DEMOCRATS Who Voted For DOMA

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    Jun 27, 2013 2:20 PM GMT
    The list is stunning. Here's a few of the "notable" Democrats in the Senate that voted for DOMA

    Current Vice President "Honest Joe" Biden
    Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid
    Former Ku Klux Clansman / Senator Robert Byrd
    Chris Dodd (of Dodd-Frank fame)
    Frank Lautenberg (now serving time in Hell)
    Chuck Schumer
    Dick Durbin
    Patrick Leahy
    Ben Cardin
    Sex-scandal plagued Robert Menendez
    Uber liberal Paul Wellstone
    Jay Rockefeller
    and much, much more.

    Here's the Senate vote list:

    http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=104&session=2&vote=00280

    http://www.politico.com/story/2013/06/democrats-who-voted-for-doma-reaction-93480.html
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    Jun 27, 2013 4:39 PM GMT
    Wow. From what I've read on this site, it seemed like no Democrat voted for DOMA and Clinton had a gun to his head to sign it into law.
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    Jun 27, 2013 4:43 PM GMT


    *laughs at beyond absurd conversation between one person a la Shari and Lambchops*
  • Whipmagic

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    Jun 27, 2013 4:46 PM GMT
    meninlove said

    *laughs at beyond absurd conversation between one person a la Shari and Lambchops*


    * Joins in the laughter and celebrates that what happened almost a generation ago is now water under the bridge *

    Back to work to make marriage equality a reality everywhere!
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    Jun 27, 2013 4:52 PM GMT
    Whipmagic said
    meninlove said

    *laughs at beyond absurd conversation between one person a la Shari and Lambchops*


    * Joins in the laughter and celebrates that what happened almost a generation ago is now water under the bridge *

    Back to work to make marriage equality a reality everywhere!



    Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.

    Now, honestly, do you think most of the Democrat-lovers on this site were aware of how many Democrat Senators voted for DOMA?
  • Whipmagic

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    Jun 27, 2013 4:58 PM GMT
    chefBH said
    Whipmagic said
    meninlove said

    *laughs at beyond absurd conversation between one person a la Shari and Lambchops*


    * Joins in the laughter and celebrates that what happened almost a generation ago is now water under the bridge *

    Back to work to make marriage equality a reality everywhere!



    Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.

    Now, honestly, do you think most of the Democrat-lovers on this site were aware of how many Democrat Senators voted for DOMA?


    Honestly, I do. It wasn't a secret, and I was very unhappy with them back then. They laid out the political calculus - mostly heading off a constitutional amendment. I didn't quite buy it back then, but now I welcome their change of heart. I with the republicans would follow their example.
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    Jun 27, 2013 5:00 PM GMT
    chefBH said

    Now, honestly, do you think most of the Democrat-lovers on this site were aware of how many Democrat Senators voted for DOMA?


    Um, anyone who lived through it or has even remotely concerned about it.

    Now, I know you want to help us get to the right answer here.

    How many Republicans didn't vote for DOMA in 1996, or voted for it but now support marriage equality?

    When we have all of that data before us then we can have an informed viewpoint.
  • rnch

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    Jun 27, 2013 5:01 PM GMT
    HOW MANY "sock puppet accounts" does SouthBitch have here on RJ?
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    Jun 27, 2013 5:02 PM GMT
    rnch saidHOW MANY "sock puppet accounts" does SouthBitch have here on RJ?


    562
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    Jun 27, 2013 5:04 PM GMT
    Whipmagic said
    chefBH said
    Whipmagic said
    meninlove said

    *laughs at beyond absurd conversation between one person a la Shari and Lambchops*


    * Joins in the laughter and celebrates that what happened almost a generation ago is now water under the bridge *

    Back to work to make marriage equality a reality everywhere!



    Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.

    Now, honestly, do you think most of the Democrat-lovers on this site were aware of how many Democrat Senators voted for DOMA?


    Honestly, I do. It wasn't a secret, and I was very unhappy with them back then. They laid out the political calculus - mostly heading off a constitutional amendment. I didn't quite buy it back then, but now I welcome their change of heart. I with the republicans would follow their example.


    But the Senate could have stopped DOMA.

    And you do realize how incredibly difficult getting through a Constitutional amendment is, don't you?
  • SkyMiles

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    Jun 27, 2013 5:06 PM GMT
    For sure membership in the Democratic party is no guarantee of quality, it's not like a USDA or ASTM standard! icon_razz.gif You always have to watch how these guys vote and strive to get more and better politicians in office who will actually represent you.

