How to Die in Oregon

  • kietkat

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    Jun 21, 2013 3:57 AM GMT
    Just watched this documentary on Netflix. A truly fascinating perspective on assisted death of terminally ill patients. I've always believed in quality over quantity of life and seeing just how happy these people are knowing that they have choice in the matter is affirming. Has anyone else seen this? What are your thoughts on the film?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_F-525sCzhE&feature=youtube_gdata_player
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    Jun 21, 2013 4:06 PM GMT
    Quebec is trying to pass this law in canada right now... it'll be a long journey to get it to be accepted...
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    Jun 21, 2013 4:35 PM GMT
    I know/knew 3 people who got their prescriptions and 2 who used them. Washington has a similar law now. If you have ever nursed a loved one through an unpleasant, painful and protracted death you'd want them and yourself to have this option.

    Ironically, physicians already "help" death along in the chronically ill at least in hospital settings by giving them more and more morphine "to make them more comfortable" "ease their labored breathing", etc., and they are really slowly ODing them and stopping their heart. Unfortunately these patients have already lost all that control over their life (death) and dignity they wanted to retain.
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    Jun 21, 2013 4:57 PM GMT
    I'm for euthanasia when there is no hope and quality of life is gone. I plan to go this way some day. I'll have the nurse turn up the morphine and let me sleep away, which is better than lingering along in misery for another few weeks or so. Our family employs a nurse for a variety of reasons, and one of them is this. She is adept at "handling" end of life situations, and did so for our father & grandfather.
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    Jun 21, 2013 5:21 PM GMT
    Just be careful not to forge the river with to many oxen. And steer clear of typhoid fever!
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    Jun 21, 2013 5:23 PM GMT
    I'm Catholic and totally oppose it.But people can vote as they like.Ryan icon_smile.gif
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    Jun 21, 2013 8:14 PM GMT
    Jockbod48 saidI'm for euthanasia when there is no hope and quality of life is gone. I plan to go this way some day. I'll have the nurse turn up the morphine and let me sleep away, which is better than lingering along in misery for another few weeks or so. Our family employs a nurse for a variety of reasons, and one of them is this. She is adept at "handling" end of life situations, and did so for our father & grandfather.


    I too would like to have the option of ending life under dire circumstances. People need to be more empathetic instead of following any sets of rules or guidelines dictated by religion or profession.
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    Jun 21, 2013 8:45 PM GMT
    "I'm Catholic and totally oppose it.But people can vote as they like.Ryan"

    Catholics love to see people suffer. I just,the last few days watched my Mother in Law suffer a week long morphine feed death. If thats what cathlolics want no wonder I am non religious.
  • jimjock

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    Jun 21, 2013 9:07 PM GMT
    Euthanasia?

    Great bunch of kids!
  • madsexy

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    Jun 21, 2013 9:07 PM GMT
    In my home country (Nederland) we had a case in the 70s that threw up the question. A doctor's mother was dying horribly and the doctor helped her go quicker and without the horrors to come. It went into the courts after the doctor was convicted, and then a ruling came out about doctors not having to prolong life in those cases. Then finally in the early 2000s a law was passed legalizing euthanasia . . . FINALLY as in long overdue.

    For a country with deep religious foundations to do that it a giant step. Certainly a great country like USA, where religion is not supposed to govern, should be able to do the same. I hope so.
  • bumblejacket

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    Jun 21, 2013 9:16 PM GMT
    Kev1962 saidI know/knew 3 people who got their prescriptions and 2 who used them. Washington has a similar law now. If you have ever nursed a loved one through an unpleasant, painful and protracted death you'd want them and yourself to have this option.

    Ironically, physicians already "help" death along in the chronically ill at least in hospital settings by giving them more and more morphine "to make them more comfortable" "ease their labored breathing", etc., and they are really slowly ODing them and stopping their heart. Unfortunately these patients have already lost all that control over their life (death) and dignity they wanted to retain.



    No!!!!!What you said is wrong! It's called "comfort measures" only. It's not OVerdosing somebody so they will die sooner. Those medications are only given to make the dying person more comfortable-Not to kill them sooner as you said.
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    Jun 21, 2013 9:55 PM GMT
    WickedRyan saidI'm Catholic and totally oppose it.But people can vote as they like.Ryan icon_smile.gif

    Way to stand up for your magic man n the sky beliefs. Plus, very big of you to allow others to vote as they wish.
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    Jun 21, 2013 10:08 PM GMT
    WickedRyan saidI'm Catholic and totally oppose it.But people can vote as they like.Ryan icon_smile.gif


    The Catholic church is also against you acting on your homosexual desires. Are you following church teachings and being a good "Gay Catholic" by being celibate?


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    Jun 21, 2013 10:21 PM GMT
    WickedRyan saidI'm Catholic and totally oppose it.But people can vote as they like.Ryan icon_smile.gif


    You're Catholic and you suck cock?

    Hypocrite.

