The same liberal fools that cry over dogs at the pound being euthanized, don't a have a qualm about aborting human babies.

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    Jul 03, 2013 12:19 AM GMT
    The same liberal fools that cry over dogs at the pound being euthanized, don't a have a qualm about aborting human babies. Abortion is Murder. How can anyone say they are for animal rights and not for human rights?
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    Jul 03, 2013 12:22 AM GMT
    Don't write things like that. You won't be "popular" here.
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    Jul 03, 2013 12:25 AM GMT
    chefBH saidDon't write things like that. You won't be "popular" here.


    I know, but i am a man who is not afraid to fight for what is right. I am honest, and passionate about my beliefs. But thank you for posting Chef..
  • tazzari

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    Jul 03, 2013 12:27 AM GMT
    flexonyou saidThe same liberal fools that cry over dogs at the pound being euthanized, don't a have a qualm about aborting human babies. Abortion is Murder. How can anyone say they are for animal rights and not for human rights?


    All of them?

    How do you know they're fools? You're certain they don't have well-reasoned answers?
  • Menergy_1

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    Jul 03, 2013 1:14 PM GMT
    Except the fetuses are not "babies" yet - not until they pop out, really. So it's not murdering human babies technically, to abort early in the pregnancy. An emotional issue, yes. Murder, no. And it's legal in the USA.
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    Jul 03, 2013 1:40 PM GMT
    How many unwanted children have you adopted?
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    Jul 03, 2013 1:53 PM GMT
    As a liberal, I can attest I have never cried over a dog being euthanized.

    Nor have I cried over the termination of a developing mammal, after the embryonic stage and before birth, though I do believe such terminations ought to be avoided where possible (as is dictated by the law in most jurisdictions).
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    OP, I applaud your commitment to never have an abortion. I trust that you will never find it medically necessary to break your vow.

    But try to have some understanding of the WOMANwho does have to make this choice.

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    Jul 03, 2013 4:27 PM GMT
    DalTX saidHow many unwanted children have you adopted?


    Well OP and Cheffie?
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    Jul 03, 2013 7:38 PM GMT
    flexonyou saidThe same liberal fools that cry over dogs at the pound being euthanized, don't a have a qualm about aborting human babies. Abortion is Murder. How can anyone say they are for animal rights and not for human rights?


    The same "fools" who believe abstinence is an effective sex-education program, the same "fools" who call Sandra Fluke a slut for suggesting that insurance plans should cover birth control, the same "fools" who supposedly are all about freedom, the same "fools" who can't stand government intervention in their lives... I could go on.

    FYI, a fetus is not a baby.
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    Jul 03, 2013 9:44 PM GMT
    chefBH saidDon't write things like that. You won't be "popular" here.


    Oh great, just what RealJock needs -- another conservative manchild whining about liberals, followed by another washed-up teabagger whining about how unpopular he is. *yawn* What crybabies.

    There's a solution to the unpopularity of RealJock's conservanuts: go away.
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    chefBH saidDon't write things like that. You won't be "popular" here.


    Oh great, just what RealJock needs -- another conservative manchild whining about liberals, followed by another washed-up teabagger whining about how unpopular he is. *yawn* What crybabies.

    There's a solution to the unpopularity of RealJock's conservanuts: go away.


    Sure beats being a self loathing, ape lipped, chicken hawk chasing barely legal white bois, Rue.
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    chefBH saidDon't write things like that. You won't be "popular" here.
    There's a solution to the unpopularity of RealJock's conservanuts:.
    Yep...a time machine + abortion. icon_twisted.gif
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    Jul 03, 2013 10:17 PM GMT
    It's a woman's choice if she wants to be pregnant. Abortions are very common. One out of three women under 45 in the US have had at least one abortion, many of them teens in red states with no access to contraceptives. Are you going to start putting 30,000,000 women in prison? You can't force women to be pregnant just because you're a man. Women have sovereignty over their bodies.

    http://m.plannedparenthood.org/mt/www.plannedparenthood.org/health-topics/abortion-4260.asp
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    Jul 04, 2013 3:49 AM GMT
    freedomisntfree said
    TroyAthlete said
    chefBH saidDon't write things like that. You won't be "popular" here.


    Oh great, just what RealJock needs -- another conservative manchild whining about liberals, followed by another washed-up teabagger whining about how unpopular he is. *yawn* What crybabies.

    There's a solution to the unpopularity of RealJock's conservanuts: go away.


    Sure beats being a self loathing, ape lipped, chicken hawk chasing barely legal white bois, Rue.


    I believe "ape-lipped" should be a hyphenated compound you racist piece of sh!t.
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    Jul 04, 2013 4:18 AM GMT
    My friend,
    The people you call 'fools' will also go against the crimes of, 'IF the humans were euthanized because they are considered as burden'
    you compare abortion with killing after birth.

    We also abort our pets if they are pregnant & we don't want their babies.

    Humans abort at the age of 20-28 weeks of gestation depending on the nation, after that we are not allowed.
    Unlike us, we kill animals for meat, leather,clothes, and several wide range of things. you should also consider these crimes.

