Delays to Obamacare to cost at least $10billion; Update: White House has known for months

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    Jul 02, 2013 11:54 PM GMT
    http://www.policymic.com/articles/32513/obamacare-exchanges-delayed-to-2015-obama-now-turns-to-mass-marketing

    The prognosis isn’t looking too good for the implementation of the labyrinthine Obamacare law.

    The Obama administration announced this week that special exchanges designed to “make it easier” for small businesses to provide affordable health care insurance for employees will be delayed again to 2015 in the 33 states where the federal government will be running the exchanges.

    As Robert Pear of the New York Times explains, “The law calls for a new insurance marketplace specifically for small businesses, starting next year. But in most states, employers will not be able to get what Congress intended: the option to provide workers with a choice of health plans. They will instead be limited to a single plan.

    “The promise of affordable health insurance for small businesses was portrayed as a major advantage of the new health care law, mentioned often by White House officials and Democratic leaders in Congress as they fought opponents of the legislation.”

    Since insurance is more expensive for small businesses anyway, it’ll just be cheaper for them to pay the penalty and dump employees into the government exchanges than it would be to pay for the insurance. The non-partisan Congressional Budget Office projects the penalties to bring in a total of $13 billion a year in revenue – or only about 30 hours worth of federal spending.

    Many other people are finding out they’re losing their plans as well due to Obamacare, from part-time employees to spouses. In fact, the CBO projected this year a total of 7 million people will lose their employment-based coverage, almost double its original estimation. The total number of people participating in those exchanges is projected to grow from 7 million in 2014 – the first year they’ll be available – to 24 million in 2016.
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    Jul 03, 2013 12:00 AM GMT
    Too late for me. Our company informed us in May that they were dumping the employer sponsored health insurance and we were on our own to buy our own insurance in the California exchange.

    Now, I wonder WHY they are delaying this to 2015. Could there possibly be an election coming up in 2014 and they want to take this issue off the table?
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    Jul 03, 2013 12:02 AM GMT
    Unintended / Presentmind / Sock Account saidhttp://newsone.com/1424285/gop-site-plans-to-infiltrate-progressive-with-trolls/


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    Jul 03, 2013 1:28 AM GMT
    Unintended saidhttp://newsone.com/1424285/gop-site-plans-to-infiltrate-progressive-with-trolls/


    Do you believe that this delay is reflective of its success? Or will lead to more likely success?
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    Jul 03, 2013 1:46 AM GMT
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    Unintended saidhttp://newsone.com/1424285/gop-site-plans-to-infiltrate-progressive-with-trolls/


    Do you believe that this delay is reflective of its success? Or will lead to more likely success?


    Bingo to my post.


    You do realize I've never claimed that I was "progressive". Far from it - "libertarian" would be what I would characterize myself as...
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    Jul 03, 2013 2:32 PM GMT
    By pushing this off to after the mid-term elections, President Obama is just going to make it that much harder for Democrats to be elected in 2016 because by then tens of millions of Americans will have lost their health insurance coverage and many more will have had to change doctors because of the Affordable Care Act.
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    Jul 03, 2013 3:04 PM GMT
    chefBH saidBy pushing this off to after the mid-term elections, President Obama is just going to make it that much harder for Democrats to be elected in 2016 because by then tens of millions of Americans will have lost their health insurance coverage and many more will have had to change doctors because of the Affordable Care Act.


    I suspect that there were a number of Democratic strategists who were hoping that the Supreme Court would overturn Obamacare for this very reason... to have something that would galvanize the base after all the massive screwups they've had...

    And now in preparation for the midterms you have all these scandals that are far from dead...
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    Jul 03, 2013 4:13 PM GMT
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    chefBH saidBy pushing this off to after the mid-term elections, President Obama is just going to make it that much harder for Democrats to be elected in 2016 because by then tens of millions of Americans will have lost their health insurance coverage and many more will have had to change doctors because of the Affordable Care Act.


    I suspect that there were a number of Democratic strategists who were hoping that the Supreme Court would overturn Obamacare for this very reason... to have something that would galvanize the base after all the massive screwups they've had...

    And now in preparation for the midterms you have all these scandals that are far from dead...


    Oh well the scandals - there are so many of them - are probably not going to amount to any real damage. The disclosure of the scandals did what little damage could be done, but they won't be covered in the main media outlets here going forward.
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    Jul 03, 2013 4:21 PM GMT
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    chefBH saidBy pushing this off to after the mid-term elections, President Obama is just going to make it that much harder for Democrats to be elected in 2016 because by then tens of millions of Americans will have lost their health insurance coverage and many more will have had to change doctors because of the Affordable Care Act.


