HIV Rates continue to rise in the gay community

  • metta

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    Jun 29, 2013 7:55 AM GMT
    HIV: Gay Again

    "There's no good evidence that current HIV prevention programs work, so federal and local governments have cut funding for prevention that targets HIV-negative people at risk. People who are HIV-positive, when effectively treated, achieve an undetectable amount of HIV in the blood and are much less infectious. So "Treatment as Prevention" (TasP) has become a popular notion in the world of AIDS. But 20 percent of HIV-infected Americans -- and over 50 percent of HIV-infected young gay men -- don't know it. People are least likely to know they are HIV-positive shortly after seroconversion, when they're most infective. And only 28 percent of Americans living with HIV sustain an undetectable viral load. So treatment of HIV-positive people, while laudable work, will not itself eliminate new HIV infections anytime soon. The trend away from engaging HIV-negative people in prevention efforts misses an opportunity and accepts as inevitable many thousands of seroconversions. A more rational model of HIV care would reach across the divide of serostatus to deliver testing, counseling and treatment to the at-risk HIV-negative population."


    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jim-eigo/hiv-gay-again_b_3497726.html
  • metta

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    Jun 29, 2013 8:04 AM GMT
    We can do better! We must do better!

    Everyone of us must make choices out of a place of self respect and respect for others. We owe that to ourselves. We owe that to those that have we have lost. To live with honesty, mindfulness, responsibility and compassion.
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    Jun 29, 2013 7:34 PM GMT
    Not surprising. The guys in college now didn't get safe sex ed (did they?), no one gets GAY safe sex ed unless you go get tested and ask questions (doubt anyone does since those clinics are environments of SHAME), AND bareback porn is the new norm.
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    Jun 29, 2013 7:37 PM GMT
    I don't understand why people are so complaisant?
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    Jun 29, 2013 8:01 PM GMT
    sweetyork saidI don't understand why people are so complaisant?

    Complacent, or ignorant? A legacy of the Republican Bush years, which took a long time to finally "blossom". Block sex education in schools, and a whole generation will begin having unsafe sex, because they don't know any better.

    And despite efforts by President Obama, Republican-controlled States still prohibit sex education at the local level, and especially any mention of safe gay sex methods. The Republican school-book answer is abstinence, without any education about how sex is done, about what is safe and what is not.

    It is therefore any surprise that HIV transmission rates are rising? Ignorance is the principal promoter of sexual disease, and US Republicans are the chief agents of that ignorance. Every time I learn of another young person contracting HIV, I blame Republicans at least as much as the victim.
  • TroyAthlete

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    Jun 29, 2013 8:17 PM GMT
    metta8 saidAnd only 28 percent of Americans living with HIV sustain an undetectable viral load.


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    Jun 29, 2013 8:22 PM GMT
    TroyAthlete said
    metta8 saidAnd only 28 percent of Americans living with HIV sustain an undetectable viral load.


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    Yeah, that struck a chord with me too, although they don't offer an explanation.
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    Jun 30, 2013 12:00 AM GMT
    I think lack of education is an important factor in areas, certainly. But I think really, it's more of a combined attitude regarding HIV today and a kind of "hubris of youth". I think it may be that people still largely think of HIV/AIDS as an 80s disease, and not nearly as relevant as it used to be (totally not true, by the way). But nobody worries about those myths anymore like bloody pins being left on movie theater seats. The other is this dumbfounded idea of invincibility in young men, that they are invulnerable and won't get it. Further contributing to this hubris seems to be an increased awareness in sex without a condom being more pleasurable to some. The government has a role to ensure education should be made about this, but it's also about getting the larger society to listen, and I fear that may be the bigger challenge.
  • Joeyphx444

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    Jun 30, 2013 12:16 AM GMT
    When you meet someone, assume they are all positive!!

    There are probably more poz men then we know just like there are more gay men we don't know about. The gay community is all about hiding shit, it's dumb
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    Jun 30, 2013 12:43 AM GMT
    Joeyphx444 saidWhen you meet someone, assume they are all positive!!

    There are probably more poz men then we know just like there are more gay men we don't know about. The gay community is all about hiding shit, it's dumb


    While assuming everyone is positive is the rational thing to do, it's a boner killer for me. That's just how it is.
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    Jun 30, 2013 4:10 AM GMT
    Forget history, and it repeats.

