of the gym to work on my abs, and he told me to not waste my time. I looked at him real funny, and he said that to get 6 pack abs all you need to do is deadlifts and squats. He showed me his abs, and sure enough he has a 4 pack (he said that guys his height - 6'5 - need to do leg raises to get the bottom two abs to show).

    Now, I don't know whether to believe him or not. I'm sure that he never works out his abs, but maybe his genetics allows him to not workout his abs but still get a really sexy midsection. Is his experience common to a lot of y'all? What do y'all know about this? He piqued my curiosity.
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    Jun 12, 2013 10:22 PM GMT
    I think they're necessary if you want hard bumpy washboard abs. I feel like I can immediately identify abs where the guy did what that guy told you, just got them "naturally" by doing the other stuff and not doing abs work.

    For example, I'd be surprised if this guy didn't do any abs work:

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    Jun 12, 2013 10:22 PM GMT
    Abs are mostly to do with how much body fat you have, which is why very skinny guys who don't work out but have good diets have them (and why very skinny guys with bad diets don't).

    He is also right that deadlifts work the abs. But, it is still worthwhile doing some ab work especially if you are newer and lack core strength. 3 sets of decline situps and 3 sets of hand to foot swiss ball passes or some variation of leg raise (hanging leg raise being the hardest) will be more than adequate.
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    Jun 12, 2013 10:22 PM GMT
    I think you should do abs. The problem with abs is that you have to do them like everyday and a ton of different variations of it. with all other parts of the body you see results in like weeks, but with abs - it's only disappointment unless you have been doing them for months on a regular basis.

    I dont do abs because I will do them for two weeks and then measure my waist and it's all the same, it's extremely annoying. So now I have accepted that okay I will probably always have something there so now I dont care for ab routines. and yesterday i did 100 crunches after like a really long time and my whole stomach was hurting, it felt good but then i also sprained something for a few minutes.
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    Jun 12, 2013 10:27 PM GMT
    And these are what I'd guess are "natural" abs:

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    And some people just have naturally narrow pulled in abs. My dad, 2 brothers, and I all have protruding abs, regardless of any belly fat.
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    Jun 12, 2013 10:34 PM GMT
    whatever3009 saidI think you should do abs. The problem with abs is that you have to do them like everyday and a ton of different variations of it. with all other parts of the body you see results in like weeks, but with abs - it's only disappointment unless you have been doing them for months on a regular basis.

    I dont do abs because I will do them for two weeks and then measure my waist and it's all the same, it's extremely annoying. So now I have accepted that okay I will probably always have something there so now I dont care for ab routines. and yesterday i did 100 crunches after like a really long time and my whole stomach was hurting, it felt good but then i also sprained something for a few minutes.


    If you have a layer of fat over your abs then doing abs workouts isn't going to help with the fat and not much with their definition; I can definitely attest to that! But I can certainly feel nice bumpy abs under my belly fat. At my age I'm not worried about how my abs look but it's nice to have strong abs for running and for your back.
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    Jun 12, 2013 10:38 PM GMT
    This guy wasn't the skinny type by any stretch. 6'5 and perhaps 210-220 pounds? He was fit, but I wouldn't call him skinny. He still had some great abs. They did look like those on the "natural" guy in your second picture, though they protruded out more.
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    Jun 12, 2013 10:43 PM GMT
    KJSharp saidThis guy wasn't the skinny type by any stretch. 6'5 and perhaps 210-220 pounds? He was fit, but I wouldn't call him skinny. He still had some great abs. They did look like those on the "natural" guy in your second picture, though they protruded out more.


    Sounds like he had lots of muscle and not much fat, so still low body fat. People often quote around 13% (average) for them to start showing properly.
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    Jun 12, 2013 10:48 PM GMT
    The guys I workout with at CrossFit have the hottests bodies of any group of men I've ever seen and we seldom do "ab work." We do lots of full body, functional movements. We occasionally do sit-ups but they seem to be more for cardiovascular function than anything.
  • NeuralShock

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    Jun 12, 2013 11:30 PM GMT
    I personally noticed the best gains in core strength when I did abs.

    When I first started I actually didn't put much effort into them. After I did dedicated abdominal exercises my core strength shot up like mad.

    Another fact that needs to be said is that many muscles of the core aren't worked out by traditional bodybuilding methods, which can be dangerous in itself to leave them lacking. These can be strengthened by yoga as an example.

    Personally I think this 6'5 man is full of shit lol
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    Jun 13, 2013 1:29 AM GMT
    Working out legs fixes everything.
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    Jun 13, 2013 1:55 AM GMT
    if i were you, i would personally say that i've found myself a new workout buddy.
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    Jun 13, 2013 2:15 AM GMT
    Matiz saidWorking out legs fixes everything.


    Really, my legs are quite defined, muscled and veiny, which BTW im not a fan of veiny legs (on me). And my mid section seems as loose as ever! So I can BULLSHIT... but glad your back studly!!! icon_cool.gif
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    Jun 13, 2013 2:16 AM GMT
    *call..... icon_rolleyes.gif fuck
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    Jun 13, 2013 2:21 AM GMT
    Focus on your Diet.

    We all have abs... working them out will help to make them 'bigger' and more 'defined', but if you eat right anyone can achieve abs.
  • pelotudo87

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    Jun 13, 2013 10:48 PM GMT
    I think it's true that heavy compound exercises like Squats and Exercises do work the abs well. It is definitely possible to have good abs without directly working them provided they are worked indirectly from other exercises and you have a low bodyfat percentage.

    However, it does seem that they will be "bigger" if they are worked with resistance. Abs are like any other muscle--add some resistance and they will grow.
  • Slickdog21

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    Jun 13, 2013 10:51 PM GMT
    Why not workout your legs as well as your abs?
    What he says has some truth in it. Leg raises as well as many leg workouts can tighten up and tone the abs. But why not do some additional abdominal work on the side?
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    Jun 14, 2013 12:19 PM GMT
    Appreciate all the replies guys. Thank you icon_smile.gif

    He would have been a great workout buddy if he weren't leaving in a week icon_sad.gif

    And, like the last two posters said, I think I'll try to do both. Couldn't hurt. Good to know that those leg exercises will be working my abs.