I want to see some positive gay achievements during the Obama administration.

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    Nov 05, 2008 4:12 PM GMT
    Obama won in many states by a sliver. The gay vote helped provide the sliver. I was very happy to hear Obama say "gay" in his victory speech. But I want to see some positive gay achievements duing the Obama administration. We need to be treated as full citizens. We need this administration not to treat us as a constituency that the administraton dares not speak its name.
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    Nov 05, 2008 4:15 PM GMT
    I want to be 6'2".
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    Nov 05, 2008 4:20 PM GMT
    You will see nothing gay-positive out of Obama. It's too risky politically, especially after the trouncing we once again got on these ballot initiatives.

    At least we won't get anti-gay legislation out of this Congress & President. We may have a few friends, but no champions, and no achievements.
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    Nov 05, 2008 4:55 PM GMT
    Yes. It is always good for a president to recognize there are issues with gay rights. I think it is important for Americans who are gay to write letters reminding Obama that we are here and that we support him but encourage him not to forget us and our issues. Not in a complaining way, but in a encouraging way that he help us where possible and that we still have our struggles with discrimination.
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    Nov 05, 2008 4:59 PM GMT
    Timberoo saidI want to be 6'2".

    That would just be gilding the lily. ... icon_wink.gif
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    Nov 05, 2008 5:01 PM GMT
    Red_Vespa saidYou will see nothing gay-positive out of Obama.
    Vespa, don't give up so easily. Write. Like I say, in an encouraging way. We are moving forwards even if slowly.

    Also we did not get utterly trounced. The California thing was almost 50/50. And the fact that so many educated professional people supported us .. all the major papers and major politicians said NO on 8 was still an accomplishment. The civil rights movement had many setbacks even up until 1964. We just need to put forth our cause.
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    Nov 05, 2008 5:02 PM GMT
    I agree completely with ActiveandFit. It's important that things get done, and in order for our government to work in our favor, we need to do EVERYTHING possible to make our voices heard. Every single one of us needs to know who our Congress people are, state and federal, and how to get in touch with them. County and state leaders are really easy to get in touch with, and even your federal leaders are willing to listen. E-mails can be sent, but letters need to be written, faxes faxed, doors knocked on, phones called, and our voices must stay strong.
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    Nov 05, 2008 5:16 PM GMT
    CaslonHussein7000 saidObama won in many states by a sliver. The gay vote helped provide the sliver. I was very happy to hear Obama say "gay" in his victory speech. But I want to see some positive gay achievements duing the Obama administration. We need to be treated as full citizens. We need this administration not to treat us as a constituency that the administraton dares not speak its name.


    I think that hillary women, latinos, blacks, Jews, and every other group, every other constituency and every state can try to take credit somehow for being the "sliver" that put Obama over the top.

    This is not what I want to hear right now.

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    Nov 05, 2008 5:28 PM GMT
    Gentlemen, the onus is on us.

    I want to see some progressive action on gay issues, too. But if we wait around for our straight friends to do the work, we don't deserve it.
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    Nov 05, 2008 5:34 PM GMT
    silverfox1 said
    CaslonHussein7000 saidObama won in many states by a sliver. The gay vote helped provide the sliver. I was very happy to hear Obama say "gay" in his victory speech. But I want to see some positive gay achievements duing the Obama administration. We need to be treated as full citizens. We need this administration not to treat us as a constituency that the administraton dares not speak its name.


    I think that hillary women, latinos, blacks, Jews, and every other group, every other constituency and every state can try to take credit somehow for being the "sliver" that put Obama over the top.

    This is not what I want to hear right now.


    Yes, all the slivers are needed to make a victory. And we can withdraw our sliver at the next election.
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    Nov 05, 2008 5:41 PM GMT
    CaslonHussein7000 said
    Timberoo saidI want to be 6'2".

    That would just be gilding the lily. ... icon_wink.gif


    I am optimistic about New York State. For the first time since 1935, Democrats have the State Assembly, State Senate and the Governor's office.
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    Nov 05, 2008 5:44 PM GMT
    Organizing gays politically is like herding cats. Everyone has a personal agenda, and will refuse to cooperate with a national agenda.

    It's so ironic that homophobes accuse us of having a gay agenda; we couldn't have a unified agenda if it was given to us as a gift with a ribbon on it. That's why we'll never win, never get what we want.

    I read the guys right here on RJ: "Oh, I don't plan to get married, so it doesn't make any difference to me." "I don't care what happens to other gays, just so long as my life isn't affected."

    What made the Black civil rights movement of the 1950s & 60s work was the sense of shared objectives. Gays have no such motivation, being mostly concerned only about themselves personally, unwilling to be bothered with shared goals & issues.

    Plus, we are only 10% of the population at most. Poorly organized, and motivated only for our own immediate-gratification goals, we will always lose politically.

    I love being gay, but I hate other selfish, lazy-ass gays.
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    Nov 05, 2008 5:52 PM GMT
    Red_Vespa saidYou will see nothing gay-positive out of Obama. It's too risky politically, especially after the trouncing we once again got on these ballot initiatives.

    At least we won't get anti-gay legislation out of this Congress & President. We may have a few friends, but no champions, and no achievements.


    I don't know about that. First of all, gay rights legislation would probably originate in a House with an even greater Democrat majority, not with Obama. For instance, if Congress were to pass a federal statue providing for civil unions, I would fully expect Obama to sign that bill. I just don't think he'll be the one to take the lead on such sweeping legislation, although I do think you'll see a much more inclusive executive branch than the current one. I do, however, believe that Obama would veto federal legislation to legalize same-sex marriage.
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    Nov 05, 2008 5:53 PM GMT
    Timberoo saidI want to be 6'2".