    Play it safe, guys. Ever wonder why there aren't as many guys in my generation around?

    Stick it in raw and you're gonna get sick and maybe die.

    I'm coming up on 29 years of living with HIV. But I could have very well ended up dead like all of my friends at the funerals I attended.
  • Joeyphx444

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    Jun 30, 2013 4:45 AM GMT
    GAMRican saidForget history, and it repeats.

    Play it safe, guys. Ever wonder why there aren't as many guys in my generation around?

    Stick it in raw and you're gonna get sick and maybe die.

    I'm coming up on 29 years of living with HIV. But I could have very well ended up dead like all of my friends at the funerals I attended.


    Aren't as many of your generation? Please see my inbox on various dating sites and/or go to Palm Springs or even your city LOL
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    Jun 30, 2013 4:51 AM GMT
    Scary reality...
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    Jun 30, 2013 5:04 AM GMT
    This doesn't surprise me at all, sadly.

    Scroll through any hookup site e.g. Squirt, Manhunt and it is becoming the norm to see men specify "bareback".

    I really notice this in the under 30 demographic. Most guys scoff at me when I won't bareback. Many of these guys are now slowly becoming positve despite telling me it an old man's virus.icon_confused.gif
  • Joeyphx444

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    Jun 30, 2013 5:06 AM GMT
    Hate me for saying this but all those gay haters and people who execute gays may not need to do anything with this rate of HIV

    Gay people will just kill themselves much like Hispanics and Black people kill each other
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    Jun 30, 2013 5:28 AM GMT
    Joeyphx444 said
    GAMRican saidForget history, and it repeats.

    Play it safe, guys. Ever wonder why there aren't as many guys in my generation around?

    Stick it in raw and you're gonna get sick and maybe die.

    I'm coming up on 29 years of living with HIV. But I could have very well ended up dead like all of my friends at the funerals I attended.


    Aren't as many of your generation? Please see my inbox on various dating sites and/or go to Palm Springs or even your city LOL


    It goes deeper.

    I still remember looking into the eyes of "Jonathan" as he struggled to breathe as he fought the Pnuemocystis pnuemonia. His body gave out as he asphyxiated in his own lung fluid. I remember his memorial service. Our church sometimes had several memorial services a week.

    I remember delivering food to one man who had such rampant Karposi's sarcoma, that at first he just wanted for me to open the door, put the food inside, and go away. Later, he eventually allowed me to enter his home. He kept it dark. There were no mirrors. He was great company and had a saucy sense of humor. Then one day I was told that I wouldn't be delivering to him anymore. I was upset because I thought maybe I had offended him somehow. The case worker looked at me, took my hand, and told me that it was nothing I had done wrong. The man had died.

    For whatever reason, be it due to immunology and/or "God", I am still alive today. I survived. Many more didn't.

    The message I bring to you and all is that "History need not repeat."
  • dfrourke

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    Jul 18, 2013 5:01 PM GMT
    Well folks, here is an alternate perspective...

    San Francisco's HIV rates have been dropping for some time...this was reported back before 2011...we don't take this disease for granted and we try new things to try and influence the numbers...the clinic I work at has seen HIV decline (although syphilis is on the rise)...

    It is not hopeless...

    http://www.ebar.com/news/article.php?sec=news&article=5576

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    Jul 18, 2013 5:20 PM GMT
    It would be good for young guys in the gay community to watch "Silver Lake Life: The View from Here." It is a gut-wrenching, touching and terrifying look at a couple in LA dealing with HIV and AIDS. This film made me much more wary about having sex with a stranger.
    Sure, there are new meds now. But they have side effects like any drugs.
    Cavalier attitudes and complacency, though, are not just hallmark traits of horny, young males. The government can be included. A lot of us have been guilty of these qualities at times.
  • mindblank

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    Jul 19, 2013 2:56 PM GMT
    I wonder if the rate of increase is going down, or if that rate is actually increasing itself? One expects that people are still being infected of course but is it slowing down or speeding up so to speak?

    I know what the title of the topic is but I am far too lazy to read further.
  • NerdLifter

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    Jul 19, 2013 3:11 PM GMT
    mindblank saidI wonder if the rate of increase is going down, or if that rate is actually increasing itself? One expects that people are still being infected of course but is it slowing down or speeding up so to speak?

