McCain-Palin Wins!

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    Nov 02, 2008 12:45 PM GMT
    What if you woke-up on Nov. 5 morning realizing that America chose the McCain-Palin ticket to lead USA for the next 4 years. What will you do?

    I'm getting the impression that the world (not just the US) had been brainwashed (maybe that word is too harsh) to be ready for Barack Obama. But what if it goes the other way? Will you be the first to leave the earth as Tina Fey said she would?
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    Nov 02, 2008 12:46 PM GMT
    I'm sure we'll deal with it. The world has been stuck with Bush for 4 years I'm sure it won't be much different. More war. More money being spent on foreign battles. More money funnelled to the rich.
  • GQjock

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    Nov 02, 2008 12:50 PM GMT
    At this point?
    I think they will be rioting in the streets

    We had a stolen election back in 2000

    If this goes to McCain after all this?
    They might as well throw away the key
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    Nov 02, 2008 3:00 PM GMT
    McCain-Palin Wins!

    US Loses
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Nov 02, 2008 3:02 PM GMT
    I would let out a great big SIGH of relief and be thrilled. icon_lol.gif I'm not expecting this to happen, but one can hope.

    That said, GQjock's response disturbs me because I think there probably is some truth to that, and I find that very sad. If I wake up November 5th to a President Elect Obama, no, I''m not going to be happy about it, but I'll be a good sport and support him as our President and give him the chance to prove to me and others who didn't vote for him that he's worthy of the job. I'd like to think those who supported him would at least try to do the same for McCain. Sadly, I think it wouldn't be that way. We'd see a lot of whining and conspiracy theories and maybe even some rioting.
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    Nov 02, 2008 3:12 PM GMT
    I guess I will be sick a lot from having to look at
    Sarah "I am as dumb as box of rocks" Palin. May I will move to Mexico.
  • ueatzit

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    Nov 02, 2008 3:15 PM GMT
    If the McCain-Palin ticket wins then I will be left searching for a country populated by people and government more aligned with my views. Go ahead and call me unpatriotic for contemplating that, but the truth is my bf and I are pretty mobile and educated. By and large, people with similar backgrounds I feel would share similar political views as us and there might be a nationwide brain drain if we don't have progressive policies on health care, research, education and civil rights.
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    Nov 02, 2008 3:17 PM GMT
    redheadguy saidI'm sure we'll deal with it. The world has been stuck with Bush for 4 years I'm sure it won't be much different. More war. More money being spent on foreign battles. More money funnelled to the rich.


    Wrong Wrong and more wrong. Is there anywhere on this site or the gay community for that matter where there is no marxism?!?
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    Nov 02, 2008 3:24 PM GMT
    ueatzit saidIf the McCain-Palin ticket wins then I will be left searching for a country populated by people and government more aligned with my views. Go ahead and call me unpatriotic for contemplating that, but the truth is my bf and I are pretty mobile and educated. By and large, people with similar backgrounds I feel would share similar political views as us and there might be a nationwide brain drain if we don't have progressive policies on health care, research, education and civil rights.


    Being an anti-gay state is precisely the reason that we moved from Florida to Massachusetts. Florida's amendment two was the last straw for me. My thinking was that if Florida doesn't think we are good enough for equal rights then we will just take our money, our tax dollars, and our talents and go somewhere else. Done!

    PS: Even if amendment two fails in Florida, it will still be illegal to marry or adopt in Florida. We have no interest in adopting any children, but that's not the point.
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    Nov 02, 2008 3:24 PM GMT
    i dont remember the last time i cried, i think that would do it though.
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    Nov 02, 2008 3:25 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ saidI would let out a great big SIGH of relief and be thrilled. icon_lol.gif I'm not expecting this to happen, but one can hope.

    That said, GQjock's response disturbs me because I think there probably is some truth to that, and I find that very sad. If I wake up November 5th to a President Elect Obama, no, I''m not going to be happy about it, but I'll be a good sport and support him as our President and give him the chance to prove to me and others who didn't vote for him that he's worthy of the job. I'd like to think those who supported him would at least try to do the same for McCain. Sadly, I think it wouldn't be that way. We'd see a lot of whining and conspiracy theories and maybe even some rioting.