    Luckily, your kind is a dying breed.
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    Jun 21, 2013 10:22 PM GMT
    WickedRyan saidI'm Catholic and totally oppose it.But people can vote as they like.Ryan icon_smile.gif


    You're Catholic and you suck cock?

    Hypocrite.

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    Jun 21, 2013 10:26 PM GMT
    madsexy saidIn my home country (Nederland) we had a case in the 70s that threw up the question. A doctor's mother was dying horribly and the doctor helped her go quicker and without the horrors to come. It went into the courts after the doctor was convicted, and then a ruling came out about doctors not having to prolong life in those cases. Then finally in the early 2000s a law was passed legalizing euthanasia . . . FINALLY as in long overdue.

    For a country with deep religious foundations to do that it a giant step. Certainly a great country like USA, where religion is not supposed to govern, should be able to do the same. I hope so.


    Your home country also allows child euthanasia in very special circumstances. I don't think the US of A is anywhere close to being that progressive.
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    Jun 21, 2013 10:33 PM GMT
    madsexy saidIn my home country (Nederland) we had a case in the 70s that threw up the question. A doctor's mother was dying horribly and the doctor helped her go quicker and without the horrors to come. It went into the courts after the doctor was convicted, and then a ruling came out about doctors not having to prolong life in those cases. Then finally in the early 2000s a law was passed legalizing euthanasia . . . FINALLY as in long overdue.

    For a country with deep religious foundations to do that it a giant step. Certainly a great country like USA, where religion is not supposed to govern, should be able to do the same. I hope so.


    USA isn't a "great" country. Don't let the glitter and lights fool you. Europe (pick a country) is much, much better.
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    Jun 21, 2013 11:45 PM GMT
    Jockbod48 saidI'm for euthanasia when there is no hope and quality of life is gone. I plan to go this way some day. I'll have the nurse turn up the morphine and let me sleep away, which is better than lingering along in misery for another few weeks or so. Our family employs a nurse for a variety of reasons, and one of them is this. She is adept at "handling" end of life situations, and did so for our father & grandfather.


    There is a difference between euthanasia and assisted suicide. Euthansia involves the health care professional physically induce death or just not simply doing CPR to a cardiac arrest. While assisted suicide involves the health professional preparing the tools and the patient push the button to induce his or her own death.
  • blueandgold

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    Jun 22, 2013 12:51 AM GMT
    i was hoping this forum was about the game Oregon trail. there were so many ways to die.... dysentery, anyone?
  • kietkat

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    Jun 22, 2013 12:55 AM GMT
    It is a wonderful documentary. I hope many will watch it. Currently on Netflix.
  • FRE0

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    Jun 22, 2013 1:02 AM GMT
    It's unclear why an assisted suicide law is required for people to commit suicide.

    Recently a couple committed suicide. They put plastic bags over their heads and ran a tube connected to a helium tank into each bag. That would quickly cause painless suffocation. Other possible gasses are nitrogen and argon. Any non-toxic gas would do the job, perhaps even a refrigerant gas.

    I'm not recommending suicide. I'm simply pointing out that it can be simple and painless and does not require medications, assistance, hanging, or a gun.
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    Jun 22, 2013 2:45 AM GMT
    WickedRyan saidI'm Catholic and totally oppose it.But people can vote as they like.Ryan icon_smile.gif


    Even God gave man free will. And he was merciful.
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    Jun 22, 2013 5:24 AM GMT
    kietkat saidIt is a wonderful documentary. I hope many will watch it. Currently on Netflix.


    It was one of the hardest documentaries I've ever had to sit through but it was eye opening. The story of the main woman is especially difficult to deal with but what an amazing way for her to be able to end things.

    It all skews a little one sided in that its only showing examples of people that could justify using PAS -- there have to be plenty of other scenarios where it would be absurd but I tend to agree that as a quality of life issue and if the patient has a terminal diagnosis, it should be up to the individual as to when they feel an appropriate time/way to go is.
  • FRE0

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    Jun 23, 2013 6:03 AM GMT
    It may be that if doctors did a better job of pain management that there would be less demand for suicide, assisted or not.

    I read about a doctor that limited the amount of pain medication to terminally ill patients because he was afraid that they would become addicted.

    One problem with assisted suicide is that there may be some doubt about whether it is truly voluntary, regardless of what the patient says. A terminally ill patient may feel that he is being a burden on others and decide to end his life immediately rather than force others to support him for the months it takes to die naturally. Or, if he is not terminally ill but his condition makes him helpless, he may want to end his life to cease being a burden.

    It could be very difficult to determine whether a person deciding to end his life is truly acting voluntarily.
  • BlackBeltGuy

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    Jun 28, 2013 1:21 AM GMT
    excellent movie.
    I watched it twice and I will tell you I am for it,

    You do what you will with your body and I have seen in practice hospice patients that have done similar things to stop suffering just not under a law.

    very well shot and put together.