    I want a 32" waist with 4% body fat. icon_lol.gif
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    Nov 05, 2008 5:54 PM GMT
    Red_Vespa saidOrganizing gays politically is like herding cats.


    What an awesome simile. It hit a little close to home, though.
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    Nov 05, 2008 5:55 PM GMT
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    I don't know about that. First of all, gay rights legislation would probably originate in a House with an even greater Democrat majority, not with Obama. For instance, if Congress were to pass a federal statue providing for civil unions, I would fully expect Obama to sign that bill. I just don't think he'll be the one to take the lead on such sweeping legislation, although I do think you'll see a much more inclusive executive branch than the current one. I do, however, believe that Obama would veto federal legislation to legalize same-sex marriage.


    You're dreaming. No Dems would risk their Congressional seats over it. Second, Repubs would filibuster in the Senate to block it. Ain't ever gonna happen in our lifetimes.
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    Nov 05, 2008 5:59 PM GMT
    Red_Vespa said
    ruck_us said
    I don't know about that. First of all, gay rights legislation would probably originate in a House with an even greater Democrat majority, not with Obama. For instance, if Congress were to pass a federal statue providing for civil unions, I would fully expect Obama to sign that bill. I just don't think he'll be the one to take the lead on such sweeping legislation, although I do think you'll see a much more inclusive executive branch than the current one. I do, however, believe that Obama would veto federal legislation to legalize same-sex marriage.


    You're dreaming. No Dems would risk their Congressional seats over it. Second, Repubs would filibuster in the Senate to block it. Ain't ever gonna happen in our lifetimes.



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    Nov 05, 2008 6:07 PM GMT
    I think we will, but there are other priorities, namely the economy. It meant so much just to be included in his comments. Inclusion is something we've been missing for eight long years.

    As he said, he might not get to everything he wants in one year or even one term.

    I'm sure he knows the lgbt vote helped. But so did the black vote, the Hispanic vote, the youth vote, and he even got more white voters than Kerry. I don't think one group can claim ownership on putting him over the top.
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    Nov 05, 2008 7:57 PM GMT
    "Organizing gays politically is like herding cats. Everyone has a personal agenda, and will refuse to cooperate with a national agenda."

    Vespa, you may call that realistic, I call it sadly pessimistic.

    It also denies the achievements of some remarkable people. I think of Tom Stoddard, co-founder of Lambda Legal Defense, who was a great hero of mine. I know many active gay people around the country who are not exactly "activists" - not staging sit-ins, but holding confabs, raising money, defending people fired from jobs, running defense of gays discharged from the military, running, for years, service organizations for PWAs, writing letters to editors and corporate boards ...

    An agenda? No, I laugh when I hear that tossed out, too. But I know personally too many people who have worked hard, sacrificed and won important battles to be so despairing.

    We are NOT united by income, color, religion ... we are, then, destined to use our individual powers as much as our organizing ones. So, my advice to one and all is, do it. Get in the habit of writing your representatives, both national and statewide - and local. Write your papers. Write your local radio and TV stations, call in to shows.

    Work for what you want the way you work for those biceps! NO PAIN ... no change.
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    Nov 05, 2008 8:03 PM GMT
    EricLA saidI think we will, but there are other priorities, namely the economy.

    As Obama said to McCain: A president has to be able to do more than one thing at a time.
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    Nov 05, 2008 8:11 PM GMT

    "If you want to change the world, you've got to change the metaphor."

    Joseph Campbell, quoted by Bill Moyers, on FRESH AIR

    Last night, Moyers, said, we changed the metaphor.



    Yes, BHO only got 1/6 of white votes in Mississippi. And maybe 1/6 of MS is for "us". Keep going. Change the metaphor.
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    Nov 05, 2008 8:16 PM GMT
    ruck_us said First of all, gay rights legislation would probably originate in a House with an even greater Democrat majority, not with Obama. For instance, if Congress were to pass a federal statue providing for civil unions, I would fully expect Obama to sign that bill. I just don't think he'll be the one to take the lead on such sweeping legislation, although I do think you'll see a much more inclusive executive branch than the current one. I do, however, believe that Obama would veto federal legislation to legalize same-sex marriage.


    You're out of touch. The Republicans in the Senate would filibuster it, and it would go nowhere. I'm not even sure it would pass the House, being too politically risky. It would never see the President's desk.
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    Nov 05, 2008 8:18 PM GMT
    cowboyo saidYes, BHO only got 1/6 of white votes in Mississippi. And maybe 1/6 of MS is for "us". Keep going. Change the metaphor.


    Exactly. White Southern racists still rule down there, where I lived for 13 years. Let's not try to put a pretty face on Southern racism. It still exists and drives the politics for Whites there.
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    Nov 05, 2008 8:19 PM GMT
    I feel we need to start working on the minds and hearts of our neighbors before we worry about the presidents, the congresses and public opinion as a large-formed construct.

    It happens by being out and honest, by being ourselves with grace, style, and steadfastness. Through understanding comes the melting of fear and hate. From that will come kinship and support, leading to our full folding into the larger society (from a legal standpoint, as the krazy kristian kamp is never going to like us.)
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    Nov 05, 2008 8:21 PM GMT
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    Timberoo saidI want to be 6'2".


    I want a 32" waist with 4% body fat. icon_lol.gif


    I want your arm muscles. icon_biggrin.gif

    Seriously though it would be in the best interest of the USA in terms of military capability and national security, not to boot out gays from the military. When you hear about arab-speaking military personnel being kicked out for being gay you shake your head, and think "this makes no sense."