    Well I can support McCain as president. He has to prove to me that he is the right person for the job. I reluctantly support Bush when he got SELECTED. But he prove to be a total disaster like I tried to point out to people who did vote for him. Now they all listen to what I have to say. To bad they did not 4 or 8 yrs ago.
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    Nov 02, 2008 3:27 PM GMT
    I'm already thinking of moving out of the US for various reasons, another 4 years of Republican presidency would be the final straw! I would definitely be moving. Tired of being a second class citizen and constantly under attack from the Republican party.
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    Nov 02, 2008 3:30 PM GMT
    If McCain/Palin were to win, I'd probably learn some prayers and pray every day that McCain stays healthy and that Palin, for some reason, needs to have her jaw wired shut.
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    Nov 02, 2008 3:33 PM GMT
    It may be a shock if it happened, but if it did, McCain could not lead as a hard conservative, not with the clear dominance of Democrats that will be in Congress. IF one or two of the Supreme Court Justices were to retire, I would hope it would be in the first two years, while Congress has that progressive ratio.
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    Nov 02, 2008 3:35 PM GMT
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    redheadguy saidI'm sure we'll deal with it. The world has been stuck with Bush for 4 years I'm sure it won't be much different. More war. More money being spent on foreign battles. More money funnelled to the rich.

    Wrong Wrong and more wrong. Is there anywhere on this site or the gay community for that matter where there is no marxism?!?

    There is no better ignorance detector than the douche who calls everyone else a Marxist/Socialist/Communist/Fascist/Nazi. Or "extremist" or "radical" for that matter.
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    Nov 02, 2008 3:36 PM GMT
    Philadelphiabound said
    redheadguy saidI'm sure we'll deal with it. The world has been stuck with Bush for 4 years I'm sure it won't be much different. More war. More money being spent on foreign battles. More money funnelled to the rich.


    Wrong Wrong and more wrong. Is there anywhere on this site or the gay community for that matter where there is no marxism?!?


    Ironic that the conditions for class conflict that Marx discussed, especially the uneven distribution of wealth, have worsened during the Bush years. The middle class has declined, the poor have increased, and the rich have acquired a greater percentage of the total wealth.

    The Republicans have therefore generated new interest in the same Marxist theories that you decry. When there is some sense of fairness in our society and economy, the theories of Marx are of merely academic interest. When people see their own welfare declining according to Marxist models of exploitation, then interest in Marx increases.

    Of course, since a key element of Marxism is that the workers should control the means of production, then George Bush and his Treasury Secretary are more Marxist than anyone since the FDR Administration during the Great Depression. Assuming that in a Democracy the government is the people, then federal takeovers of failed businesses on behalf of the workers is Marxism.

    Or is that socialism? Maybe fascism, since it IS the government. What it ain't is capitalism, and it was engineered by Republicans, who on the one hand slander the Democrats as Socialists, while moving the US closer to Socialism themselves on the other.
  • bmw0

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    Nov 02, 2008 3:51 PM GMT
    I think it's funny that people are contemplating leaving the country. I don't believe either candidate will be the end of a civilized U.S. We as a people have made a poor choice for the last two terms, but given that Bush seems to have knocked us around so badly, i think we are still standing upright. It shows our strength as a nation. If McCain or Obama wins, then we need to make sure that we dont lay down and let things slide as we seem to have done. If you dont agree with something, go do something about it. We need to concentrate on healing the bruises, not turning tail and running.

    Good luck to those of you who are packing your bags and relocating. Finding a country that is as great as this one is going to a challenge for you.
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    Nov 02, 2008 3:53 PM GMT
    Let's not forget that when 9/11 and the 2001 economic "downturn" (or as I like to say the second of the three "Bush" recessions - counting his fathers), the government asked the middle class to continue to spend money and put themselves further in debt - while giving a HUGE tax break to the top wage earners of this country - who make up 5 percent of the population of the US.

    While they gave that tax break, they also tightened Bankruptcy laws according to the credit card industry, put together an energy plan that benefited the energy companies without letting us know who advised this administration on the policy, and myriad other laws that benefited the rich and screwed the middle class, and promoted lending practices- through federal initiatives - that allowed individuals to take out loans (ARMs) on houses they couldn't afford - all while a Republican president and Republican-controlled Congress lined their own pockets.

    Now that the middle class is so far in debt, the ones who have been the engine of our economy while big business has downsized drastically and executive pay has increased exponentially for failures, the Republicans are calling the Democrats Marxists for wanting to go back to the fair tax code of the 1990s - a period that saw a budget surplus, whereas now we have the BIGGEST budget deficit EVER.

    The problem with Republican ideology regarding Reaganomics (or supply-side economics) is that they forgot one important component. GREED! Reaganomics in general could be a sound guiding principle, if those in power remember their altruism and the goal of the theory. Instead they've stolen exorbitant amounts of money from this country and have placed the biggest burden on the middle class - who simply can no longer afford it.

