Being a Gay Christian...

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    Jun 20, 2013 4:16 AM GMT
    First let me start off by saying that this is not to create some sort of argument about whether God exists or not, I just want to know the opinions of other Gay Christian men.

    Ok so I have recently started coming out to some of my close friends and my Boss(Mentor). So far everyone has been really accepting of it and I was caught off guard how much support I was receiving from them. However, I just came out to a friend tonight who is one of my more religious friends. He told me that he supports me and he is there for me if I need someone to talk to me, but homosexuality is a temptation that I must not fall in to.

    Now I get where he is coming from because of 1 verse in the entire bible. That being said, I do not believe that I could have been created and expected to live a life of solitude because I have an attraction to men instead of women (which is his thought).

    Are there any guys on here that are Christian that have any advice, or articles or anything of the sort to share? Anything will help.
    Thanks
  • HottJoe

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    Jun 20, 2013 4:21 AM GMT
    You're fine. The gay mafia is rewriting the Bible and putting acid in the Holy Water. It's not of matter "brain washing" Christians, it's a matter of re-brain washing them.icon_wink.gif
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    Jun 20, 2013 4:30 AM GMT
    I'm not Christian, but i believe in it.
    but, I believe only in good.

    As a famous Christian philosopher Leo Tolstoy once said...
    false knowledge exist even in the holy books, but one should not take any advantage of it. Because the true purpose of any religion is to find peace and see god in everything & realising that love & truth is god's will...and anything that is against it should be ignored, even if it is mentioned in holy books.

    Hope this helps.
    it is not exactly in his words, but the meaning is same.

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    Jun 20, 2013 4:36 AM GMT
    Metropolitan Community Church has a lot of resources.
    From their website:Since its founding in 1968, MCC has been at the vanguard of civil and human rights movements by addressing important issues such as racism, sexism, homophobia, ageism, and other forms of oppression. MCC has been on the forefront in the struggle towards marriage equality in the US and other countries worldwide and continues to be a powerful voice in the LGBT equality movement.

    The direct link to their theological resources: http://mccchurch.org/resources/mcc-theologies/
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    Jun 20, 2013 4:37 AM GMT


    Bob, he says that about homosexuality and I'd be curious about what he has to say about straight people doing the same thing. After all Paul wished everyone could be like him.

    http://biblehub.com/1_corinthians/7-7.htm


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    Jun 20, 2013 4:44 AM GMT
    HottJoe saidYou're fine. The gay mafia is rewriting the Bible and putting acid in the Holy Water. It's not of matter "brain washing" Christians, it's a matter of re-brain washing them.icon_wink.gif


    Lather, rinse, repeat?
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    Oct 11, 2013 6:53 AM GMT
    Great post. I went through the exact same struggle you did. I sought advice too, but never got anything satisfying. I'll be honest, I don't exactly think this is a lesson learned apart from experience. You'll find your own way of answering it. But let me at least tell you how the story might go.

    When I transferred colleges at 21, I came out to my family and friends, most of whom were very, very actively religious (Catholic). Some accepted the news well and were 'so happy' for me, many wouldn't talk to me for days or weeks, more won't talk to me still. My mom and some friends' parents wouldn't let me in their home or near their children. It was clear to me that the deserters fled for religious reasons, so it became such a goal of mine to answer (or actually affirm) the question you're really asking in your post: can christianity and homosexuality be compatible?

    I was religious too and too often found myself fighting with my gay friends about it. So I asked a old friend from catholic school, who had come out a bit before me, how he transitioned into the ostensibly incompatible 'gay Christian' phase, but he had no advice. Religion meant little to him, clearly, so he was no role model. Now I was totally lost.

    But there was one thing I knew: I knew I wasn't evil. Of course I spent my entire adolescence searching for the answer to that question and I'll be damned if I wasn't sure of it (npi). So that's it, that's where I started. It might sound banal or inchoate but it's solid. I know I'm not evil, and if some religious philosophy tries to tell me otherwise, it's simply wrong on that account. You seem to already know this crucial fact, but you don't have it seared it into your brain with nearly as much vigor as you have done with Christian doctrine. Do that. Then happily go from there.

