Jay Leno in the 2014 Cadillac ELR

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    Jun 17, 2013 5:20 AM GMT
    http://www.jaylenosgarage.com/video/2014-cadillac-elr/1433420/
  • isuflyboy

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    Jun 17, 2013 2:26 PM GMT
    I love the new Cadillacs. They're just amazing. I have a 2012 cts-v and I love it
  • rnch

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    Jun 17, 2013 3:03 PM GMT
    Although I can admire their Much Improved drivetrains from a few years ago; Cadillac's continued styling usage of right angles and slight curves still leaves me cold.

    There is NOTHING in 2013 to compare to the classy lines of the1960's and 1970's.
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    rnch saidAlthough I can admire their Much Improved drivetrains from a few years ago; Cadillac's continued styling usage of right angles and slight curves still leaves me cold.

    There is NOTHING in 2013 to compare to the classy lines of the1960's and 1970's.


    If I were to spend $60 - 75k on a cadillac, I still think I would put the money into a 1961-1966 Eldorado vert.

    The 65 and 66s are great driving cars when equipped with modern shocks and tires. Parking can be an issue, but one wouldn't use something like this as a daily driver anyway. At least you can see the four corners of the car (way way out there)


    http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Simply-and-piece-art-1961-Cadillac-Deville-Convertible-loaded-and-drives-new-/111099276176?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item19de086b90

    http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1963-CADILLAC-ELDORADO-BIARRITZ-CONVERTIBLE-FACTORY-AIR-CONDITIONING-RESTORED-/390610289325?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item5af23002ad

    http://www.fleetofcads.com/jocon66eldo.htm
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    Jun 18, 2013 12:08 AM GMT
    freedomisntfree saidhttp://www.jaylenosgarage.com/video/2014-cadillac-elr/1433420/


    You could see Jay Leno restraining himself from saying the front of the car is a disappointment , it being a total fake, non functional piece of overdone chrome . I agree that the rear is very well done. The otherwise cleanly designed car is another miss like the Volt. Its interesting to hear and see the the guys that can't get it right.
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    freedomisntfree saidhttp://www.jaylenosgarage.com/video/2014-cadillac-elr/1433420/


    You could see Jay Leno restraining himself from saying the front of the car is a disappointment , it being a total fake, non functional piece of overdone chrome . I agree that the rear is very well done. The otherwise cleanly designed car is another miss like the Volt. Its interesting to hear and see the the guys that can't get it right.


    Nope, I've talked to him personally, face to face, about his volt. He likes it a lot.

    http://www.engadget.com/2011/11/19/jay-lenos-chevy-volt-still-has-original-tank-of-gas-11-000-mil/
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    Jun 18, 2013 12:31 AM GMT
    rnch saidAlthough I can admire their Much Improved drivetrains from a few years ago; Cadillac's continued styling usage of right angles and slight curves still leaves me cold.

    There is NOTHING in 2013 to compare to the classy lines of the1960's and 1970's.


    I love those 1970's Eldorados
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    Jun 18, 2013 12:47 AM GMT
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    Alpha13 said
    freedomisntfree saidhttp://www.jaylenosgarage.com/video/2014-cadillac-elr/1433420/


    You could see Jay Leno restraining himself from saying the front of the car is a disappointment , it being a total fake, non functional piece of overdone chrome . I agree that the rear is very well done. The otherwise cleanly designed car is another miss like the Volt. Its interesting to hear and see the the guys that can't get it right.


    Nope, I've talked to him personally, face to face, about his volt. He likes it a lot.

    http://www.engadget.com/2011/11/19/jay-lenos-chevy-volt-still-has-original-tank-of-gas-11-000-mil/


    He may like it as a curiosity. But the Volt is a huge disappointment for us fans that followed it from its first car show appearance looking like a 1955 Nomad 2 door station wagon. The second prototype was even OK but the warmed over Malibu looking production car was a huge mistake and the slow sales supports that statement.
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    MadeinMich said
    rnch saidAlthough I can admire their Much Improved drivetrains from a few years ago; Cadillac's continued styling usage of right angles and slight curves still leaves me cold.

    There is NOTHING in 2013 to compare to the classy lines of the1960's and 1970's.


    I love those 1970's Eldorados


    By 1971 it was all over. Sloppy fit and finish with body panel gaps of a 1/2" or more .... doors that sounded like they were shutting 10 times by the time all the back and forth momentum of the 200 pound doors stopped. Cheap looking plastic, fake wood, etc.

