Lets get Microsoft to bring DRM back.

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    Jun 19, 2013 10:56 PM GMT
    http://gizmodo.com/the-xbox-one-just-got-way-worse-and-its-our-fault-514411905

    So I dont know if you heard but Microsoft just got rid of all the DRM that was previously announced for the XBOX One. The XBOX One will no longer require a 24 check internet connection and you can trade your discs as you please. This was thanks to many users online complaining about the DRM. Thanks to the ignorance of these users that never seemed to understand the major benefits gamers were getting with the DRM well Microsoft took it all back and now :

    1 - We can no longer play purchased discs without putting the disc in the tray every time we want to play.

    2 - We no longer get any sharing options. Family sharing is no longer possible, you cannot share your games with 10 of your family members simultaneously.

    3 - If anything happens to the disc purchased you will lose the game, there is no record of your purchase anywhere if it is disc based. You will have to repurchase a disc.

    4 - If you go to a friend's console you will not be able to play your purchased discs either since it requires you to physically have the disc on you to play it.

    So we are back to the 80s, thanks to a bunch of whiners online. Please sign this petition asking Microsoft for an opt in option for those who DO want the DRM and its benefits.

    CLICK TO SIGN
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    Jun 19, 2013 11:01 PM GMT
    "I have to take my game and have a physical copy of it if I want to play it elsewhere. Like I already do."
    "I have to make sure I don't lose it. Like I already should."
    "I can still download it onto my system and have a copy of it with me without physically having the disc but I can't share that data, like I already do."
    "You mean I have to put in the disc of that game I want to play in order to play it if I don't want to download it!? TRAVESTY!"

    Sounds like some whining to me.
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    Jun 19, 2013 11:05 PM GMT
    TrevorMark said"I have to take my game and have a physical copy of it if I want to play it elsewhere. Like I already do."
    "I have to make sure I don't lose it. Like I already should."
    "I can still download it onto my system and have a copy of it with me without physically having the disc but I can't share that data, like I already do."
    "You mean I have to put in the disc of that game I want to play in order to play it if I don't want to download it! TRAVESTY!"

    Sounds like some whining to me.


    Damn right it is my turn to whine. The major difference is that I understand the benefits of the options I was getting with the XBOX One, all those whining about the XBOX Limitations didnt bother for one second to read or come close to understand the major advantages behind them. They just whined and whined because they were afraid of change.
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    Jun 19, 2013 11:37 PM GMT
    So you want them to make a 360?
  • Fable

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    Jun 19, 2013 11:43 PM GMT
    no1curr
  • Rene_Aensland

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    Jun 19, 2013 11:46 PM GMT
    The biggest middle finger is to just switch.

    PS4.
    Easy.
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    Jun 19, 2013 11:58 PM GMT
    No body told them that they had to change. They did it on their own. And they should know that just because it isn't as well received as they would have liked, doesn't mean they should change it.

    And they could have still easily allowed the digital copy of the game to first buyers. That's what Sony did for their digital Vita games. I like the idea of digital games, but c'mon, the whole no used games thing was a little extreme. If anything, they should have done digital games and physical games as two entirely separate purchase items, and give consumers the option, instead of only one way.

    There were a million ways around this. Microsoft just doesn't have their stuff together
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    Jun 20, 2013 12:49 AM GMT
    fable saidno1curr



    i forgot xbox is too manly for this forum
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    Jun 20, 2013 12:54 AM GMT
    I'm still waiting for Ms. Pacman to make a comeback.....icon_cry.gif
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    Jun 20, 2013 12:55 AM GMT
    WaytoDawn saidNo body told them that they had to change. They did it on their own. And they should know that just because it isn't as well received as they would have liked, doesn't mean they should change it.

    And they could have still easily allowed the digital copy of the game to first buyers. That's what Sony did for their digital Vita games. I like the idea of digital games, but c'mon, the whole no used games thing was a little extreme. If anything, they should have done digital games and physical games as two entirely separate purchase items, and give consumers the option, instead of only one way.

