Florida Gays looking for our Edie Winsor

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    Jul 03, 2013 6:23 PM GMT
    http://www.ontopmag.com/article.aspx?id=15716&MediaType=1&Category=26

    I wonder if they can find a couple willing to challenge it? If I were with someone to the point I was considering marriage I'd do it.
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    Jul 04, 2013 12:42 AM GMT
    Ask Art_Deco or jmusmc85 or you can do it
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    Jul 04, 2013 12:46 AM GMT
    Turin saidAsk Art_Deco or jmusmc85 or you can do it


    Lol Art Deco has a husband and I'm good on that second one. I'm not a top.
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    Jul 04, 2013 12:53 AM GMT
    Stop talking like I'm not in the same room guys geez...icon_neutral.gif
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    Jul 04, 2013 12:57 AM GMT
    jmusmc85 saidStop talking like I'm not in the same room guys geez...icon_neutral.gif


    icon_redface.gif You can do it mon amiicon_razz.gif
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    Jul 04, 2013 1:07 AM GMT
    jmusmc85 saidStop talking like I'm not in the same room guys geez...icon_neutral.gif


    I'm just stating the truth. Do you really wanna be my bottom?
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    Jul 04, 2013 2:16 AM GMT
    I received this e-mail July 1 from Equality Florida:

    Dear ROBERT,

    After consulting with state and national legal experts on the scope of the Supreme Court decision and the impact it may have for state constitutional bans, Equality Florida is reaching out to find potential plaintiffs for a lawsuit in Florida.

    When we launched Get Engaged, our campaign to change hearts and minds toward supporting the freedom to marry, we asked you to tell your story. In state after state where equality has been achieved, telling the authentic stories of our families has paved the way.

    As we explore the very real potential of going to court to protect our families, we want to know if you are willing to tell your story not only to the public but also to the court.

    Are you willing to be considered as a plaintiff in a Florida marriage lawsuit? Click here to start the process.

    Onward,

    Nadine Smith, Executive Director
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    Jul 04, 2013 2:24 AM GMT
    ART_DECO saidI received this e-mail July 1 from Equality Florida:

    Dear ROBERT,

    After consulting with state and national legal experts on the scope of the Supreme Court decision and the impact it may have for state constitutional bans, Equality Florida is reaching out to find potential plaintiffs for a lawsuit in Florida.

    When we launched Get Engaged, our campaign to change hearts and minds toward supporting the freedom to marry, we asked you to tell your story. In state after state where equality has been achieved, telling the authentic stories of our families has paved the way.

    As we explore the very real potential of going to court to protect our families, we want to know if you are willing to tell your story not only to the public but also to the court.

    Are you willing to be considered as a plaintiff in a Florida marriage lawsuit? Click here to start the process.

    Onward,

    Nadine Smith, Executive Director


    Go for it... You have indeed a compelling story and would make a plaintiff that a Florida jury may be sympathetic to.
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    Jul 04, 2013 3:11 AM GMT
    Whipmagic said
    Go for it... You have indeed a compelling story and would make a plaintiff that a Florida jury may be sympathetic to.

    I doubt my "story" would compel anyone, just another old guy who'd like to legally marry the man I already call my husband.
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    Jul 04, 2013 3:15 AM GMT
    ART_DECO said
    Whipmagic said
    Go for it... You have indeed a compelling story and would make a plaintiff that a Florida jury may be sympathetic to.

    I doubt my "story" would compel anyone, just another old guy who'd like to legally marry the man I already call my husband.


    Edie was just an old lady who wanted the same legal rights you did and she fought for them. Rosa Parks was just a poor black woman who was tired and didn't want to be treated like a second class citizen anymore. Dr. King was just a preacher who taught a message of inclusiveness. Obama was just the son of a single mom who wanted to make a change in the world when he grew up. Oprah was just a teenage girl who after suffering years of abuse wanted to be someone others could look up to.

    Greatness comes unlikely people.
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    Jul 04, 2013 11:26 PM GMT
    There seems to be some confusion here.
    I'm thinking that what you want is legalized gay marriage, for Florida.

