Playing with archetypes: I want to see a black actor play Superman & an Asian actor play James Bond or vice-versa :) .....

  • TannerMasseur

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    Jun 17, 2013 4:35 AM GMT
    Is it too much of a mindfuck if u played around with iconic figures such as Superman or James Bond & had a person of color audition & get the leading role? Would anyone care if their legendary icons such as Superman or Captain America or James Bond were played by a person of color? Or would it be too subversive for mainstream America & the movie-going world at large & be too much of a suspension of disbelief?.....

    The role of the American President has been played by black, Latino & women actors in movies & tv series. Technology, gadgets, devices, iPhones have all be reflected in Bond movies & the latest Superman & adapted to our changing times & zeitgeist---wouldn't it be cool to see the starring roles like Superman & James Bond be played by people of color? I mean, times have changed, are certain roles forever reserved for Eurocentric actors or can the typecast be broken?......
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    Jun 17, 2013 5:09 AM GMT
    i would prefer if some asians or people of colour wrote some awesome iconic characters of their own that the world so beloved that nobody but an asian or person of colour could play that part.

    But since you asked...it's already been done, did you miss it? He was asian for quite some time.

    dean-cain-superman1.jpg

    there are lots of variable superheroes though. Green lantern for one. Catwoman.




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    Jun 17, 2013 5:25 AM GMT
    Apparition saidi would prefer if some asians or people of colour wrote some awesome iconic characters of their own that the world so beloved that nobody but an asian or person of colour could play that part.

    But since you asked...it's already been done, did you miss it? He was asian for quite some time.

    dean-cain-superman1.jpg

    there are lots of variable superheroes though. Green lantern for one. Catwoman.






    I forgot about Dean Cain, he looked so Amerasian, I thought he was white (Japanese, French-Canadian, Irish, Welsh mix) icon_smile.gif
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    Why don't we make them gay, atheist pro choicers while we are at it? I'm all for diversity and I think it's a cool idea to spice things up but people won't see it. It was suggested Donald Glover play Spider man and fans went nuts. Fans do not like change. They flipped out when Black Widow supposedly replaced the wasp. I think doing lesser known heroes whatever you want or making new ones would work better.

    Also why are there not more female action heroes who aren't sex symbols?
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    Jun 17, 2013 6:01 AM GMT
    That won't happen anytime soon because that would cause profits to suffer.

    That said, I'm sure it's bound to happen eventually. So long as the Black/Asian guy looks white enough.
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    EuphoricDanger saidWhy don't we make them gay, atheist pro choicers while we are at it? I'm all for diversity and I think it's a cool idea to spice things up but people won't see it. It was suggested Donald Glover play Spider man and fans went nuts. Fans do not like change. They flipped out when Black Widow supposedly replaced the wasp. I think doing lesser known heroes whatever you want or making new ones would work better.

    Also why are there not more female action heroes who aren't sex symbols?


    Guess it's all about the ratings. Have to have the whole package. I mean who would go see an actor playing Superman with a less than perfect bone structure, square jaw, chiseled features, packing in all the muscles in all the right places? It's all about visual/visceral/sexual appeal & raising the pheromone level of ur target audience. Age-old formula that started with Valentino.....
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    nevz saidThat won't happen anytime soon because that would cause profits to suffer.

    That said, I'm sure it's bound to happen eventually. So long as the Black/Asian guy looks white enough.


    True, always have to get a higher percentage of white mixed in with u to get the starring role, the rest have to settle for side characters or comic relief.
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    EuphoricDanger saidWhy don't we make them gay, atheist pro choicers while we are at it? I'm all for diversity and I think it's a cool idea to spice things up but people won't see it. It was suggested Donald Glover play Spider man and fans went nuts. Fans do not like change. They flipped out when Black Widow supposedly replaced the wasp. I think doing lesser known heroes whatever you want or making new ones would work better.

    Also why are there not more female action heroes who aren't sex symbols?


    Guess it's all about the ratings. Have to have the whole package. I mean who would go see an actor playing Superman with a less than perfect bone structure, square jaw, chiseled features, packing in all the muscles in all the right places. It's all about visual/sexual appeal & raising the pheromone level of ur target audience. Age-old formula that started with Valentino.....