    There were a million ways around this. Microsoft just doesn't have their stuff together


    When you still allow discs to be traded freely you have no choice but to set restrictions on the way gamers can share their digital purchases. You cannot support both effectively without sacrifiing one for the other. Microsoft made a choice that was the best model possible and too many idiots began to complain about it, enough to make them change their minds and keep the old system that has been dropped everywhere from the music industry to the software industry to the publishing industry, yet the gaming industry will be stuck with this shit for another 10 years.
  • Fable

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    Jun 20, 2013 1:02 AM GMT
    charlitos said
    fable saidno1curr



    i forgot xbox is too manly for this forum




    dont be butthurt carlos.
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    Jun 20, 2013 1:18 AM GMT
    fable said
    charlitos said
    fable saidno1curr



    i forgot xbox is too manly for this forum




    dont be butthurt carlos.



    if my butt hurts my butt hurts, your comments will not make the pain go away. Butt pain doesnt work like that.
  • Fable

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    Jun 20, 2013 1:24 AM GMT
    charlitos said
    fable said
    charlitos said
    fable saidno1curr



    i forgot xbox is too manly for this forum




    dont be butthurt carlos.



    if my butt hurts my butt hurts, your comments will not make the pain go away. Butt pain doesnt work like that.


    just think of my pretty face.
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    Jun 20, 2013 1:33 AM GMT
    charlitos said
    Damn right it is my turn to whine. The major difference is that I understand the benefits of the options I was getting with the XBOX They just whined and whined because they were afraid of change.

    1) People are in such transit nowadays there's no way one can be connected to the internet 100% of the time. There's a huge market of people they're missing by making someone be connected all the time, including if someones internet gets disconnected from an outage or they cannot pay for it anymore. They're no longer capable of gaming and that's fair to you?
    2) If you were banned for any reason and had bought any of those Xbox games from the marketplace, the games licenses were also taken away and you were no longer allowed to access anything making it a $500 paperweight. This does happen by false reports from others. At least with the current system, that person would still be able to play their purchased titles.
    3) Gamers have known for quite a long time that systems were going to eventually do this, however, them and the marketers both understand that with how unstable the world currently is, it is not that time to start it. Gamestop, one of the largest contributors to everything gaming would subsequently lose money. They're also the backers of much of the companies marketing. Even they saw it as a negative impact on their own business since more people would hack and just share their games with more than 10 people, or make it just as easy to download music as it would be to get new games on a hacked system. With the current system, the people still have to have interaction to borrow instead of thinking of a way to freely download from an unknown source and never paying for another game. Granted, this will still happen for some people, but much less with the open arrangement.


    So... until you can offer me a good argument as to why the DRM is a great idea for right now, I rest my case.
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    Jun 20, 2013 2:11 AM GMT
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    charlitos said
    Damn right it is my turn to whine. The major difference is that I understand the benefits of the options I was getting with the XBOX They just whined and whined because they were afraid of change.

    1) People are in such transit nowadays there's no way one can be connected to the internet 100% of the time. There's a huge market of people they're missing by making someone be connected all the time, including if someones internet gets disconnected from an outage or they cannot pay for it anymore. They're no longer capable of gaming and that's fair to you?
    2) If you were banned for any reason and had bought any of those Xbox games from the marketplace, the games licenses were also taken away and you were no longer allowed to access anything making it a $500 paperweight. This does happen by false reports from others. At least with the current system, that person would still be able to play their purchased titles.
    3) Gamers have known for quite a long time that systems were going to eventually do this, however, them and the marketers both understand that with how unstable the world currently is, it is not that time to start it. Gamestop, one of the largest contributors to everything gaming would subsequently lose money. They're also the backers of much of the companies marketing. Even they saw it as a negative impact on their own business since more people would hack and just share their games with more than 10 people, or make it just as easy to download music as it would be to get new games on a hacked system. With the current system, the people still have to have interaction to borrow instead of thinking of a way to freely download from an unknown source and never paying for another game. Granted, this will still happen for some people, but much less with the open arrangement.


    So... until you can offer me a good argument as to why the DRM is a great idea for right now, I rest my case.




    If in 2013 you require an explanation as to why digital is better than physical ownership of digital content, buddy you need help. Go read a book or something
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    Jun 20, 2013 2:36 AM GMT
    Wow, I wasn't online today much so I completely missed this.

