A gay island community created by Italy's Fascists

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    Jun 13, 2013 9:19 AM GMT
    Seventy-five years ago in Fascist Italy, a group of gay men were labelled "degenerate", expelled from their homes and interned on an island. They were held under a prison regime - but some found life in the country's first openly gay community a liberating experience.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-22856586
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    Jun 13, 2013 9:38 AM GMT
    Link didn't work,didn't need the E on the end
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-22856586
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    Jun 13, 2013 9:45 AM GMT
    Thanks - corrected.
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    Jun 13, 2013 2:01 PM GMT
    Born and raised in Italy, I am surprised how much progress the country has made in a single generation. I grew up in a homophobic place. Once, I walked down the street in Rome holding hands with my lover, and a bunch of hicks in a car started pelting us with trash and calling us names. And this was in the 90s.

    Twenty years later, Italy is at the forefront of societal attitudes. The Pew Research Center global attitudes survey has Italy in the top tier of gay-friendly (by attitude) countries:

    PG_13.06.04_HomosexualityAccept_620.png

    That said, I always found Italy's rejection of homosexuality very odd. Italians are in love with sex in general, and homo sex is everywhere in sight. Even the ubiquitous straight hard core porn mags used to have at least one homo story in them. But I guess hypocrisy makes condemnation harsher, no?
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    Jun 13, 2013 2:14 PM GMT
    ^Well, I've never been there, but I was raised Catholic, so I woukd guess it has something to do with that.
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    Jun 13, 2013 2:27 PM GMT
    Ex_Mil8 saidSeventy-five years ago in Fascist Italy, a group of gay men were labelled "degenerate", expelled from their homes and interned on an island. They were held under a prison regime - but some found life in the country's first openly gay community a liberating experience.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-22856586


    I think your link has an extra e in it. magazine-22856586E

    s/b http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-22856586

    themachine said... But I guess hypocrisy makes condemnation harsher, no?


    ...as condemnation can make the sex seem hotter.
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    Jun 13, 2013 3:15 PM GMT
    For Italian films on gay life,try seeing:
    Le fate ignoranti (retitled in english His Secret Life) - charming

    Uomini uomini uomini (Men, Men, Men) a film about 4 closeted mammoni (guys who have mom cook for them daily) (gay of course) Funny but dated.

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    Suetonius saidFor Italian films on gay life,try seeing:
    Le fate ignoranti (retitled in english His Secret Life) - charming

    Uomini uomini uomini (Men, Men, Men) a film about 4 closeted mammoni (guys who have mom cook for them daily) (gay of course) Funny but dated.



    MOVIES! I wanna watch! I'll look those up later. Today is a rainy day, perfect for movies and hot cocoa.
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    Jun 13, 2013 7:45 PM GMT
    HottJoe said^Well, I've never been there, but I was raised Catholic, so I woukd guess it has something to do with that.


    How can you say that? The Catholioc Church didn't round up anyone and imprison them for their homosexuality; it was a fascist government that did.

    I was raised Catholic too. I went to mass every Sunday and I mean EVERY Sunday. You had to be leaking bodily fluids from every oriface before my parents allowed you to miss Sunday mass. On top of that, I went to Catholic School through high school and was made to go to mass at least one a week during the school year. Never once in all those years did I ever hear a sermon against homosexuality. I never heard a sermon on homosexuality. Never was I taught nor was it ever preached that sinners should be locked away or imprisoned for their sins.

    Yes, the Church does not condone homosexual behavior or any other behavior it considers sinful, but that is its right. But NEVER had I heard a sermon or read Church doctrine in which it was taught that homosexuals should be imprisoned for simply being homosexual.

    And I'm quite certain that in the pre-sexual revolution, pre-Vatican II Church you would have been hard pressed to hear anyone preaching about human sexuality (hetero or homo) from the pulpit. Sensibilities of the times and the fact that their are small children at mass would make it most inappropriate.
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    Jun 13, 2013 11:10 PM GMT
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    HottJoe said^Well, I've never been there, but I was raised Catholic, so I woukd guess it has something to do with that.


    How can you say that? The Catholioc Church didn't round up anyone and imprison them for their homosexuality; it was a fascist government that did.


    Simply put he can say that because the Catholic Church has taught hatred for Jews, gays, science, and progress since the time of Galileo.
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    Jun 13, 2013 11:15 PM GMT
    "We notice that many public dances, beaches and places in the mountains receive many of these sick men, and that youngsters from all social classes look for their company," he wrote."

    Well, that explains all those enterprising young straights and their YouTube videos. They go where the money is!

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    Jun 13, 2013 11:29 PM GMT
    thecyclist89 said
    Suetonius saidFor Italian films on gay life,try seeing:
    Le fate ignoranti (retitled in english His Secret Life) - charming

    Uomini uomini uomini (Men, Men, Men) a film about 4 closeted mammoni (guys who have mom cook for them daily) (gay of course) Funny but dated.



    MOVIES! I wanna watch! I'll look those up later. Today is a rainy day, perfect for movies and hot cocoa.


    When talking about fascist Italy, movies, and sex, you got to mention Salo - or the 120 days of Sodom. Not for the easily offended, though...
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    Jun 13, 2013 11:37 PM GMT
    Oh my gosh, I read about this earlier this morning before class. It was interesting to hear how although they had to be segregated from society, life wasn't too bad for them. Or at least it could have been much worse.
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    themachine saidBorn and raised in Italy, I am surprised how much progress the country has made in a single generation. I grew up in a homophobic place. Once, I walked down the street in Rome holding hands with my lover, and a bunch of hicks in a car started pelting us with trash and calling us names. And this was in the 90s.

    Twenty years later, Italy is at the forefront of societal attitudes. The Pew Research Center global attitudes survey has Italy in the top tier of gay-friendly (by attitude) countries:

    PG_13.06.04_HomosexualityAccept_620.png

    That said, I always found Italy's rejection of homosexuality very odd. Italians are in love with sex in general, and homo sex is everywhere in sight. Even the ubiquitous straight hard core porn mags used to have at least one homo story in them. But I guess hypocrisy makes condemnation harsher, no?




    This is so fucking wrong! How in the hell is Uruguay "white"?! They just legalized gay marriage a few months ago.
    While some countries have carved out new territory for gay and lesbian couples without affecting heterosexual marrieds, Uruguay has created a single set of rules for all people, gay or straight. Instead of the words "husband and wife" in marriage contracts, it refers to the gender-neutral "contracting parties."All couples will get to decide which parent's surname comes first when they have children. All couples can adopt, or undergo in-vitro fertilization procedures. That map needs a BIG update!
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    Jun 13, 2013 11:52 PM GMT
    may11 said


    This is so fucking wrong! How in the hell is Uruguay "white"?! They just legalized gay marriage a few months ago.
    While some countries have carved out new territory for gay and lesbian couples without affecting heterosexual marrieds, Uruguay has created a single set of rules for all people, gay or straight. Instead of the words "husband and wife" in marriage contracts, it refers to the gender-neutral "contracting parties."All couples will get to decide which parent's surname comes first when they have children. All couples can adopt, or undergo in-vitro fertilization procedures. That map needs a BIG update!


    Relax! Completely white on this map just means they don't have enough data.
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    Jun 13, 2013 11:53 PM GMT
    HottJoe said^Well, I've never been there, but I was raised Catholic, so I woukd guess it has something to do with that.

    Italians are similar to Latinos when it comes to how they view masculinity/machoness. I'm guessing that's another factor.