    I suspect that there were a number of Democratic strategists who were hoping that the Supreme Court would overturn Obamacare for this very reason... to have something that would galvanize the base after all the massive screwups they've had...

    And now in preparation for the midterms you have all these scandals that are far from dead...


    Oh well the scandals - there are so many of them - are probably not going to amount to any real damage. The disclosure of the scandals did what little damage could be done, but they won't be covered in the main media outlets here going forward.


    I think the real danger in the scandals though is that they'll depress the base while galvanizing tea partiers/activists.
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    Jul 03, 2013 5:48 PM GMT
    More here:
    http://dailycaller.com/2013/07/03/heritage-obamacare-delays-costs-10-billion-at-least/
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    Jul 03, 2013 7:13 PM GMT
    riddler78 saidMore here:
    http://dailycaller.com/2013/07/03/heritage-obamacare-delays-costs-10-billion-at-least/


    Oh that's not too much. How much does the country add to the debt each day? I bet $10 billion is added to the debt at least every few days.
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    Jul 04, 2013 2:49 AM GMT
    "Health-Law Penalty Delay Clouds Individual Mandate"

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324260204578584161462651662.html
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    Jul 04, 2013 12:59 PM GMT
    "Obama allies downplay decision to delay employer mandate for one year"

    http://thehill.com/blogs/healthwatch/health-reform-implementation/309133-obama-allies-downplay-decision-to-delay-obamacare-employer-mandate
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    Jul 04, 2013 12:59 PM GMT
    It would be interesting if the GOP or one of its allies tried to seek an injunction to have the order imposed. Heck, this could happen as a result of one of the activists that had formerly been a supporter of Obama.

    "GOP questions legality of mandate order"

    http://thehill.com/blogs/healthwatch/health-reform-implementation/309129-gop-questions-legality-of-mandate-delay
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    Jul 04, 2013 4:26 PM GMT
    riddler78 saidIt would be interesting if the GOP or one of its allies tried to seek an injunction to have the order imposed. Heck, this could happen as a result of one of the activists that had formerly been a supporter of Obama.

    "GOP questions legality of mandate order"

    http://thehill.com/blogs/healthwatch/health-reform-implementation/309129-gop-questions-legality-of-mandate-delay



    Hmmm. That would be an interesting turn of events. I think the problem is that Congress passes laws but gives too much authority to the Executive branch (the Departments and Agencies) to interpret the law and then write the rules and regulations. So you end up with Congress delegating much of its power to the bureaucrats and to the president himself.

    But it would be an interesting test to see if Congress could insist upon implementing the law 'as written' (if the timetable was even written into the law).
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    Jul 04, 2013 6:52 PM GMT
    "Obama decides not to enforce the heart of his health-care law."

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323899704578583493972896364.html?mod=WSJ_Opinion_LEADTop

    These columns fought the Affordable Care Act from start to passage, and we'd now like to apologize to our readers. It turns out we weren't nearly critical enough. The law's implementation is turning into a fiasco for the ages, and this week's version is the lawless White House decision to delay the law's insurance mandate for businesses, though not for individuals.

    The employer mandate is central to ObamaCare's claim of providing universal coverage. Companies with 50 or more "employee equivalents" must pay a $2,000 penalty per full-time employee if they don't provide government-approved health insurance. The provision was supposed to start in January, and delaying it is like Ford saying its electric car is ready to go, except the electric battery doesn't work.

    But all of a sudden on Tuesday evening Mark Mazur—you know him as the deputy assistant Treasury secretary for tax policy—published a blog post canceling the insurance reporting rules and tax enforcement until 2015 as Washington began to evacuate for the long Independence Day weekend. Enjoy the holiday, mate.

    White House fixer Valerie Jarrett tried to contain the fallout with a separate blog post promising that ObamaCare is otherwise "staying the course." That's true only if she's referring to the carelessness and improvisation that have defined the law so far.
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    Jul 04, 2013 10:27 PM GMT
    "Political posturing and corporatist collusion: The backstory of Obamacare’s imperiled employer mandate"

    http://washingtonexaminer.com/political-posturing-and-corporatist-collusion-the-backstory-of-obamacares-imperiled-employer-mandate/article/2532663
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    Jul 04, 2013 11:22 PM GMT
    PaulaDeen saidThough Obamacare may be the worst idea in humanity, Ive yet to see anything sober challenge it.
    Healthcare, unlike the internet, IS serious business.


    BEST. COMMENT. EVER. on this topic.

    It was time 2+ years ago for the opposition to offer that sober challenge, to offer an alternative to "the worst idea in humanity".