    When I clicked on the link, I was ready to make a snarky comment (or try to, I'm not that good at being snarky icon_smile.gif ) but after reading your points, I can see where you are coming from and respect your points. As a Steam user, I do appreciate some of the benefits of digital media and can see why this is irritating to you.

    I think where Microsoft failed is in the messaging, which didn't explain the benefits well, and in the implementation, which came across as heavy handed and restrictive. To me, they way it was first presented, I got strong reminders of their Windows DRM, with its one license per user model (they later clarified the family plan). They didn't do themselves any favors either when they vaguely implied that if you borrowed a game to a friend, they would have to pay near full price to play.

    If Microsoft would have done a better job of selling the benefits of the digital model, it might not have gotten the backlash it did. Instead, they were unprepared for the inevitable questions about the DRM's restrictions, completely bungled the delivery and by the time they managed to clarify things, the media circus had started and hate bandwagon was already in motion.

    Sorry to hear that you are bummed about this change. If its any consolation, they probably will do this eventually, it will just roll out more slowly after people have started buying the systems (plural, because PS4 will probably do the same). This was a "oh shit, we're screwing up our launch" move, not a long term strategy change.
  • PR_GMR

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    Jun 20, 2013 2:42 AM GMT
    Nope. Don't think so. Microsoft got some sense and dropped their awful DRM scheme. Anyways, I'm getting a PS4.
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    Jun 20, 2013 2:46 AM GMT
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    WaytoDawn saidNo body told them that they had to change. They did it on their own. And they should know that just because it isn't as well received as they would have liked, doesn't mean they should change it.

    And they could have still easily allowed the digital copy of the game to first buyers. That's what Sony did for their digital Vita games. I like the idea of digital games, but c'mon, the whole no used games thing was a little extreme. If anything, they should have done digital games and physical games as two entirely separate purchase items, and give consumers the option, instead of only one way.

    There were a million ways around this. Microsoft just doesn't have their stuff together


    When you still allow discs to be traded freely you have no choice but to set restrictions on the way gamers can share their digital purchases. You cannot support both effectively without sacrifiing one for the other. Microsoft made a choice that was the best model possible and too many idiots began to complain about it, enough to make them change their minds and keep the old system that has been dropped everywhere from the music industry to the software industry to the publishing industry, yet the gaming industry will be stuck with this shit for another 10 years.


    Did you read what I wrote?

    I mean, seriously. You responded to nothing and ignored me completely.

    Microsoft could have kept a lot of the innovations without setting so many restrictions. Seriously, look at the Sony PS3 PS Vita cross-buy support.
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    Jun 20, 2013 2:48 AM GMT
    I'd join you on this... but now my homeless friends who can't afford buying new everything are cancelling their PS4 pre orders and jumping back on Xbox. They said I should be thanking them for putting pressure on MS. It was a strategy to put the pressure on MS to change their policy... I told them no they just straight up homeless.
  • TheBizMan

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    Jun 20, 2013 4:34 AM GMT
    Thank god they changed their minds. I might give their system a second look.
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    Jun 20, 2013 5:44 AM GMT
    TheBizMan saidThank god they changed their minds. I might give their system a second look.


    Good bro... then you can game with me!
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    Jun 20, 2013 5:53 AM GMT
    But can you watch porn on it? That is the important question!

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    Jun 20, 2013 6:02 AM GMT
    Odd. You'd talk about a product that isn't Apple?
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    Jun 20, 2013 6:10 AM GMT
    I think Microsoft mentioned they were going to "bring in" some of those features later into the X1's life cycle, though in a less DRM-y way.


    Best way to deal with it right now is to download your games (instead of purchasing physical copies). You'll be allowed to play them without "disk swapping", and you can't exactly lose it, haha.

    Not exactly the same thing, but it's something
  • Apparition

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    Jun 20, 2013 7:39 AM GMT
    wouldnt the correct response have been to remove the drm and buy gamestop, (its only worth 4 billion dollars) so they make money every time the game is sold? win win win.

    or just admit that everyone knows the netflix model is going to be the future anyway, 8 bucks a month, play any game you want right off of their servers, no real hardware necessary.