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    Oct 11, 2013 3:40 PM GMT


    Bobjones said, " He told me that he supports me and he is there for me if I need someone to talk to me, but homosexuality is a temptation that I must not fall in to. "

    Just about every bisexual bible thumper I've met has told me that. He's explaining his own sexual orientation to you, and also cheapening what gay is. It's about who and how you Love, and Love is possibly the most powerful thing a human can do. icon_wink.gif
  • rakim87

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    Oct 12, 2013 2:33 AM GMT
    The story of David and Jonathan, in it's original language, supposedly uses words that describe a relationship between a man and a woman. So it's a completely homosexual story but was rewritten to just look like they really, really cared about each other.

    Basically, the Bible's just a book written by humans so don't worry about it. Being a member of a religion is purely psychological, you're never really christian or not christian.
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    Oct 21, 2013 11:57 AM GMT
    For me it's always been a question of how I define my Christianity. Personally, I define myself as a person who believes in the teachings of Christ. That is what my faith/spirituality is based on. It's not based on the Bible, because Christ didn't write the Bible. It's not based on the Church, because the Church is not Christ. It may sound very simplistic to some, but that's what I believe.
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    Oct 21, 2013 12:36 PM GMT
    Have a look at this link:

    www.godmademegay.com

    Hope it helps

    Hugs
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    Oct 22, 2013 2:50 AM GMT
    Bobjones saidFirst let me start off by saying that this is not to create some sort of argument about whether God exists or not, I just want to know the opinions of other Gay Christian men.

    Ok so I have recently started coming out to some of my close friends and my Boss(Mentor). So far everyone has been really accepting of it and I was caught off guard how much support I was receiving from them. However, I just came out to a friend tonight who is one of my more religious friends. He told me that he supports me and he is there for me if I need someone to talk to me, but homosexuality is a temptation that I must not fall in to.

    Now I get where he is coming from because of 1 verse in the entire bible. That being said, I do not believe that I could have been created and expected to live a life of solitude because I have an attraction to men instead of women (which is his thought).

    Are there any guys on here that are Christian that have any advice, or articles or anything of the sort to share? Anything will help.
    Thanks



    What is the one verse in the entire Bible that you reference?

    Oh, I'm very Christian.

    Being Christian includes realizing what is sacred and treating it so.

    Being Christian includes being Saved.

    Being Christian includes entertaining a Good Father notion of God.

    Know what a man is and know what a woman is. They are not equal. Consider homosexuality and homosexual love does not breed love children. However, without being a biological parent, consider still being a parent, for, there are children without homes. Even though the biology of your sexuality doesn't make you father, you can still create a home and be loved by your foster children or your adopted children.

    Consider the field of Proctology when you consider sodomy. I have yet to see a penis that looks like the best prostate stimulators designed by proctologists.

    Find a man who will go to church with you.

    Know that you must also go beyond Christianity. There have been many spiritual lessons I've learned that churches do not teach.

    There can be poverty in not having children. Men leave before women. (You know women often outlive their husbands. Women help men live longer, but men do not help women live longer; so, as women are more cooperative than and less competitive than men, try to find a cooperative man.) The Ancient Jews had a heterosexual breeding Creation story. The Ancient Egyptians had a masturbatory Creation story--but it wasn't human origins. There is no homosexual breeding Creation story. So, being close to God the Creator of Human Origins, you know heterosexuality is godly. However, we do have an overpopulation problem. We also have the destruction of the middle class, no, rephrase, the destruction of the 99% in the U.S.

    Hey, in Christianity, we know all human beings did not come here to be breeders; so, how can God hate the non-breeders?

    You are loved.
    You are Loved, Kept Safe, and Empowered.




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    Oct 22, 2013 4:08 AM GMT
    Bobjones saidFirst let me start off by saying that this is not to create some sort of argument about whether God exists or not, I just want to know the opinions of other Gay Christian men.

    Ok so I have recently started coming out to some of my close friends and my Boss(Mentor). So far everyone has been really accepting of it and I was caught off guard how much support I was receiving from them. However, I just came out to a friend tonight who is one of my more religious friends. He told me that he supports me and he is there for me if I need someone to talk to me, but homosexuality is a temptation that I must not fall in to.

    Now I get where he is coming from because of 1 verse in the entire bible. That being said, I do not believe that I could have been created and expected to live a life of solitude because I have an attraction to men instead of women (which is his thought).