    That's not what the Edie Windsor case was about.

    She and her same sex spouse were already legally married, when her spouse died and left her estate to her wife.
    With straight marriages, if one spouse dies, the estate automatically goes to the surviving partner, and that partner has to pay NO Federal taxes on that inheritance.
    Under DOMA, Edie was liable for the Federal taxes on the inheritance, because DOMA only recognized marriages between men and women.
    Edie sued, and won.
    The Supreme Court ruled that legally married gay people were entitled to the same Federal benefits as legally married straight people.

    The United States Supreme Court did not legalize gay marriage, anywhere.

    With California's Proposition 8 case, they simply ruled that the people who brought the case before the Supreme Court, were not legally allowed to bring the case before them. So, the lower court ruling (which found Proposition 8 to be unconstitutional), became the law, and Proposition 8 was overturned, and gay marriage was once again legal in California.

    If you're looking to take a case all the way to the Supreme Court, claiming that it's unfair that gay marriage is not legal in Florida, your chances of winning are close to zero. Keep in mind that, in the two recent gay rights victories in the Supreme Court, the Court did not legalize gay marriage, anywhere.


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    Jul 04, 2013 11:31 PM GMT
    Florida is a picky state. It isn't like the northern states that have approved gay marriage that are predominantly democratically controlled.

    Even though we have major cities like Fort Lauderdale, Miami, Tampa, and Orlando that mostly support Democrats, the rest of the state (which largely composes of rural and small suburban areas) are dominated by a Republican presence.

    Besides, gay rights advocacy is pretty rare to find compared to places like Illinois.

    I think it will take Florida at least 2 years in order for some type of argument to be formulated against the state ban.
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    Jul 04, 2013 11:42 PM GMT
    sonicpower19 saidFlorida is a picky state. It isn't like the northern states that have approved gay marriage that are predominantly democratically controlled.

    Even though we have major cities like Fort Lauderdale, Miami, Tampa, and Orlando that mostly support Democrats, the rest of the state (which largely composes of rural and small suburban areas) are dominated by a Republican presence.

    Besides, gay rights advocacy is pretty rare to find compared to places like Illinois.

    I think it will take Florida at least 2 years in order for some type of argument to be formulated against the state ban.


    I don't know I mean even though it does have a very strong Republican control I would say that there is a lot of advocacy in the state. I think the momentum is gaining. I would not be surprised if by 2016 there was a referendum or if we already had some sort of domestic partnership thing.
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    Jul 05, 2013 8:04 AM GMT
    Webster666 saidThere seems to be some confusion here.
    I'm thinking that what you want is legalized gay marriage, for Florida.

    That's not what the Edie Windsor case was about.

    She and her same sex spouse were already legally married, when her spouse died and left her estate to her wife.
    With straight marriages, if one spouse dies, the estate automatically goes to the surviving partner, and that partner has to pay NO Federal taxes on that inheritance.
    Under DOMA, Edie was liable for the Federal taxes on the inheritance, because DOMA only recognized marriages between men and women.
    Edie sued, and won.
    The Supreme Court ruled that legally married gay people were entitled to the same Federal benefits as legally married straight people.

    The United States Supreme Court did not legalize gay marriage, anywhere.

    With California's Proposition 8 case, they simply ruled that the people who brought the case before the Supreme Court, were not legally allowed to bring the case before them. So, the lower court ruling (which found Proposition 8 to be unconstitutional), became the law, and Proposition 8 was overturned, and gay marriage was once again legal in California.

    If you're looking to take a case all the way to the Supreme Court, claiming that it's unfair that gay marriage is not legal in Florida, your chances of winning are close to zero. Keep in mind that, in the two recent gay rights victories in the Supreme Court, the Court did not legalize gay marriage, anywhere.




    now I didn't know this until I saw it on Netflix the other day, Edith has a documentary about her life with Thea a few years before the DOMA fight, I think they were married in NY? or CA in 2008? Edie & Thea: A Very Long Engagement (2009), http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1512779/, I have not seen it