    Now their time has passed.
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    Jul 04, 2013 11:58 PM GMT
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    PaulaDeen saidThough Obamacare may be the worst idea in humanity, Ive yet to see anything sober challenge it.
    Healthcare, unlike the internet, IS serious business.


    BEST. COMMENT. EVER. on this topic.

    It was time 2+ years ago for the opposition to offer that sober challenge, to offer an alternative to "the worst idea in humanity".

    Now their time has passed.


    Right... There have been many solutions proposed and rejected because they require too little government overreach - and now you have the scandal plagued IRS enforcing the law. The time for Obamacare will pass - but only because it will collapse under its own weight as predicted. The idea that doing "something" is better than "nothing" as an alternative is always better is also a logical fail.

    The amusing part is that you seem to have faith despite all the implementation problems to date and the skyrocketing premiums. Most people go with the adage fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me. You seem to just enjoy being shamed ;)

    On the positive side of things, the fact that so many primary care physicians are going cash is a good thing and lays the foundation for a more sustainable healthcare system that doesn't require insurers to pay for everything because it's insurance coverage.
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    Jul 05, 2013 10:44 AM GMT
    Unintended saidhttp://newsone.com/1424285/gop-site-plans-to-infiltrate-progressive-with-trolls/


    Redstate isn't quite a GOP site - and this isn't a "progressive" site.
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    Jul 05, 2013 11:23 AM GMT
    "Obamacare Delay: What it Means for Employers"
    http://blogs.wsj.com/corporate-intelligence/2013/07/03/obamacare-delay-what-it-means-for-employers/

    This week’s windfall for employers is a setback to many employees, who might face penalties of their own if they don’t have coverage as individuals through an employer, spouse or other means.

    The provision under the law that requires individuals to carry health coverage, or pay a fine, is still in effect come January. Low-wage earners, who can’t afford their workplace plans, may be eligible for Medicaid or seek coverage through a government-run exchange. If that’s still too costly, they may simply opt to pay a small penalty, or could apply for a “hardship” exemption.

    “The likelihood is that the employee is going to have to pay more, and maybe a lot more” for individual coverage than he or she might have paid for employer-sponsored coverage, said Mr. Lewis, of the human resources consulting firm.
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    Jul 05, 2013 2:08 PM GMT
    AlSharpton said
    riddler78 said
    NewMtler said
    PaulaDeen saidThough Obamacare may be the worst idea in humanity, Ive yet to see anything sober challenge it.
    Healthcare, unlike the internet, IS serious business.


    BEST. COMMENT. EVER. on this topic.

    It was time 2+ years ago for the opposition to offer that sober challenge, to offer an alternative to "the worst idea in humanity".

    Now their time has passed.


    Right... There have been many solutions proposed and rejected because they require too little government overreach - and now you have the scandal plagued IRS enforcing the law. The time for Obamacare will pass - but only because it will collapse under its own weight as predicted. The idea that doing "something" is better than "nothing" as an alternative is always better is also a logical fail.

    The amusing part is that you seem to have faith despite all the implementation problems to date and the skyrocketing premiums. Most people go with the adage fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me. You seem to just enjoy being shamed ;)

    On the positive side of things, the fact that so many primary care physicians are going cash is a good thing and lays the foundation for a more sustainable healthcare system that doesn't require insurers to pay for everything because it's insurance coverage.


    How can everyone afford healthcare through the cash plan? What alternative plans have been proposed, if it was so good they'd propose it again.


    And they are being proposed. The idea would be to have something where for little things it's cheap like $50-60 a visit - less than the cost of tuning up your car, and then you could get coverage for the big things like accidents, cancer, etc. This kind of coverage is fairly inexpensive but for those who can't afford that, there could be vouchers or subsidies.

    The problem for primary care physicians is that as much as 40% if not more of their costs are from administration and trying to comply with various insurers/medicaid. And with Obamacare it's getting worse with ICD-10. Doctors are choosing just not to spend as much on administration and cutting out the middle men by going cash and passing on most of those savings to patients. I see that only as a good thing.
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    Jul 06, 2013 2:57 AM GMT
    Unintended said
    riddler78 said
    AlSharpton said
    riddler78 said
    NewMtler said
    PaulaDeen saidThough Obamacare may be the worst idea in humanity, Ive yet to see anything sober challenge it.
    Healthcare, unlike the internet, IS serious business.


    BEST. COMMENT. EVER. on this topic.

    It was time 2+ years ago for the opposition to offer that sober challenge, to offer an alternative to "the worst idea in humanity".

    Now their time has passed.


