The Conservative Christian Case for Supporting Obama

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    Nov 03, 2008 8:03 PM GMT
    Fascinating.
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    Nov 03, 2008 9:10 PM GMT
    Yeah, its educational.
    Thanks
  • Paradigm_Shif...

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    Nov 03, 2008 9:40 PM GMT
    That was an amazing article. Thanks for sharing it. My favorite paragraph...


    And with the “Joe the Plumber” tour, John McCain is trying to trick Americans into falling for the perverse lie that somehow working-class, blue collar tradesmen are economically aligned with the top 5% of wage earners and are on the losing end of a mythical “class warfare” that Obama is waging against the working class.

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    Nov 03, 2008 9:49 PM GMT
    Another one I had to post.....

    With the various “Joe” slogans, Republicans insult blue collar workers everywhere by expecting them to vote for the candidate who’s willing to talk “folksy” and drink a beer with them all the while lying about the fact that “Joes” across America will be worse off under McCain’s tax policies than under Obama’s.
  • coolarmydude

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    Nov 04, 2008 1:53 AM GMT
    This article is woefully comforting. It is the echo of all my thoughts and summations that form my political ideology, and eerily at times, word for word.

    This article deserves 5 amens:



    AMEN! AMEN! AMEN! AMEN! GOOD GOD ALMIGHTY, AMEN!
  • coolarmydude

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    Nov 04, 2008 2:03 AM GMT
    My Dad is a Catholic one-issue voter, that issue being abortion (he's pro-life all the way). I was home in February and my godparents, he and I were talking about politics and I had to ask him, how can we "take care" of the unborn if we're not even taking care of those already born?

    There was a moment of silence.
  • spinningguy

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    Nov 04, 2008 4:15 AM GMT
    I think its interesting that we have guys on this site that are breaking the mold and whole heartedly supporting McCain...I guess I never think about the people that are posting on religious forums and how they have people that are breaking their mold and supporting Obama and yet if you read the comments after the post it seems that that blog has many people supporting Obama.

    I also found it interesting yesterday when I was at the Biden rally in Daytona Beach. A local preacher was invited to the stage to say a prayer, he asked for blessing for the country but when it came to talking about Biden and Obama the preacher said Dear God bless them in all that they do and make them wise. There was no make them win...no strike down McCain just a prayer for God and country and to bless the Senators and bring them wisdom.

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    Nov 04, 2008 4:22 AM GMT
    That's because God doesn't get a vote. He's an illegal.
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    Nov 04, 2008 4:55 AM GMT
    Apparently there is a difference between a self-proclaimed conservative Christian and an actual conservative Christian, or at least one that is more self-aware than the author of that DNC talking points summary.

    Obama's policies (tax policy, foreign policy, etc.) are indeed well-intentioned and play to many core beliefs of a practicing Christian, that is to, as Christ preached, love one another. By working for social justice and providing aid to the poor, this tenet is well-served. However the underlying principle of Christianity that calls Christians to social justice and aid to the poor, etc. is the unwavering belief in the inherent dignity of every human life. It is the foundation of Christian love. But when a candidate's policies forget the most vulnerable among us - the unborn - there is no basis for the dignity of human life. Barack Obama's abortion policies dismiss any notion of the dignity of human life at its most basic and most vulnerable.

    However if you believe that life does not begin at conception, then OK. But again, in this candidate, you have a man who three or four times voted against legislation that would mandate care for babies born of botched abortions. He claimed these babies - born alive - should not receive equal protection under the Constitution, and therefore, medical care to save them should not be required by law.

    Ignoring this foundational tenet of Christian theology contradicts the underlying principles that constitute the intended good works of his other policies in the eyes of true Christian conservatives.

    This post is not intended to be about who's right and who's wrong on the issue of abortion; it's merely intended to point out that the blogger, ROB J -- the author of the article is not a conservative Christian. He's a fraud.
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    Nov 04, 2008 7:00 AM GMT
    FALCONER saidApparently there is a difference between a self-proclaimed conservative Christian and an actual conservative Christian, or at least one that is more self-aware than the author of that DNC talking points summary.

    Obama's policies (tax policy, foreign policy, etc.) are indeed well-intentioned and play to many core beliefs of a practicing Christian, that is to, as Christ preached, love one another. By working for social justice and providing aid to the poor, this tenet is well-served. However the underlying principle of Christianity that calls Christians to social justice and aid to the poor, etc. is the unwavering belief in the inherent dignity of every human life. It is the foundation of Christian love. But when a candidate's policies forget the most vulnerable among us - the unborn - there is no basis for the dignity of human life. Barack Obama's abortion policies dismiss any notion of the dignity of human life at its most basic and most vulnerable.

    However if you believe that life does not begin at conception, then OK. But again, in this candidate, you have a man who three or four times voted against legislation that would mandate care for babies born of botched abortions. He claimed these babies - born alive - should not receive equal protection under the Constitution, and therefore, medical care to save them should not be required by law.

    Ignoring this foundational tenet of Christian theology contradicts the underlying principles that constitute the intended good works of his other policies in the eyes of true Christian conservatives.

    This post is not intended to be about who's right and who's wrong on the issue of abortion; it's merely intended to point out that the blogger, ROB J -- the author of the article is not a conservative Christian. He's a fraud.


    Who cares...I greatly enjoyed the blog and feel ALMOST the same as the blogger. I don't care if he's a fraud, etc...he put words lost to my exhaust of this election in writing.

    As for your abortion comments, check the facts...the vote was in Illinois and would have no affect on the constitution and let's have Obama speak for himself,

    "If it sounds incredible that I would vote to withhold lifesaving treatment from an infant, that's because it's not true. There was a bill that said you have to provide lifesaving treatment. The fact is that there was already a law on the books in Illinois that required providing lifesaving treatment, which is why not only myself but pro-choice Republicans and Democrats voted against it. With respect to partial-birth abortion, I am completely supportive of a ban on late-term abortions, as long as there's an exception for the mother's health and life, and this bill did not contain that exception."

    I think abortion is wrong, but it's between God, the mother, and the baby at this point. The government has had it's say and it's a moot point in my opinion.
  • tailgaytor

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    Nov 04, 2008 8:03 AM GMT
    Thanks looknrnd for finding Obama's quote on the Born Alive Act. Rob J, author of the article, provided the same information to a person who posted a response to his article citing the same argument.

    I was inpressed with his article because of the overwhelming amount of research he had to back his positions. I was equally impressed with his response to those who challenged the points made in his article. He addressed their arguments with facts to support what he said which were with documented specific links or even quotes. There were many responses to the article that were worth reading.


    Overall, it helped me understand how dependent the Repbulicans are on the two hot issues: abortion and gay marriage
  • coolarmydude

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    Nov 04, 2008 1:23 PM GMT
    FALCONER said, "This post is not intended to be about who's right and who's wrong on the issue of abortion; it's merely intended to point out that the blogger, ROB J -- the author of the article is not a conservative Christian. He's a fraud."


    The only FRAUD that exists is the Republican paradox on their "respect" for life. How is it that they are wholeheartedly pro-life on the abortion issue, but pro-death penalty at the same time? This paradoxical twist of the Republican platform is nothing short of hypocrisy and judgement.