    True but with Superman he's seen as the all American hero despite being an alien technically. And unfortunately we aren't seen as entirely American despite what brainwashed liberal whites want you to think.
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    EuphoricDanger said
    spgem said
    EuphoricDanger saidWhy don't we make them gay, atheist pro choicers while we are at it? I'm all for diversity and I think it's a cool idea to spice things up but people won't see it. It was suggested Donald Glover play Spider man and fans went nuts. Fans do not like change. They flipped out when Black Widow supposedly replaced the wasp. I think doing lesser known heroes whatever you want or making new ones would work better.

    Also why are there not more female action heroes who aren't sex symbols?


    Guess it's all about the ratings. Have to have the whole package. I mean who would go see an actor playing Superman with a less than perfect bone structure, square jaw, chiseled features, packing in all the muscles in all the right places. It's all about visual/visceral/sexual appeal & raising the pheromone level of ur target audience. Age-old formula that started with Valentino.....


    True but with Superman he's seen as the all American hero despite being an alien technically. And unfortunately we aren't seen as entirely American despite what brainwashed liberal whites want you to think.


    I think the term "All-American" is so archaic. There are so many races in the US that are second & third generation born. Wouldn't that make them All-American too?
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    spgem said
    EuphoricDanger said
    spgem said
    EuphoricDanger saidWhy don't we make them gay, atheist pro choicers while we are at it? I'm all for diversity and I think it's a cool idea to spice things up but people won't see it. It was suggested Donald Glover play Spider man and fans went nuts. Fans do not like change. They flipped out when Black Widow supposedly replaced the wasp. I think doing lesser known heroes whatever you want or making new ones would work better.

    Also why are there not more female action heroes who aren't sex symbols?


    Guess it's all about the ratings. Have to have the whole package. I mean who would go see an actor playing Superman with a less than perfect bone structure, square jaw, chiseled features, packing in all the muscles in all the right places. It's all about visual/sexual appeal & raising the pheromone level of ur target audience. Age-old formula that started with Valentino.....


    True but with Superman he's seen as the all American hero despite being an alien technically. And unfortunately we aren't seen as entirely American despite what brainwashed liberal whites want you to think.


    I think the term "All-American" is so archaic. There are so many races in the US that are second & third generation born. Wouldn't that make them All-American too?


    Yes but hell black people have been here longer than most other ethnic groups besides those directly descended from the first English setters and Native Americans and yet when casting calls ask for all American boy types you can bet our black asses are not what they're talking about.

    And despite the title Native Americans aren't considered All American either which is funny considering they were here first.
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    idris elba as james bond. icon_biggrin.gif
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    For a Native American to be not All-American is an oxymoron icon_smile.gif
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    lordofthebling saididris elba as james bond. icon_biggrin.gif


    Not mulatto or octoroon enough, remember we're targeting mainstream America icon_smile.gif .....
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    lordofthebling saididris elba as james bond. icon_biggrin.gif


    Not mulatto or octoroon enough, remember we're targeting mainstream America icon_smile.gif .....


    but he's a sex symbol though. icon_biggrin.gif sex sells.
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    lordofthebling said
    spgem said
    lordofthebling saididris elba as james bond. icon_biggrin.gif


    Not mulatto or octoroon enough, remember we're targeting mainstream America icon_smile.gif .....


    but he's a sex symbol though. icon_biggrin.gif sex sells.


    Think white Bible Belt soccer mom. Think white high school Bible Belt cheerleader with a crush on white high school football captain. Think white gay twink with a crush on latest current white boyband. That's what we're catering to people. Get with the program!
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    Jun 17, 2013 6:45 AM GMT
    I think of Will Smith and Oprah as all American. I grew up watching both of them as much as anything. That's not to say there aren't racial issues here, and maybe it's exemplified in comic book characters. Most of them are from the WWII era anyway and they've been done to death. I have no interest in the new Superman. It would probably generate more interest if he were black, simply because that character has been stale for so long. Also, the only non sexualized female action hero I can think of is Ripley from Aliens. I can't think of any gay action heroes, though gay actors sometimes play straight in the roles.
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    spgem saidFor a Native American to be not All-American is an oxymoron icon_smile.gif


    Because all American means white.

    White people control mainstream media for the time being so they're gonna put what they wanna see on the screen unless we say something.