    Right... There have been many solutions proposed and rejected because they require too little government overreach - and now you have the scandal plagued IRS enforcing the law. The time for Obamacare will pass - but only because it will collapse under its own weight as predicted. The idea that doing "something" is better than "nothing" as an alternative is always better is also a logical fail.

    The amusing part is that you seem to have faith despite all the implementation problems to date and the skyrocketing premiums. Most people go with the adage fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me. You seem to just enjoy being shamed ;)

    On the positive side of things, the fact that so many primary care physicians are going cash is a good thing and lays the foundation for a more sustainable healthcare system that doesn't require insurers to pay for everything because it's insurance coverage.


    How can everyone afford healthcare through the cash plan? What alternative plans have been proposed, if it was so good they'd propose it again.


    And they are being proposed. The idea would be to have something where for little things it's cheap like $50-60 a visit - less than the cost of tuning up your car, and then you could get coverage for the big things like accidents, cancer, etc. This kind of coverage is fairly inexpensive but for those who can't afford that, there could be vouchers or subsidies.

    The problem for primary care physicians is that as much as 40% if not more of their costs are from administration and trying to comply with various insurers/medicaid. And with Obamacare it's getting worse with ICD-10. Doctors are choosing just not to spend as much on administration and cutting out the middle men by going cash and passing on most of those savings to patients. I see that only as a good thing.


    Quite the authority for somebody who has never been to an American doctor or worked in an American doctor's office. icon_lol.gif


    I'm not sure you need to directly experience to realize the inefficiency in administrative costs but for the record I have had a US primary care physician and been to a few American doctors' offices.
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    Jul 07, 2013 2:58 AM GMT
    Sharpton said
    riddler78 said
    AlSharpton said
    riddler78 said
    NewMtler said
    PaulaDeen saidThough Obamacare may be the worst idea in humanity, Ive yet to see anything sober challenge it.
    Healthcare, unlike the internet, IS serious business.


    BEST. COMMENT. EVER. on this topic.

    It was time 2+ years ago for the opposition to offer that sober challenge, to offer an alternative to "the worst idea in humanity".

    Now their time has passed.


    Right... There have been many solutions proposed and rejected because they require too little government overreach - and now you have the scandal plagued IRS enforcing the law. The time for Obamacare will pass - but only because it will collapse under its own weight as predicted. The idea that doing "something" is better than "nothing" as an alternative is always better is also a logical fail.

    The amusing part is that you seem to have faith despite all the implementation problems to date and the skyrocketing premiums. Most people go with the adage fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me. You seem to just enjoy being shamed ;)

    On the positive side of things, the fact that so many primary care physicians are going cash is a good thing and lays the foundation for a more sustainable healthcare system that doesn't require insurers to pay for everything because it's insurance coverage.


    How can everyone afford healthcare through the cash plan? What alternative plans have been proposed, if it was so good they'd propose it again.


    And they are being proposed. The idea would be to have something where for little things it's cheap like $50-60 a visit - less than the cost of tuning up your car, and then you could get coverage for the big things like accidents, cancer, etc. This kind of coverage is fairly inexpensive but for those who can't afford that, there could be vouchers or subsidies.

    The problem for primary care physicians is that as much as 40% if not more of their costs are from administration and trying to comply with various insurers/medicaid. And with Obamacare it's getting worse with ICD-10. Doctors are choosing just not to spend as much on administration and cutting out the middle men by going cash and passing on most of those savings to patients. I see that only as a good thing.


    And what if someone doesn't have 40-50 for routine check-ups?
    What if someone can't get a voucher or subsidy?

    What does the voucher or subsidy entail?


    Some are more some are less. It's like the idea of rent - do you expect the government or insurance to pay for your housing? Rent is considerably more expensive but presumably you do or will find a way to budget for it. Food is as well and except in extraordinary circumstances that have nothing to do with resources, do people starve in the US.

    There are different proposals for the idea of subsidies and vouchers when it comes to excess of loss insurance. This idea that it's Obamacare or nothing - especially considering how convoluted the bill is that I'm guessing you haven't tried to even rationalize, is not a reasonable or rational argument.
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    Jul 07, 2013 8:06 PM GMT
    Unintended saidRiddle78 is a paid troll, don't waste your time on his posts.

    But paid by whom? What country or countries would benefit from his constant stream of anti-US propaganda?

    But anyone who writes the following to meninlove really doesn't have any credibility anyway, does he?

    Haha you are such a buffoon. I've never even seen that thread. You seem to think that you're important enough for me to read everything you write. Newsflash - your level of intelligence being on par with some vegetables, does not demand the attention you think it does.