    If you want a really high quality, fine driving Cadillac, look no further than 65 or 66
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    freedomisntfree said
    Alpha13 said
    freedomisntfree saidhttp://www.jaylenosgarage.com/video/2014-cadillac-elr/1433420/


    You could see Jay Leno restraining himself from saying the front of the car is a disappointment , it being a total fake, non functional piece of overdone chrome . I agree that the rear is very well done. The otherwise cleanly designed car is another miss like the Volt. Its interesting to hear and see the the guys that can't get it right.


    Nope, I've talked to him personally, face to face, about his volt. He likes it a lot.

    http://www.engadget.com/2011/11/19/jay-lenos-chevy-volt-still-has-original-tank-of-gas-11-000-mil/


    He may like it as a curiosity. But the Volt is a huge disappointment for us fans that followed it from its first car show appearance looking like a 1955 Nomad 2 door station wagon. The second prototype was even OK but the warmed over Malibu looking production car was a huge mistake and the slow sales supports that statement.


    It IS a curiosity, but a very usable one plus can be used as a daily driver. Looks are subjective, but IMO its light years better looking than the Leaf or Prius, and to its credit, doesn't scream democrat.
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    Jun 18, 2013 1:42 AM GMT
    I'm torn between the ELR and Tesla Model S for my next car.

    The Cadillac is less expensive and I get the GM family discount through my dad on top of that, so that is the major consideration for the ELR. The Tesla really adds up when you start piling on options and upgrades.

    The cons for the ELR for me are the size and availability. As a cyclist, being able to lug around a bike is a big thing for me and the Tesla has enormous cargo space with the seats dropped for a sedan.
    I've driven the CTS coupe and enjoyed it, but I'd hate to have to take 3 adult passengers anywhere in it with nearly zero leg room in the back. As far as availability goes, my current lease is up in January and I'm not sure the ELR will be out yet.

    I don't have "range anxiety" since I've only driven on three trips in excess of 300 miles in the 2.5 years I've had my current car and Tesla supercharging stations will take care of that.

    Decisions, decisions.
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    Jun 18, 2013 1:55 AM GMT
    Buy the ELR with the family discount. Sell it. Use the proceeds to get the Tesla. icon_biggrin.gif
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    Jun 18, 2013 2:18 AM GMT
    The discount isn't big enough to overcome the drop-off in value the minute you drive a new car off the lot.

    When we lived in Detroit growing up, however, my dad used to buy used company cars with low miles from GM. He had to contractually hold onto them for six months. He made money on those cars. Between the time I got my learner's permit and high school graduation, we owned 17 cars. When I tell that story, people say I must have been in heaven as a teenaged boy with access to that many cars until I tell them that no kid feels cool cruising around town in an 80's Buick Skylark or an Olds Cutlas Cierra.
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    Jun 18, 2013 2:30 AM GMT
    I really like the styling of the ELR, however, I just can't wait to see the price tag....

    "EEEEKKKKKK!"
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    Jun 18, 2013 2:58 AM GMT
    freedomisntfree said
    rnch saidAlthough I can admire their Much Improved drivetrains from a few years ago; Cadillac's continued styling usage of right angles and slight curves still leaves me cold.

    There is NOTHING in 2013 to compare to the classy lines of the1960's and 1970's.


    If I were to spend $60 - 75k on a cadillac, I still think I would put the money into a 1961-1966 Eldorado vert.

    The 65 and 66s are great driving cars when equipped with modern shocks and tires. Parking can be an issue, but one wouldn't use something like this as a daily driver anyway. At least you can see the four corners of the car (way way out there)


    http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Simply-and-piece-art-1961-Cadillac-Deville-Convertible-loaded-and-drives-new-/111099276176?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item19de086b90

    http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1963-CADILLAC-ELDORADO-BIARRITZ-CONVERTIBLE-FACTORY-AIR-CONDITIONING-RESTORED-/390610289325?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item5af23002ad

    http://www.fleetofcads.com/jocon66eldo.htm



    It's too hot, humid and rainy in New Orleans for a drop top. Gimmie a first year, front wheel drive El Dorado or Toronado.


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    Jun 18, 2013 3:00 AM GMT
    freedomisntfree said
    MadeinMich said
    rnch saidAlthough I can admire their Much Improved drivetrains from a few years ago; Cadillac's continued styling usage of right angles and slight curves still leaves me cold.