    I don't say that abortion is not crime. I didn't came to an opinion or final conclusion on this, but I know that an animal life is as much as important as a human life, no more, no less... all are equal.
    And from this opinion I say that giving importance to one & less importance to other is not appropriate.

    Those who hold and support animal rights alone are not right
    Those who hold and support human rights alone are also not right.
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    Jul 04, 2013 6:29 AM GMT
    mke_bt said
    freedomisntfree said
    TroyAthlete said
    chefBH saidDon't write things like that. You won't be "popular" here.


    Oh great, just what RealJock needs -- another conservative manchild whining about liberals, followed by another washed-up teabagger whining about how unpopular he is. *yawn* What crybabies.

    There's a solution to the unpopularity of RealJock's conservanuts: go away.


    Sure beats being a self loathing, ape lipped, chicken hawk chasing barely legal white bois, Rue.


    I believe "ape-lipped" should be a hyphenated compound you racist piece of sh!t.


    Oh girlfriend .... you another internet tough gay? I'm impressed

    ButT should it be hyphenated??? Yeah probably true, but I don't really know as I've never used the term before.
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    Jul 04, 2013 4:58 PM GMT
    I guess then that the only tiny difference between controlling pet overpopulation and providing for human rights might be a woman's sovereignty over her own body.

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    Jul 04, 2013 5:39 PM GMT
    HottJoe said You can't force women to be pregnant just because you're a man.


    I believe an attempt at forcing a woman to be pregnant would be defined as rape.
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    Jul 04, 2013 5:42 PM GMT
    HottJoe saidIt's a woman's choice if she wants to be pregnant. Abortions are very common. One out of three women under 45 in the US have had at least one abortion, many of them teens in red states with no access to contraceptives. Are you going to start putting 30,000,000 women in prison? You can't force women to be pregnant just because you're a man. Women have sovereignty over their bodies.

    http://m.plannedparenthood.org/mt/www.plannedparenthood.org/health-topics/abortion-4260.asp

    Yes, women have sovereignty over their bodies.

    However, there is a separate, distinct body growing in the womb, with its own DNA and everything.
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    Jul 04, 2013 5:47 PM GMT
    chefBH said
    HottJoe said You can't force women to be pregnant just because you're a man.


    I believe an attempt at forcing a woman to be pregnant would be defined as rape.

    So you're saying pro lifers are like rapists? I guess it's true that rape is about power, and power is about control, and controlling a woman's body against her will is similar to rape.
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    Jul 04, 2013 5:53 PM GMT
    libertpaulian said
    HottJoe saidIt's a woman's choice if she wants to be pregnant. Abortions are very common. One out of three women under 45 in the US have had at least one abortion, many of them teens in red states with no access to contraceptives. Are you going to start putting 30,000,000 women in prison? You can't force women to be pregnant just because you're a man. Women have sovereignty over their bodies.

    http://m.plannedparenthood.org/mt/www.plannedparenthood.org/health-topics/abortion-4260.asp

    Yes, women have sovereignty over their bodies.

    However, there is a separate, distinct body growing in the womb, with its own DNA and everything.

    So you think the rights of the fetus mean that women can be forced to be pregnant against their will? If so, how will you enforce it? Bear in mind that 1 out of 3 women have had an abortion. That's a lot of people to enslave.
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    Jul 04, 2013 5:57 PM GMT
    This isn't really an argument for a group of gay men. I came to my pro choice views after talking to women who have experienced making reproductive choices which none of us will ever have to make. I suggest you talk to them, too, and not let Southbeach, or the OP make decisions for girls and women.icon_idea.gif
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    Jul 04, 2013 6:11 PM GMT
    libertpaulian saidHowever, there is a separate, distinct body growing in the womb, with its own DNA and everything.


    You might be able to argue that once a fetus is old enough to sustain itself as well as a baby outside of the womb. And even that presumes society is willing, ready and able to financially and by human and mechanical resources support the life of that then born child. Up until that point, which is pretty well definable, a fetus, like any life fully dependent upon another life, does not own that other life, has no rights to it and by extension has no right to life.

    A baby has a right to life. The life of a fetus is not a right to life but a privilege in life at the sole discretion of woman because her body is sovereign.

    To argue that she is not able to make a decision to abort at that point would be to say that if she does anything to harm the fetus--cleaning the house, walking downstairs, picking up something heavy--anything which might induce a miscarriage would be prosecutable as murder, even if the charge would simply be involuntary manslaughter. Are you ready to open that door?

    Abortion is killing life. But if it is murder, then so is a miscarriage which could have been prevented by isolating the woman to bed rest during her entire pregnancy, which is, of course, as ridiculous as is your argument for the delusional so-called rights of a fetus.
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    libertpaulian saidHowever, there is a separate, distinct body growing in the womb, with its own DNA and everything.

    Abortion is killing life. But if it is murder, than so is a miscarriage which could have been prevented by isolating the woman to bed rest during her entire pregnancy, which is of course, ridiculous, as is your argument for the delusional so-called rights of a fetus.

    I believe the issue is *intent*.

    A woman who does a lot of housecleaning which leads to the miscarriage, in your scenario, would probably not even get accidental or grossly negligent homicide...most prosecutors probably wouldn't even bother with charging her, in a scenario with harsh anti-abortion laws.