What is the value of Effort?

  • Drift

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    Jun 15, 2013 11:57 AM GMT
    Simple enough question I guess, and you can take it into whatever context you like.

    At the moment I'm looking at it from the perspective of physical training. When and how does effort-ing aid you, and if not, why?

    What are the distinctions between effort, intention, purpose, drive, etc.?

  • HottJoe

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    Jun 15, 2013 1:27 PM GMT
    $79 per month.
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    Jun 15, 2013 2:15 PM GMT
    I believe effort is good for realizing my potential. When i was younger i really had a bad habit of giving half effort especially if i felt i wasnt as good as my friends whether in sports or video games etc. Most likely a defense mechanism.
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    Jun 15, 2013 2:28 PM GMT
    It depends on the context. In the gym, effort is everything because effort = results.

    There are many other aspects of life where effort may be nice, but only results count.

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    Jun 15, 2013 9:49 PM GMT
    Effort -> Reward.
  • Drift

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    Jun 16, 2013 7:11 AM GMT
    Effort = results/reward?

    Are the results and rewards the point of the effort?

    Is it possible to work well without effort?
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    Jun 16, 2013 7:25 AM GMT
    Drift saidIs it possible to work well without effort?


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    Jun 16, 2013 7:30 AM GMT
    Effort is mostly required for generally all facets of life where we seek progress/results. Many times, however, effort will not yield results, particularly in the more complex facets of our life (e.g. sustained effort will get the work at our job done, but that consistent effort will not necessarily result in a promotion which someone who puts in less effort may get ahead of us for different reasons. Or most classically, without the effort to go out and make ourselves available we may not meet someone but the effort we put in has nothing to do with whether we'll find someone).

    As far as physically, effort is only one small component, such as in consistency or assiduity.
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    Jun 16, 2013 7:32 AM GMT
    HottJoe said$79 per month.


    I call it.....THE PRICE OF BEAUTY...

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    Jun 16, 2013 7:39 AM GMT
    jmusmc85 said
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    depends if I swallow
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    Jun 16, 2013 1:24 PM GMT
    None what so ever.
    Many triumph with no effort.
    Many fail with much.

    (You can quote me on that because it sounds SO erudite )
  • NeuralShock

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    Jun 16, 2013 1:38 PM GMT
    Intention without application is fruitless.

    Purpose without application is fruitless.

    Drive without application is fruitless.

    It is only effort that will actually give you results. Move, even blindly if must be, with effort and you will move forward.
    Without effort you will, however, not move forward... effort is key to success in any aspect of life.

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    Jun 16, 2013 1:56 PM GMT
    Drift saidWhat are the distinctions between effort, intention, purpose, drive, etc.?

    Effort- how much energy you are able to put in willingly.
    Intention - to achieve a goal.
    Purpose - why are you doing this? For what kind of results?
    Drive - inspiration & motivation.
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    Jun 16, 2013 1:57 PM GMT
    HottJoe said$79 per month.


    Damn. My effort costs me $477/mo. I must be doing something wrong!
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    Jun 16, 2013 2:26 PM GMT
    Effort has no value in itself. It's a necessary inconvenience to reach some goals.

    It's the price to pay to get what you want.
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    Jun 16, 2013 2:30 PM GMT
    jmusmc85 said
    HottJoe said$79 per month.


    I call it.....THE PRICE OF BEAUTY...

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    Maybe she's born with it....icon_wink.gificon_lol.gif
  • HottJoe

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    Jun 16, 2013 2:31 PM GMT
    Matiz said
    jmusmc85 said
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    depends if I swallow

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    Jun 16, 2013 4:11 PM GMT
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  • MikeW

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    Jun 16, 2013 4:29 PM GMT
    Drift saidEffort = results/reward?

    Are the results and rewards the point of the effort?

    Is it possible to work well without effort?

    I suspected you might be headed in this (effort/effortless) direction, especially with the inclusion of "intention".

    My answer is a non-answer because the question is more interesting to me than whatever my thoughts about it may be. Intention-attention: What and or who I am is the result of the quality of my attention.
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    Jun 16, 2013 4:34 PM GMT
    Effort is part of the currency exchange. Take it out of the diagram and the currency crashes.

    It starts with: need
    Followed by: inspiration/idea
    Next is: understanding
    Moderated by: editing
    Then: planning
    On to: practice
    Coupled with: effort, work
    Leads to: application
    And then: progress
    And eventually: result (need fulfilled)

    Then, for the smarter, more industrious among you: critique
    Leading to: reevaluation
    Reassessment of: need
    Repeat...