    There is NOTHING in 2013 to compare to the classy lines of the1960's and 1970's.


    I love those 1970's Eldorados


    By 1971 it was all over. Sloppy fit and finish with body panel gaps of a 1/2" or more .... doors that sounded like they were shutting 10 times by the time all the back and forth momentum of the 200 pound doors stopped. Cheap looking plastic, fake wood, etc.

    If you want a really high quality, fine driving Cadillac, look no further than 65 or 66


    Well, THIS is what my family used to take cross country trips in when I was a kid, so I'm a bit biased.

    1977%20Cadillac%20Eldorado.JPG
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    Jun 18, 2013 3:18 AM GMT
    I love my Cadillac cts-v and I can't wait to get the new one once it is released this fall. I think the ELR is a bold move for Cadillac but I think the styling is spot on. But when most people think of Cadillac you think of big, chrome, and v8's, not a hybrid
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    Jun 18, 2013 3:46 AM GMT
    Does anyone else think the sexiest car in that Leno video is the Citroen DS in the background when they were looking at the ELR tail lights?
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    erik911sd saidDoes anyone else think the sexiest car in that Leno video is the Citroen DS in the background when they were looking at the ELR tail lights?


    I do !! When you think the Citroen DS was launched in 1955/56 , it is still now a design of its own ..
    Also the car was bloody ahead of his time , with his hydraulic system for the suspension , steering , braking , and clutchless 4 speed gearbox ..
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    Jun 18, 2013 6:04 AM GMT
    I dunno.. For the suggested $60K sticker price, it might be better to just get a base Corvette and use the leftover change to buy a Prius C as a grocery getter.
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    Jun 18, 2013 5:51 PM GMT
    rnch said
    freedomisntfree said
    rnch saidAlthough I can admire their Much Improved drivetrains from a few years ago; Cadillac's continued styling usage of right angles and slight curves still leaves me cold.

    There is NOTHING in 2013 to compare to the classy lines of the1960's and 1970's.


    If I were to spend $60 - 75k on a cadillac, I still think I would put the money into a 1961-1966 Eldorado vert.

    The 65 and 66s are great driving cars when equipped with modern shocks and tires. Parking can be an issue, but one wouldn't use something like this as a daily driver anyway. At least you can see the four corners of the car (way way out there)


    http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Simply-and-piece-art-1961-Cadillac-Deville-Convertible-loaded-and-drives-new-/111099276176?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item19de086b90

    http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1963-CADILLAC-ELDORADO-BIARRITZ-CONVERTIBLE-FACTORY-AIR-CONDITIONING-RESTORED-/390610289325?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item5af23002ad

    http://www.fleetofcads.com/jocon66eldo.htm



    It's too hot, humid and rainy in New Orleans for a drop top.

    Agree with you there. Even in central Ohio there are about 10 days per year that are perfect for a vert

    Gimmie a first year, front wheel drive El Dorado or Toronado.


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    What I've been trying to get away from for about 30 years is front wheel drive, although I will admit that the 66 Toro and 67 Eldo did a pretty good job of it.
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    Jun 18, 2013 5:55 PM GMT
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    MadeinMich said
    rnch saidAlthough I can admire their Much Improved drivetrains from a few years ago; Cadillac's continued styling usage of right angles and slight curves still leaves me cold.

    There is NOTHING in 2013 to compare to the classy lines of the1960's and 1970's.


    I love those 1970's Eldorados


    By 1971 it was all over. Sloppy fit and finish with body panel gaps of a 1/2" or more .... doors that sounded like they were shutting 10 times by the time all the back and forth momentum of the 200 pound doors stopped. Cheap looking plastic, fake wood, etc.

    If you want a really high quality, fine driving Cadillac, look no further than 65 or 66


    Well, THIS is what my family used to take cross country trips in when I was a kid, so I'm a bit biased.

    1977%20Cadillac%20Eldorado.JPG


    Understood! I'm much older (than just about anyone and everyone) so my nostalgia sweet spot is much earlier. Still though, all around I think GM's pinnacle with the b-bodies (all brands) was 65 until 1970 and especially 1965 and 66

    Go about a decade earlier for a truly fine car. IMO, better in every way. After 1970 for the full size and 1972 for the A-body, I was done with domestic up until the last ten years or so