    Are there any guys on here that are Christian that have any advice, or articles or anything of the sort to share? Anything will help.
    Thanks


    You can read this article. It was very useful for me:
    http://www.gaychristian.net/justins_view.php

    I guess, as a gay christian you can only hope to take the right choices. Some of the times it is just about guts, what do you feel is right? Some other times is you can pray and trust there is a plan for your life. For me, it all sums up as:

    "God grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, the courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to know the difference."

    Of course also consider, if you are a Christian, your sexuality is not a determining factor in defining who you are. Your core values can align to Christianity independently of your orientation.
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    Oct 22, 2013 9:24 AM GMT
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    Bobjones said



    What is the one verse in the entire Bible that you reference?

    Oh, I'm very Christian.

    Being Christian includes realizing what is sacred and treating it so.

    Being Christian includes being Saved.

    Being Christian includes entertaining a Good Father notion of God.

    Consider the field of Proctology when you consider sodomy. I have yet to see a penis that looks like the best prostate stimulators designed by proctologists.



    A family member of mine who was a minister, delicately told me when I was a teenager, don't do things the body wasn't designed to do. He was telling me he thought at some point in time in my life, I would come across homosexuality.

    Years after he died, I was at a gay bar on the East Side of Manhattan (below 42nd Street) trying to make friends. I met a sweet, beautiful looking man. His Sun sign may have been Cancer.

    He blessed me to visit his home in Astoria, Queens. Our trust-building conversation was going well.

    He was a bottom. I was just a young man who would snuggle with a guy naked and lay my head on a guy's belly, listening for sounds. If the guy wanted to leave the bedroom, masturbate in the bathroom and come back for more closeness, I'd be there waiting to be his teddy bear scaring away loneliness.

    I was too uninterested and uneducated in the ways of his sexual satisfaction. So, we continued our heart-to-heart. So, as twenty-somethings do, he gave me a lesson and a bathroom tour of the necessities of being a bottom.

    He told me, from being a bottom, he got colon spasms, from sodomy. He had to go to the doctor. They didn't stop. I thought, oh, good: he won't need me to make his condition worse. I'm going to satisfy my naked snuggle craving after all with this attractive man.

    His desire wasn't snuggling, letting the mixture of auric energy warm and balance us.

    "So, you still want guys to do that to you?" remembering what a Christian elder once told me, "Don't do things the body wasn't designed to do" and also thinking, "You have a medical condition. How can you turn me down for an activity that is harming you?" The guys causing his condition (beyond his consent) were not staying with him. His roommates weren't his problem/pleasure.

    Jesus asked the man, Do you want to be healed?

    4:24 a.m. I'm going back to bed.
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    Oct 23, 2013 4:20 PM GMT
    StephenOABC said
    StephenOABC said
    Bobjones said



    What is the one verse in the entire Bible that you reference?

    Oh, I'm very Christian.

    Being Christian includes realizing what is sacred and treating it so.

    Being Christian includes being Saved.

    Being Christian includes entertaining a Good Father notion of God.

    Consider the field of Proctology when you consider sodomy. I have yet to see a penis that looks like the best prostate stimulators designed by proctologists.



    A family member of mine who was a minister, delicately told me when I was a teenager, don't do things the body wasn't designed to do. He was telling me he thought at some point in time in my life, I would come across homosexuality.

    Years after he died, I was at a gay bar on the East Side of Manhattan (below 42nd Street) trying to make friends. I met a sweet, beautiful looking man. His Sun sign may have been Cancer.

    He blessed me to visit his home in Astoria, Queens. Our trust-building conversation was going well.

    He was a bottom. I was just a young man who would snuggle with a guy naked and lay my head on a guy's belly, listening for sounds. If the guy wanted to leave the bedroom, masturbate in the bathroom and come back for more closeness, I'd be there waiting to be his teddy bear scaring away loneliness.

    I was too uninterested and uneducated in the ways of his sexual satisfaction. So, we continued our heart-to-heart. So, as twenty-somethings do, he gave me a lesson and a bathroom tour of the necessities of being a bottom.

    He told me, from being a bottom, he got colon spasms, from sodomy. He had to go to the doctor. They didn't stop. I thought, oh, good: he won't need me to make his condition worse. I'm going to satisfy my naked snuggle craving after all with this attractive man.

    His desire wasn't snuggling, letting the mixture of auric energy warm and balance us.

    "So, you still want guys to do that to you?" remembering what a Christian elder once told me, "Don't do things the body wasn't designed to do" and also thinking, "You have a medical condition. How can you turn me down for an activity that is harming you?" The guys causing his condition (beyond his consent) were not staying with him. His roommates weren't his problem/pleasure.