    Personally when I start doing my works I'm starting the trope of the funny white sexless straight sidekick. It's time the shoe was on the other foot.
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    HottJoe saidI think of Will Smith and Oprah as all American. I grew up watching both of them as much as anything. That's not to say there aren't racial issues here, and maybe it's exemplified in comic book characters. Most of them are from the WWII era anyway and they've been done to death. I have no interest in the new Superman. It would probably generate more interest if he were black, simply because that character has been stale for so long. Also, the only non sexualized female action hero I can think of is Ripley from Aliens. I can't think of any gay action heroes, though gay actors sometimes play straight in the roles.


    Love Will Smith when he played that drunk black superhero, so refreshing icon_smile.gif
    Oprah isn't All-American, she's God! Huge Sigourney Weaver Ripley fan, believe it or not, esp since I saw her shopping in my favorite store---ABC in Manhattan icon_smile.gif And gaydar says Henry Cavill is gay & not just wishful thinking on the part of the entire gay population living icon_smile.gif .....
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    HottJoe saidI think of Will Smith and Oprah as all American. I grew up watching both of them as much as anything. That's not to say there aren't racial issues here, and maybe it's exemplified in comic book characters. Most of them are from the WWII era anyway and they've been done to death. I have no interest in the new Superman. It would probably generate more interest if he were black, simply because that character has been stale for so long. Also, the only non sexualized female action hero I can think of is Ripley from Aliens. I can't think of any gay action heroes, though gay actors sometimes play straight in the roles.


    You may see them as that way but sadly that's not how the machine sees them. By casting standards they are black American. What's funny is that many whites do not fit into the all American archetype they are looking for. And all of this is illuminated by the fact Superman is played by a British person.

    It annoys me a lot there aren't more depictions of women especially women of color in action movies or roles where they are the heroes AND they are just normal looking women. I mean seriously why are all female action heroes in skin tight and/or skimpy outfits with high heels and a face of makeup? How is that even functional.
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    HottJoe saidI think of Will Smith and Oprah as all American. I grew up watching both of them as much as anything. That's not to say there aren't racial issues here, and maybe it's exemplified in comic book characters. Most of them are from the WWII era anyway and they've been done to death. I have no interest in the new Superman. It would probably generate more interest if he were black, simply because that character has been stale for so long. Also, the only non sexualized female action hero I can think of is Ripley from Aliens. I can't think of any gay action heroes, though gay actors sometimes play straight in the roles.



    Oprah isn't All-American, she's God!


    Amen.
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    spgem said
    HottJoe saidI think of Will Smith and Oprah as all American. I grew up watching both of them as much as anything. That's not to say there aren't racial issues here, and maybe it's exemplified in comic book characters. Most of them are from the WWII era anyway and they've been done to death. I have no interest in the new Superman. It would probably generate more interest if he were black, simply because that character has been stale for so long. Also, the only non sexualized female action hero I can think of is Ripley from Aliens. I can't think of any gay action heroes, though gay actors sometimes play straight in the roles.


    Love Will Smith when he played that drunk black superhero, so refreshing icon_smile.gif
    Oprah isn't All-American, she's God! Huge Sigourney Weaver Ripley fan, believe it or not, esp since I saw her shopping in my favorite store---ABC in Manhattan icon_smile.gif And gaydar says Henry Cavill is gay & not just wishful thinking on the part of the entire gay population icon_smile.gif .....


    Will Smith has played tons of action roles, but I was thinking of Fresh Prince of Bel Air. That's how I'll always think of him.
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    HottJoe saidI think of Will Smith and Oprah as all American. I grew up watching both of them as much as anything. That's not to say there aren't racial issues here, and maybe it's exemplified in comic book characters. Most of them are from the WWII era anyway and they've been done to death. I have no interest in the new Superman. It would probably generate more interest if he were black, simply because that character has been stale for so long. Also, the only non sexualized female action hero I can think of is Ripley from Aliens. I can't think of any gay action heroes, though gay actors sometimes play straight in the roles.


    You may see them as that way but sadly that's not how the machine sees them. By casting standards they are black American. What's funny is that many whites do not fit into the all American archetype they are looking for. And all of this is illuminated by the fact Superman is played by a British person.

    It annoys me a lot there aren't more depictions of women especially women of color in action movies or roles where they are the heroes AND they are just normal looking women. I mean seriously why are all female action heroes in skin tight and/or skimpy outfits with high heels and a face of makeup? How is that even functional.


    True, Henry Cavill is British. Wolverine is Australian.