    Nominal Democrats or cowardly Democrats do more harm to their party than republicans, and need to GO.
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    Jun 27, 2013 5:16 PM GMT
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    rnch saidHOW MANY "sock puppet accounts" does SouthBitch have here on RJ?


    562


    I did enjoy the feeble attempt at a contribution to a food thread early on...that counts for something?!?icon_lol.gif

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    Jun 27, 2013 5:18 PM GMT
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    showme said
    rnch saidHOW MANY "sock puppet accounts" does SouthBitch have here on RJ?


    562


    I did enjoy the feeble attempt at a contribution to a food thread early on...that counts for something?!?icon_lol.gif



    They always start out making a bunch of innocuous nonpolitical posts but end up monopolizing the politics forums.

    And they all sound the same.

    Except for the time he tried ebonics, which was a complete and unmitigated disaster.


    FOOOOOOOOOOOOOLLLLL!
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    Jun 27, 2013 5:24 PM GMT
    In a past thread I think it was da shark who brought to light what I was not aware of, that the signing of DOMA as a way to avert amendment might have been later disinformation.

    Here's an article on that

    http://americablog.com/2013/03/president-clinton-wrong-history-doma.html
    "John Aravosis asked me to respond to one particular aspect of President Clinton’s op ed, where the former President suggests that DOMA was necessary in order to preclude passage of the Federal Marriage Amendment (FMA). Here is what the President wrote last week:

    In 1996, I signed the Defense of Marriage Act. Although that was only 17 years ago, it was a very different time. In no state in the union was same-sex marriage recognized, much less available as a legal right, but some were moving in that direction. Washington, as a result, was swirling with all manner of possible responses, some quite draconian. As a bipartisan group of former senators stated in their March 1 amicus brief to the Supreme Court, many supporters of the bill known as DOMA believed that its passage “would defuse a movement to enact a constitutional amendment banning gay marriage, which would have ended the debate for a generation or more.” It was under these circumstances that DOMA came to my desk, opposed by only 81 of the 535 members of Congress.

    In 1996, I was President of the Human Rights Campaign, and there was no real threat of a Federal Marriage Amendment. That battle would explode about eight years later, in 2004, when President Bush announced it was a central policy goal of his administration to pass such an amendment. (President Bush made such an announcement even while his right hand man, Vice President Cheney, had a lesbian daughter).

    The only threat in 1996 — the year DOMA became law —- was a marriage case making its way through the courts in Hawai’i, and that case was only construed under the Hawai’i Constitution. (In 1998, even after DOMA was signed into law, HRC would continue the battle in Hawai’i, alongside local community leaders, spending some $1.7M unsuccessfully fighting a state constitutional amendment that barred gays from obtaining marriage licenses).

    The fact is that the true threat of a Federal Marriage Amendment did not arise until 2004.
    "

    Note also though, that according to http://www.advocate.com/politics/marriage-equality/2013/03/08/whats-missing-clintons-doma-op-ed
    "just 81 of the 535 members of Congress opposed the bill".

    I do believe it is important to be reminded to patrol our own.
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    Jun 27, 2013 5:27 PM GMT
    theantijock said
    I do believe it is important to be reminded to patrol our own.


    Yep.

    Also important to remember that of ALL the Republicans on the hill, only three Senators and two House members have said they support marriage equality.
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    Jun 27, 2013 5:33 PM GMT
    showme said
    theantijock said
    I do believe it is important to be reminded to patrol our own.


    Yep.

    Also important to remember that of ALL the Republicans on the hill, only three Senators and two House members have said they support marriage equality.


    Oh I know who's on our side. Or at least I think I know. I thought I knew. I don't know. I didn't receive a single phone call, not a single email, not one text from any of my str8 friends yesterday.

    Even when we have their vote, I'm not so sure we yet have them on our side. Maybe the republicans are simply more vocal about it because I found my friends' silence to hurt me more.
  • Destinharbor

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    Jun 27, 2013 5:45 PM GMT
    Might also remind the forgetful, or inform those who don't know, Clinton's first act as President, his first act, was to try to open the military to gays. Stop the persecution, the witch hunt. He got such a slam-back from the Republicans that Don't Ask Don't Tell at least helped and in fact that, along with the beginnings of discussions about gay marriage did, in fact, start the Constitutional Amendment movement. He was our first friend in the White House and yes, I think he should have vetoed DOMA, but his political calculation was that the Republicans could use the issue do do much more harm. I, for one, am willing to trust his political nose. About the best out there. And even if you are mad about it, just note to this day the Republicans are doing everything they can to harm us for political power they think they can gain. Just as they are with Hispanics.
  • yogadudeSEATT...