    I know what the title of the topic is but I am far too lazy to read further.

    I read it as the rate is increasing, aka accelerating. Kinda depressing, but not unexpected. A lot of gay kids in college are bare-backing, and it is not decreasing, at least from personal observation. Take that conjecture as you will.

    It blows my mind, but all I can do is give safe sex advice when and if they ask, but some are in a form of denial. They do not want to face the hard facts and come up with strange rationalizations why it is okay to have sex without any protection.
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    Jul 19, 2013 3:11 PM GMT
    I just don't get the appeal of bareback sex. Even within a relationship I don't think I could ever trust someone enough for that.

    Is 30 minutes of sex really worth it?
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    Jul 19, 2013 3:13 PM GMT
    7Famark saidI just don't get the appeal of bareback sex. Even within a relationship I don't think I could ever trust someone enough for that.

    Is 30 minutes of sex really worth it?

    30 minutes of sex for a lifetime of medication. Does not make a whole lot of sense, but many people do not think rationally where sex is concerned.
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    Jul 19, 2013 3:20 PM GMT
    sunjbill said
    ART DECO, you post a lot of good things on RJ, and I'm a Centrist politically since I think both parties are egocentric, but it's been 5 years now and climbing, are Republicans responsible for everything bad in your life, or are they just the easiest ones for you to point a finger to when you are frustrated by something in life?

    Not "everything" but the failure of US sex education most assuredly. Republicans defunded and even outright banned sex education during the Bush years. Abstinence became the only permissible thing taught in many schools. Republican States like Tennessee don't even want the use of the word "gay" to be legal in schools.

    And that trend continues at the State level. Washington and Obama can't prevent it, especially with the Party of No blocking Obama initiatives in Congress.

    So let's not stick our heads in the sand, and say politics is not a part of this problem. It is a MAJOR problem, because one US party has steadfastly stripped sex education from US schools. And that effort is over 10 years old now, continuing today. When I see STI rates rising due to ignorance, I know who the authors of that ignorance are. And it's not the victims themselves, because you can't know something that you're deliberately blocked from learning.
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    Jul 19, 2013 3:21 PM GMT
    Yeah the problem goes deeper and starts earlier. Because being gay is still considered taboo or a "sin" in certain parts of the country, sexual education is very generic and does not really specify groups that are more at risk. For instance growing up all I was told was that HIV was a disease that only infected gay people. That was literally what I was taught. Then as I got older I realized HIV is so much more than just a gay disease, but that gay people have a higher risk factor. I also learned ways to prevent it and the different ways in which it can be contracted. I didn't even know what undetectable even meant until last year and that is because I asked my doctor what it meant. Had I not asked I wouldn't have known.

    It frustrates me that education on prevention and disease containment with regards to the gay community is completely avoided because some ppl think that being gay is wrong. Wrong or right, gay people still have a greater risk factor for HIV and it is the medical and educational communities responsibility and obligation to make sure that all people (including gay people) are well versed in the ways of safe sex and the reasons why safe sex and prevention are better. This whole abstinence as a means of prevention is just bullshit because let's face it people are going to have sex anyway.

    Ok I'm off my soap box. lol
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    Jul 19, 2013 3:24 PM GMT
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    sunjbill said
    ART DECO, you post a lot of good things on RJ, and I'm a Centrist politically since I think both parties are egocentric, but it's been 5 years now and climbing, are Republicans responsible for everything bad in your life, or are they just the easiest ones for you to point a finger to when you are frustrated by something in life?

    Not "everything" but the failure of US sex education most assuredly. Republicans defunded and even outright banned sex education during the Bush years. Abstinence became the only permissible thing taught in many schools. Republican States like Tennessee don't even want the use of the word "gay" to be legal in schools.

    And that trend continues at the State level. Washington and Obama can't prevent it, especially with the Party of No blocking Obama initiatives in Congress.

    So let's not stick our heads in the sand, and say politics is not a part of this problem. It is a MAJOR problem, because one US party has steadfastly stripped sex education from US schools. And that effort is over 10 years old now, continuing right now. When I see STI rates rising due to ignorance, I know who the authors of that ignorance are. And it's not the victims themselves, because you can't know something that you're deliberately blocked from learning.


    I was in high school and middle school in Texas during the Bush years, and I got sex education.