    Couple that with the recent $850 Billion bailout and that the wall street firms that got us into this mess are giving $20 Billion of that money (derived from taxes the middle class pays) as bonuses to people who FAILED, I think the Republicans would be wise to admit they messed up, look inside and find some new ideas - instead of calling the Democrats names that are designed to insight fear in the general population. (And remember - McCain is the big "anti-pork" senator - who on September 27th said this bill was not a place for pork - but voted for $150 Billion in pork projects anyways.)
  • HndsmKansan

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    Nov 02, 2008 4:00 PM GMT
    I think I would be stunned and find out what happened...... and no doubt I would have serious doubts about this country in perhaps a way I've never had previously.
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    Nov 02, 2008 4:07 PM GMT
    growingmusc saidThe problem with Republican ideology regarding Reaganomics (or supply-side economics) is that they forgot one important component. GREED!


    Yes, and why government regulation is necessary. Not stifling regulation, but enough regulation to limit greed & corruption.

    It's like our roads. We need the government to set speed limits & traffic lights because there will always be those who'll go too fast and run through intersections, endangering the rest of us.

    But speed limits set too low, or too many traffic lights and badly timed, will cause traffic jams. The Republicans succeeded in raising the speed limit too high, and removing too many traffic lights, and the result has been one of the biggest pileups our economy has ever seen.
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Nov 02, 2008 4:20 PM GMT
    Funny how, even with the Democrats controlling the house and senate the past two years, the Republicans always seem to be the ones who get the blame. Selective memory is rampant in these parts icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Nov 02, 2008 4:24 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ saidFunny how, even with the Democrats controlling the house and senate the past two years, the Republicans always seem to be the ones who get the blame. Selective memory is rampant in these parts icon_rolleyes.gif


    You must be kidding. Republicans get most of the blame because they're mostly responsible for the mess of the last 8 years. Thanks for the endless war, thanks for the massive debt, thanks for the right wing religious nuttery, and finally, thanks for the massive socialized bailout of your cronies and their companies.
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    Nov 02, 2008 4:26 PM GMT
    bmw0 saidI think it's funny that people are contemplating leaving the country. I don't believe either candidate will be the end of a civilized U.S. We as a people have made a poor choice for the last two terms, but given that Bush seems to have knocked us around so badly, i think we are still standing upright. It shows our strength as a nation. If McCain or Obama wins, then we need to make sure that we dont lay down and let things slide as we seem to have done. If you dont agree with something, go do something about it. We need to concentrate on healing the bruises, not turning tail and running.

    Good luck to those of you who are packing your bags and relocating. Finding a country that is as great as this one is going to a challenge for you.


    Yeah, we're still standing. It's just now that we are standing naked, without homes and jobs. Lol. But we're still standing!
  • MuslDrew

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    Nov 02, 2008 4:27 PM GMT
    dfrw said
    ueatzit saidIf the McCain-Palin ticket wins then I will be left searching for a country populated by people and government more aligned with my views. Go ahead and call me unpatriotic for contemplating that, but the truth is my bf and I are pretty mobile and educated. By and large, people with similar backgrounds I feel would share similar political views as us and there might be a nationwide brain drain if we don't have progressive policies on health care, research, education and civil rights.


    Being an anti-gay state is precisely the reason that we moved from Florida to Massachusetts. Florida's amendment two was the last straw for me. My thinking was that if Florida doesn't think we are good enough for equal rights then we will just take our money, our tax dollars, and our talents and go somewhere else. Done!

    PS: Even if amendment two fails in Florida, it will still be illegal to marry or adopt in Florida. We have no interest in adopting any children, but that's not the point.


    I have been thinking of relocating anyway. Having mostly lived in conservative midwest I'd like to spend more time in gay friendly areas, not just tolerant. I like Toronto & Amsterdam. I love the weather in southern CA though.
    I'm more concerned about a possible President Palin than I am McCain.
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Nov 02, 2008 4:28 PM GMT
    dfrw said
    CuriousJockAZ saidFunny how, even with the Democrats controlling the house and senate the past two years, the Republicans always seem to be the ones who get the blame. Selective memory is rampant in these parts icon_rolleyes.gif


    You must be kidding. Republicans get most of the blame because they're mostly responsible for the mess of the last 8 years. Thanks for the endless war, thanks for the massive debt, thanks for the right wing religious nuttery, and finally, thanks for the massive socialized bailout of your cronies and their companies.


    Like I said, selective memory...the dems voted for the war, the dems voted for the bail out...I could go on but what's the point. Let's just blame the Republicans if it makes you feel better. Politicians like Barney Frank and others had NOTHING to do with it. icon_rolleyes.gif