Here's some good news for Repubs

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    Nov 05, 2008 4:59 AM GMT
    Florida's state amendment against gay marriage passed by 62%. Congrats to all RJ Repubs. At the moment California's Prop 8 isn't doing as well, so it's a mixed bag for them.
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    Nov 05, 2008 11:04 AM GMT
    No gay rights in AZ either. Our AZ brethren must be thrilled. Kudos on keeping your second class citizenship, gentlemen.
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    Nov 05, 2008 11:12 AM GMT
    Wait! don't forget Arkansas! Gays can't adopt children there now. Admit it we're a bunch of pedophiles aren't we? And we indocterinate children to our perverted lifestyle.

    Congratz to the GOP for standing up for what is morally right!
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    Nov 05, 2008 11:19 AM GMT
    We need to send the US military to these states to fight for democracy.
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    Nov 05, 2008 11:50 AM GMT
    No offense but when did the Dems ever do anything for Gays? Thank you Clinton you were sooo sweet to give us "dont ask dont tell"... I would like to remind you that he had a Dem congress too, but I guess they just had better things to do!!!
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    Nov 05, 2008 12:17 PM GMT
    APSUguy89 saidNo offense but when did the Dems ever do anything for Gays? Thank you Clinton you were sooo sweet to give us "dont ask dont tell"... I would like to remind you that he had a Dem congress too, but I guess they just had better things to do!!!


    My understanding of DADT, which may be wrong, is that Clinton tried to end the ban on gay in the military... but the republicans blocked it ... so he resorted to signing DADT... where gays could serve only in the closet.

    Democrats aside. It oesn't matter if they haven't done much for gay (which that statement could be debated in itself--Democrats have a hard time advancing GLBT rights cause of the threat of a presidentail veto... or when the republicans controlled congress.). What matters is that Republicans or more broadly, conservatives, are the reason why our society goes "back" and/or does not progress at a steady rate.

    Who backed all these anti-gay bills this year in Cali, AK, FL, and AZ? Conservatives... not liberals. I have to say though some moderate republicans stood against their party and called out for equality ... which is always cool.

    But as a majority... Republicans are holding our movement, and many other movements (e.g. women's rights, Science/research, education, etc.) back.
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    Nov 05, 2008 12:18 PM GMT
    As for Florida passing Amendment 2 banning equal marriage, I am now even happier that I moved to Massachusetts. The wingnuts can have Florida.

    I am happy for Connecticut. Equal marriage is legal and will remain so because the voters said no to a constitutional convention to amend the state constitution to ban equal marriage.

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    Nov 05, 2008 12:37 PM GMT
    APSUguy89 said, "No offense but when did the Dems ever do anything for Gays? Thank you Clinton you were sooo sweet to give us "dont ask dont tell"... I would like to remind you that he had a Dem congress too, but I guess they just had better things to do!!!"


    You need to understand the context of the political situation at the time. It was a compromise in order to move the over-riding agenda forward. It's like the old saying, "Pick your battles." No politician can ever be successful and be a force behind an agenda if they cannot get something out of nothing,
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    Nov 05, 2008 12:56 PM GMT
    coolHUSSEINdude saidAPSUguy89 said, "No offense but when did the Dems ever do anything for Gays? Thank you Clinton you were sooo sweet to give us "dont ask dont tell"... I would like to remind you that he had a Dem congress too, but I guess they just had better things to do!!!"


    You need to understand the context of the political situation at the time. It was a compromise in order to move the over-riding agenda forward. It's like the old saying, "Pick your battles." No politician can ever be successful and be a force behind an agenda if they cannot get something out of nothing,


    Exactly right. The Repub Congressional leadership threatened not only to defeat anything more ambitious that Clinton attempted, but to hammer Dems with the issue in the next election. Using gays as a wedge issue is something the Repubs subsequently perfected, though its effectiveness has slipped a little in this election.

    The other problem Clinton faced was a threat of wholesale resignations by senior Generals & Admirals. Personally I would have let them walk, and without giving them their customary permanent rank in retirement. But Clinton feared the disruption to the command structure, and the negative political consequences.

    (3 and 4-star rank is a special category, and requires the President to submit those senior officers to the Senate for specific permission to retire at their full rank. Otherwise they can retire no higher than 2-star rank)
  • cowboyathlete

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    Nov 05, 2008 1:00 PM GMT
    Four out of five Baptist divorcees support traditional marriage....that is the irony of it. Local and national sexual scandals always seem to involve straight folks. There has been a rash of school teachers sleeping with their opposite sex students.
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    Nov 05, 2008 1:01 PM GMT
    This is so depressing. Thank heavens in Canada gay rights go across all Provinces and are not different for each one.

    In the long run the states that throw up these discriminatory barriers will be the losers. They will turn away highly educated, qualified people who will gravitate to more welcoming states.

    As for DADT, Clinton was facing a rebellion amongst the Joint Chiefs of Staff as well as opposition from the Republicans. It might have been better to pick this battle after his first year.