    Jesus asked the man, Do you want to be healed?

    4:24 a.m. I'm going back to bed.


    Don't get up for a while. You need a LOT of sleep.
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    Oct 23, 2013 6:35 PM GMT
    Hooray for accepting who you are and what you believe in! Bravo! I've had a lot of trouble finding gay friendly Christian Churches outside of San Francisco; but have always sought out The Word through the online streaming sermons of my favorite AZ Pastor. Hope you have found, or find, a church that accepts you as you are; cause GOD Loves you!

    My dad was a Pastor, and I believe that has something to do with the spiritual journey I've been on all my life. I'm curious and have learned a lot about different religions; but somehow find Christianity still speaks to me. I've been a Gay Christian for years now; though I still do have respect all other religions and the people who practice them. Though, I'm a lil on the outskirts of the religious aspects of the belief system.
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    Oct 26, 2013 4:14 PM GMT
    _JRQ saidHooray for accepting who you are and what you believe in! Bravo! I've had a lot of trouble finding gay friendly Christian Churches outside of San Francisco; but have always sought out The Word through the online streaming sermons of my favorite AZ Pastor. Hope you have found, or find, a church that accepts you as you are; cause GOD Loves you!

    My dad was a Pastor, and I believe that has something to do with the spiritual journey I've been on all my life. I'm curious and have learned a lot about different religions; but somehow find Christianity still speaks to me. I've been a Gay Christian for years now; though I still do have respect all other religions and the people who practice them. Though, I'm a lil on the outskirts of the religious aspects of the belief system.



    I too am a gay Christian. Am very interested in the online streaming sermons you found from the Arizona pastor. Can you post a link to it here?
  • metta

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    Mar 18, 2014 11:12 PM GMT
    FIRST LOOK: God and the Gay Christian by Matthew Vines

    http://www.convergentbooks.com/first-look-god-and-the-gay-christian-by-matthew-vines/
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    Mar 19, 2014 1:01 AM GMT
    I don't necessarily believe in organised religion but regarding the bible its important to take the morals from the bible without paying too much attention to the out dated cultural references.

    I studied religion at school and we would read parts of the bible and the whole class would have a different interpretation of what we had just read. That being said Christians or Christian leaders that are anti gay or advocate an anti gay mantra aren't homophobic because they are religious they're homophobic because they interpret their religion through their own narrow view points.
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    Mar 19, 2014 5:46 PM GMT
    Are straight people free from sin simply because they're straight? Of course not. I believe everyone of us will have some explaining to do when we meet Jesus. There's a lot worse sins being committed out there than being turned on by someone of the same sex. If most straight people are bound for heaven with all their sins, why wouldn't a decent gay person be heaven bound also? Especially if they were a kind person? You gotta shake your head at all the arrogance out there. I'd say you can live a decent life and believe in God. Anyone who doesn't like it should be shown a large mirror.
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    Mar 19, 2014 7:06 PM GMT
    I'm a liberal religious gay Jew currently dating a gay evangelical Christian. Although our specific religious beliefs are very different we have both found that the very fact that each of us is passionate about religion has created an intense connection.
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    Mar 19, 2014 9:01 PM GMT
    duluthrunner saidI'm a liberal religious gay Jew currently dating a gay evangelical Christian. Although our specific religious beliefs are very different we have both found that the very fact that each of us is passionate about religion has created an intense connection.


    cool!

    i have just recently came out to myself. ive been raised christian and have struggled because i didnt want to lose what ive believed so much in my whole life. ive been using this past week or so researching and learning what the "gay bashing" Bible verses really mean and am working on being the best gay christian i can be. now theres the problem of coming out completely to everyone else.....icon_neutral.gif
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    Mar 20, 2014 2:31 AM GMT
    Good luck Enelabs with your ongoing coming out process.
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    Mar 20, 2014 5:25 PM GMT
    duluthrunner saidGood luck Enelabs with your ongoing coming out process.


    thnks, i could use all the luck i can get! icon_smile.gif
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    Mar 21, 2014 4:48 AM GMT
    falskurfugl saidBeing gay and christian is the same as being jew and a nazi.

    Only someone very stupid could be like one of those.

    My advice is: give up christianity. Or give up being gay.


    That's a pretty dopey statement to make!!