Canadians Pay Taxes for Universal Health Care, and Now They're Richer Than Us

  • metta

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    Jun 23, 2013 6:07 PM GMT
    Canadians Pay Taxes for Universal Health Care, and Now They're Richer Than Us

    http://www.truth-out.org/opinion/item/17149-canadians-pay-taxes-for-universal-health-care-and-now-theyre-richer-than-us
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    Jun 23, 2013 6:19 PM GMT
    What happens when there are more people receiving government payouts than there are people paying in?

    How will the Federal government continue to finance these payouts indefinitely when they are operating at $1+ Trillion annual deficits?

    I have more questions, but we'll start with these two.
  • venusrider

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    Jun 23, 2013 6:40 PM GMT
    The Canadians had once been nearing financial ruin as we are now years ago. Their lawmakers decided to cut gov. spending dramatically over a period of years. Now, thier rate of taxation is dramatically lower than ours.

    Goes to show ya...lowering gov. spending/reducing taxes creates wealth. No gov. spending creates any wealth..this kind of spending consumes wealth.

    We are on the path to complete ruin unless we do as the Canadians did.

    There will be no wealth for this administration to redistribute.
  • venusrider

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    Jun 23, 2013 6:45 PM GMT
    chefBH saidWhat happens when there are more people receiving government payouts than there are people paying in?

    How will the Federal government continue to finance these payouts indefinitely when they are operating at $1+ Trillion annual deficits?

    I have more questions, but we'll start with these two.


    Ahh yes..lets add in the soon to be newly minted "citzens" thanks to this administration. We know that millions of folks will recieve in benefits many times the amount paid into the system...accelerating total system failure.

    You are counting on SSA in yer old age? Think again.
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    Jun 23, 2013 6:51 PM GMT
    metta8 saidCanadians Pay Taxes for Universal Health Care, and Now They're Richer Than Us

    http://www.truth-out.org/opinion/item/17149-canadians-pay-taxes-for-universal-health-care-and-now-theyre-richer-than-us


    We're not richer because we pay for universal healthcare. Americans just get really bad value for the healthcare spend they do - and that's not in spite of government policy - it's *because* of government policy.

    Americans already spend more per capital on PUBLIC healthcare than Canadians do. So why do Americans get so little for the public healthcare dollars they pay? It's even more incredible that only a fraction of Americans are even eligible for these healthcare dollars - so if you factor in the people who are actually eligible, Americans pay far more to get far less.

    The idiocy is that you would suggest that the US government should therefore be in control of more of the healthcare spend.
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    Jun 23, 2013 6:57 PM GMT
    riddler78 said
    metta8 saidCanadians Pay Taxes for Universal Health Care, and Now They're Richer Than Us

    http://www.truth-out.org/opinion/item/17149-canadians-pay-taxes-for-universal-health-care-and-now-theyre-richer-than-us


    We're not richer because we pay for universal healthcare. Americans just get really bad value for the healthcare spend they do - and that's not in spite of government policy - it's *because* of government policy.

    Americans already spend more per capital on PUBLIC healthcare than Canadians do. So why do Americans get so little for the public healthcare dollars they pay? It's even more incredible that only a fraction of Americans are even eligible for these healthcare dollars - so if you factor in the people who are actually eligible, Americans pay far more to get far less.

    The idiocy is that you would suggest that the US government should therefore be in control of more of the healthcare spend.



    Well maybe neta8 will respond to the points we have raised here. I'm sure he has more facts that can back up his position that he stated by posting the original article.
  • HottJoe

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    Jun 23, 2013 7:00 PM GMT
    Southbeach and Riddler should get a room.icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Jun 23, 2013 7:04 PM GMT
    HottJoe saidSouthbeach and Riddler should get a room.icon_rolleyes.gif


    Do you disagree with the underlying fact that Americans spend more on public healthcare than Canadians do (in both total dollars and per capita dollars)?
  • carew28

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    Jun 23, 2013 8:31 PM GMT
    chefBH saidWhat happens when there are more people receiving government payouts than there are people paying in?

    How will the Federal government continue to finance these payouts indefinitely when they are operating at $1+ Trillion annual deficits?

    I have more questions, but we'll start with these two.


    Well, they could start by raising the minimum wage to something that would be enough to make a decent living on, so that people would receive some reward for their labor. Then there would be more people paying in, and less receiving payouts.
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    Jun 23, 2013 8:32 PM GMT
    chefBH said
    Well maybe neta8 will respond to the points we have raised here. I'm sure he has more facts that can back up his position that he stated by posting the original article.


    The fraudster demands facts. Be careful what you wish for.
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    Jun 23, 2013 8:54 PM GMT
    Ex_Mil8 said
    chefBH said
    Well maybe neta8 will respond to the points we have raised here. I'm sure he has more facts that can back up his position that he stated by posting the original article.


    The fraudster demands facts. Be careful what you wish for.


    Or he could just read the very last line in the article. icon_wink.gif
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    Jun 23, 2013 9:38 PM GMT
    meninlove said
    Ex_Mil8 said
    chefBH said
    Well maybe neta8 will respond to the points we have raised here. I'm sure he has more facts that can back up his position that he stated by posting the original article.


    The fraudster demands facts. Be careful what you wish for.


    Or he could just read the very last line in the article. icon_wink.gif



    I see that the gang of girls have arrived to try and derail the discussion.