    I think woman superheroes should be like Amazons unshaved with armpit hair icon_smile.gif They should use steroided up woman bodybuilder lesbians that from the back u can't tell if they're a guy or a girl, or worst yet, from the front....
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    spgem said
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    HottJoe saidI think of Will Smith and Oprah as all American. I grew up watching both of them as much as anything. That's not to say there aren't racial issues here, and maybe it's exemplified in comic book characters. Most of them are from the WWII era anyway and they've been done to death. I have no interest in the new Superman. It would probably generate more interest if he were black, simply because that character has been stale for so long. Also, the only non sexualized female action hero I can think of is Ripley from Aliens. I can't think of any gay action heroes, though gay actors sometimes play straight in the roles.


    You may see them as that way but sadly that's not how the machine sees them. By casting standards they are black American. What's funny is that many whites do not fit into the all American archetype they are looking for. And all of this is illuminated by the fact Superman is played by a British person.

    It annoys me a lot there aren't more depictions of women especially women of color in action movies or roles where they are the heroes AND they are just normal looking women. I mean seriously why are all female action heroes in skin tight and/or skimpy outfits with high heels and a face of makeup? How is that even functional.


    I think woman superheroes should be like Amazons unshaved with armpit hair icon_smile.gif They should use steroided up woman bodybuilder lesbians.


    Why can't we just use normal looking actresses or hell even pretty actresses but not constantly draw attention to the fact that they have boobs?

    Is that really so hard to do?
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    Jun 17, 2013 7:19 AM GMT
    EuphoricDanger said
    spgem said
    EuphoricDanger said
    HottJoe saidI think of Will Smith and Oprah as all American. I grew up watching both of them as much as anything. That's not to say there aren't racial issues here, and maybe it's exemplified in comic book characters. Most of them are from the WWII era anyway and they've been done to death. I have no interest in the new Superman. It would probably generate more interest if he were black, simply because that character has been stale for so long. Also, the only non sexualized female action hero I can think of is Ripley from Aliens. I can't think of any gay action heroes, though gay actors sometimes play straight in the roles.


    You may see them as that way but sadly that's not how the machine sees them. By casting standards they are black American. What's funny is that many whites do not fit into the all American archetype they are looking for. And all of this is illuminated by the fact Superman is played by a British person.

    It annoys me a lot there aren't more depictions of women especially women of color in action movies or roles where they are the heroes AND they are just normal looking women. I mean seriously why are all female action heroes in skin tight and/or skimpy outfits with high heels and a face of makeup? How is that even functional.


    I think woman superheroes should be like Amazons unshaved with armpit hair icon_smile.gif They should use steroided up woman bodybuilder lesbians.


    Why can't we just use normal looking actresses or hell even pretty actresses but not constantly draw attention to the fact that they have boobs?

    Is that really so hard to do?


    Remember target audience: straight walking hormone teen boys & men & lipstick & butch lesbians.....
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    spgem said
    EuphoricDanger said
    spgem said
    EuphoricDanger said
    HottJoe saidI think of Will Smith and Oprah as all American. I grew up watching both of them as much as anything. That's not to say there aren't racial issues here, and maybe it's exemplified in comic book characters. Most of them are from the WWII era anyway and they've been done to death. I have no interest in the new Superman. It would probably generate more interest if he were black, simply because that character has been stale for so long. Also, the only non sexualized female action hero I can think of is Ripley from Aliens. I can't think of any gay action heroes, though gay actors sometimes play straight in the roles.


    You may see them as that way but sadly that's not how the machine sees them. By casting standards they are black American. What's funny is that many whites do not fit into the all American archetype they are looking for. And all of this is illuminated by the fact Superman is played by a British person.

    It annoys me a lot there aren't more depictions of women especially women of color in action movies or roles where they are the heroes AND they are just normal looking women. I mean seriously why are all female action heroes in skin tight and/or skimpy outfits with high heels and a face of makeup? How is that even functional.


    I think woman superheroes should be like Amazons unshaved with armpit hair icon_smile.gif They should use steroided up woman bodybuilder lesbians.


    Why can't we just use normal looking actresses or hell even pretty actresses but not constantly draw attention to the fact that they have boobs?

    Is that really so hard to do?


    Remember target audience: straight walking hormone teen boys & men & lipstick & butch lesbians.....


    Then maybe there needs to come a time when you elevate your audience's taste.