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    Jun 27, 2013 5:54 PM GMT
    Yeah, and that was almost 20 years ago. Find out where those same Democrats are today where gay rights are concerned. It's called evolution. Something Republicans don't understand or accept.
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    Jun 27, 2013 6:21 PM GMT
    theantijock saidIn a past thread I think it was da shark who brought to light what I was not aware of, that the signing of DOMA as a way to avert amendment might have been later disinformation.


    Isn't it interesting that when the hated Bush 43 and the hated Republicans took control of the Congress, that there was no such Constitutional amendment proposed, let alone even voted out of a Republican-controlled committee?

    This whole "Democrats voted for DOMA and Clinton signed it to prevent a Constitutional amendment" story is a great fantasy to sell, but it's just that: fantasy.
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    Jun 27, 2013 6:35 PM GMT
    showme said
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    rnch saidHOW MANY "sock puppet accounts" does SouthBitch have here on RJ?


    562


    I did enjoy the feeble attempt at a contribution to a food thread early on...that counts for something?!?icon_lol.gif



    They always start out making a bunch of innocuous nonpolitical posts but end up monopolizing the politics forums.

    And they all sound the same.

    Except for the time he tried ebonics, which was a complete and unmitigated disaster.


    FOOOOOOOOOOOOOLLLLL!


    And notice how none of them responds to any reasonable questions that might (would) have the effect of making their points look stupid.
  • TroyAthlete

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    Jun 27, 2013 7:05 PM GMT
    And in the twenty years since, all of them who are still living have changed their mind.

    Where's the list of Republicans who voted for DOMA and who still believe gays are subhuman?

    RealJock conservatives are legally retarded.
  • JuneauMike

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    Jun 27, 2013 7:12 PM GMT
    Everytime we progresses remind folks exactly how homophobic the rank and file Repubs are, they stammer and say, "But, but, but... some Dems did this and this!" Nonsense. A few Dems making a mistake beats outright hatred anyday.

    But even the R's are changing, evidenced by Lisa Murkowski and others...
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    Jun 27, 2013 7:13 PM GMT
    southbeach1501 said
    This whole "Democrats voted for DOMA and Clinton signed it to prevent a Constitutional amendment" story is a great fantasy to sell, but it's just that: fantasy.


    The whole "Democrats are worse on gay rights" story that you sell is monumentally stupid hogwash -- recognized as such.

    Every Republican in the Senate voted for DOMA. ALL the nay votes came from Democrats.

    Facts are stubborn things.
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    Jun 27, 2013 7:19 PM GMT
    southbeach1501 said
    Isn't it interesting that when the hated Bush 43 and the hated Republicans took control of the Congress, that there was no such Constitutional amendment proposed...


    You know what's even more interesting...

    Bush Presidency 2001-2009

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._state_constitutional_amendments_banning_same-sex_unions_by_type

    constitutional amendments banning same-sex unions

    Nevada 2002 Only a marriage between a male and female person shall be recognized
    Mississippi 2004 only between a man and a woman
    Missouri 2004 a marriage shall exist only between a man and a woman
    Montana 2004 etc
    Oregon 2004 etc
    Colorado 2006 etc
    Tennessee 2006
    Arizona 2008
    California 2008
    Arkansas 2004
    Georgia 2004
    Kentucky 2004
    Louisiana 2004
    North Dakota 2004
    Ohio 2004
    Oklahoma 2004
    Utah 2004
    Kansas 2005
    Texas 2005
    Alabama 2006
    Idaho 2006
    South Carolina 2006
    South Dakota 2006
    Wisconsin 2006
    Florida 2008
    Michigan 2004
    Virgina 2006
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    Jun 27, 2013 7:19 PM GMT
    TroyAthlete said
    southbeach1501 said
    This whole "Democrats voted for DOMA and Clinton signed it to prevent a Constitutional amendment" story is a great fantasy to sell, but it's just that: fantasy.


    The whole "Democrats are worse on gay rights" story that you sell is monumentally stupid hogwash -- recognized as such.

    Every Republican in the Senate voted for DOMA. ALL the nay votes came from Democrats.

    Facts are stubborn things.



    You use a common tactic of the left: deflection.

    The fact is that the Senate Democrats could have prevented DOMA from getting to Clinton's desk in the first place. To be honest, I had forgotten just how many Democrats - and "prominent" ones at that - had voted FOR DOMA.