    The link that was posted at the first post is not an "article" it is an opinion piece. I could write a similar piece making a claim that Canada is "ahead" of the USA due to it's maple sugar industry.

    Here's a question for the gang of girls: What is the labor force participation rate in Canada?
  • HottJoe

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    Jun 23, 2013 10:04 PM GMT
    riddler78 said
    HottJoe saidSouthbeach and Riddler should get a room.icon_rolleyes.gif


    Do you disagree with the underlying fact that Americans spend more on public healthcare than Canadians do (in both total dollars and per capita dollars)?

    No, I think universal healthcare is a wonderful idea. Way to go Canada!!! If only the republicans in the US were as farsighted!!!
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    Ex_Mil8 said
    chefBH said
    Well maybe neta8 will respond to the points we have raised here. I'm sure he has more facts that can back up his position that he stated by posting the original article.


    The fraudster demands facts. Be careful what you wish for.


    It seems terribly inconvenient that the fact remains that the US spends more per capita than than even Britain. How do you account for that?

    Even worse is the fact that in 2010 there were 47.5 million enrollees in Medicare. There were 308,745,538 Americans in 2010. This means while 1/6 actually qualify for public healthcare dollars, the US effectively spends more than SIX TIMES more per public healthcare enrollee than almost every other country in the world.
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    HottJoe said
    riddler78 said
    HottJoe saidSouthbeach and Riddler should get a room.icon_rolleyes.gif


    Do you disagree with the underlying fact that Americans spend more on public healthcare than Canadians do (in both total dollars and per capita dollars)?

    No, I think universal healthcare is a wonderful idea. Way to go Canada!!! If only the republicans in the US were as farsighted!!!


    So if you disagree, then what makes you think that the US government will spend money more effectively if it gets even more of it?
  • HottJoe

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    Jun 23, 2013 10:26 PM GMT
    riddler78 said
    HottJoe said
    riddler78 said
    HottJoe saidSouthbeach and Riddler should get a room.icon_rolleyes.gif


    Do you disagree with the underlying fact that Americans spend more on public healthcare than Canadians do (in both total dollars and per capita dollars)?

    No, I think universal healthcare is a wonderful idea. Way to go Canada!!! If only the republicans in the US were as farsighted!!!


    So if you disagree, then what makes you think that the US government will spend money more effectively if it gets even more of it?

    The US has deeply rooted problems that's led to the degradation of the middle class. I think equality in healthcare will be one of many remedies. It's statistically provable that mass poverty weakens countries. Be careful what you wish for.
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    Jun 24, 2013 3:46 AM GMT
    Richer than WHO?!
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    Jun 24, 2013 4:04 AM GMT
    chefBH said
    meninlove said
    Ex_Mil8 said
    chefBH said
    Well maybe neta8 will respond to the points we have raised here. I'm sure he has more facts that can back up his position that he stated by posting the original article.


    The fraudster demands facts. Be careful what you wish for.


    Or he could just read the very last line in the article. icon_wink.gif



    I see that the gang of girls have arrived to try and derail the discussion.

    The link that was posted at the first post is not an "article" it is an opinion piece. I could write a similar piece making a claim that Canada is "ahead" of the USA due to it's maple sugar industry.

    Here's a question for the gang of girls: What is the labor force participation rate in Canada?


    the point is that we're richer, get over it.
  • MixedJock91

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    Jun 24, 2013 4:07 AM GMT
    Canadian doctors are moving here because they are on a fixed income now...it sucks dick...the U.S. is moving in the same direction. Yay! free healthcare for people who don't work hard! oh well!
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    Jun 24, 2013 4:18 AM GMT
    MixedJock91 saidCanadian doctors are moving here because they are on a fixed income now...it sucks dick...the U.S. is moving in the same direction. Yay! free healthcare for people who don't work hard! oh well!


    Yup!!! As it is the government takes a very nice chunk of my business every 1/4. Can't wait for what's next!



  • OutdoorAdvent...

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    Jun 24, 2013 4:25 AM GMT
    [quote]

    It seems terribly inconvenient that the fact remains that the US spends more per capita than than even Britain. How do you account for that?

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    Profit and administration, the first eliminated by universal health care, the second greatly reduced, among the reasons why medicaid and medicare are so successful.
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    Jun 24, 2013 4:30 AM GMT
    The linked article uses a source from 2008 on wealth data which was during the latest recession.

    Per the 2010 Census the US is above Canada in household income.

    The statistics used in the article seem to come from a different measurement that take into account the real estate value of each households home, which has taken a steep dive in the USA thus giving Canada an edge.
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    Jun 24, 2013 5:59 AM GMT
    The typical Canadian has more income than a typical American, but a higher cost of living in Canada probably erases that advantage. The housing crisis in the USA has actually reduced the cost of living , while the Canadian housing boom that has gone on forever has made life for many quite expensive.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_household_income

    http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2012/07/18/for-the-first-time-canadians-now-richer-than-americans_print.html

    I moved from USA to Canada. I do pay more taxes overall here but I also save a ton on medical bills, so I guess it's a wash.
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    Jun 24, 2013 6:31 AM GMT
    OutdoorAdventurist saidamong the reasons why medicaid and medicare are so successful.


    Indeed. I have a feeling that there are some people in this thread who have no idea how efficient medicare and medicaid are.
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    Jun 24, 2013 7:11 AM GMT
    Canada also has the world's best banking system. I can't be arsed to find the sources but I'm sure you can find them if you search.

    The US is a bit of a disaster.