Prop 8 - A Call to Action! Join I DO OBJECT and start fighting back!

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    Nov 06, 2008 12:03 AM GMT
    The time has come for all homosexuals to join together in the fight for marriage equality. The passage of Propositions 8, 2, and 102 signals the need for civil disobedience, much like that of the African American community of yesteryears.

    As yesterday has proven, we can change the hearts and minds of the apathetic and bigoted, but we must demonstrate the need to be listened to.

    We all have a voice, and it must be heard, that we all object to the oppression of homosexual unions, and that no legal union shall be free from hearing the voice of this dissent until all across America, homosexuals have the right to marry the person of their choice.

    It is simple. Disrupt marriage ceremonies until we can marry in peace without judgment and without condemnation. Each and every one of us can do this. So join I DO OBJECT and start a movement across the nation.

    Dismantling the marriages of 18,000 Californian couples is an egregious action that cannot be ignored and demands action!

    **Please check out the Facebook group, I DO OBJECT for more information on what this group proposes to do, what it means to be a member, and any events to participate in.
  • Koaa2

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    Nov 06, 2008 12:52 AM GMT
    This sounds interesting.
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    Nov 06, 2008 6:35 AM GMT
    Sounds like fun! What's the link?
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    Nov 06, 2008 6:50 AM GMT
    Fun!
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    Nov 06, 2008 7:28 AM GMT
    First of all, I have a profile on facebook but I can not find this particular group. What should I look under.

    It is interesting that this proposal has come up on RJ just behind Caslon's new thread on the legal opposition to Prop 8. I think the word here should be caution. Since I can not read more about the group I have to make some assumptions, so please forgive if I have this wrong, but are you proposing that we interrupt all straight ceremonies?

    Some friends of ours asked us (a gay couple) many years ago to be the legal guardians of their son in case they should both be killed, for example, in a car accident. That son very recently got married and him and his new wife are very pro gay. Does your proposal mean that you would have interrupted their ceremony if it were held today?

    As a past member of ACT UP, I can understand the need to satisfy some anger over this assault against our human rights, but maybe it would be better to wait for a judgement from the Supreme Court of California, before taking revolutionary steps that may cause a backlash that will change the direction of American politics back towards the fascist policies of the past eight years.
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    Nov 06, 2008 7:32 AM GMT
    Yeah alexander7 does have a point there. Wait.

    Then the civil disturbance begins. icon_biggrin.gif

    Vive la Révolution! LOL
  • MotorBrett

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    Nov 06, 2008 8:47 AM GMT
    I'm all about civil disobedience!! Imagine disrupting high-profile celebrity and political weddings.... or coordinated mass-disruption utilizing wedding registry lists to find dates and locations, lol!!

    Brett =)
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    Nov 06, 2008 9:10 AM GMT
    Perhaps it's because I photograph so many weddings (both gay and straight), but I think this is a really BAD idea... As someone else pointed out, there are plenty of straight couples getting married today that are extremely gay friendly... and the fact that you used Obama, or blacks in general, as an example of how to go about this, just boggles my mind. Obama won by keeping a level head and "rising above" each and every time someone tried to tear him down. I'm personally a huge fan of MLK, and much prefer a peaceful protest over something that has the potential to move us 10 steps BACKWARDS as opposed to forward. I'm not questioning that something needs to be done; but personally, I feel that the law is going to be on our side... and if for some reason it's not, I would much rather stage a "kiss in" on the mall in DC (or in front of court houses across the country) than "interrupt" the ceremony of two people who love each other. Think about it: Let's pretend that by some miracle "interrupting" the wedding ceremonies of straight couples was to get our point across... what's to stop them from "interrupting" OUR ceremonies once the laws are changed? There are enough crazies in this world who already hate us for absolutely no reason at all... I have no desire to actually GIVE them a reason to hate us even more.
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    Nov 06, 2008 9:21 AM GMT
    I was with you until the interruption of marriage ceremonies. That will not win allies, it will gain enemies.
  • EricLA

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    Nov 06, 2008 9:22 AM GMT
    Yeah, I don't think this is the way to win over people. It's like Fred Phelps' family/church (same difference) who protest funerals.

    I don't think this is the way to convert people.

    I'm all for civil disobedience, but I don't think you're focusing on the right target.
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    Nov 06, 2008 10:37 AM GMT
    wouldn't it be better to target the source of the prop 8 funds?

    mormon church services
    catholic church services
    knights of columbus meetings and other kc functions
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    Nov 06, 2008 11:37 AM GMT
    McGay saidwouldn't it be better to target the source of the prop 8 funds?

    mormon church services
    catholic church services
    knights of columbus meetings and other kc functions


    See now you guys are coming up with a plan!
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    Nov 06, 2008 12:38 PM GMT
    Who gave $ in support or opposition to Prop Hate

    Look locally, write letters, spread the word on who hates, don't spend money with them and let them know about it.
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    Nov 06, 2008 12:46 PM GMT
    GPShoes said, "It is simple. Disrupt marriage ceremonies until we can marry in peace without judgment and without condemnation. Each and every one of us can do this. So join I DO OBJECT and start a movement across the nation."


    I disagree. That will backfire worst than we'd like on the issue. First, most marriage ceremonies are held in a place of worship. This would be viewed as demanding a right to marry in a church or religion. Second, interrupting any PRIVATE ceremony will diminish the support we have built over the last decade. There are other ways than this. In fact, what the "gay rights movement" has been doing is working. More patience is needed.
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    Nov 06, 2008 1:37 PM GMT
    McGay saidwouldn't it be better to target the source of the prop 8 funds?

    mormon church services
    catholic church services
    knights of columbus meetings and other kc functions


    This would be good.
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    Nov 06, 2008 2:34 PM GMT
    We did get 48% of the vote. WE only need abot 3 or 4% of the population to shift the votes. Surprisingly some of the folks I know who voted yes are actually consider themselves liberal/modrate and would never think of voting republican. It is those folks who need convincing. There are some who are in the fringe-nutjobs who no matter what will never vote for this and actually think this passing is the voice of God-or in the case of the Mormons a physical God. But there is a big chunk in the middle-who voted yes merely because of the "icky" factor/concept of gay marraige. Those are the ones that need convining-3 or 4% is all we need of the population and then this should change..
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    Nov 06, 2008 2:42 PM GMT
    it's hard to believe that california of all places, with all those involved in creative industries and left wing liberals we end up with this?

    very alarming!
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    Nov 06, 2008 2:50 PM GMT

    That prop ballot was pretty odd. We think the idea of having to vote no on it in order to yes to gay marriage was deliberate and twisted, like negative option billing.

    We'd be willing to bet that many of your yes votes were from people that thought doing that would ALLOW gay marriage.

    It would be interesting to see what would happen if another vote was taken next week, and just on this issue.

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    Nov 06, 2008 2:57 PM GMT
    This is terrible & reckless idea.

    Instead, start by reporting the LDS to the IRS for repeated violation of separation of church & state and involvement in a another state's political process. Cause it to lose its tax-exempt status. A long-shot sure, but better than senseless anarchy. There is a form that can be filled out and submitted anonymously. I'll look for the link...
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    Nov 09, 2008 1:21 AM GMT
    Hey Everybody!

    Thanks for your frank discussion, and I don't know if everyone visited the Facebook site or not before commenting, but here's the link:

    http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=47308565859&ref=ts

    I think it should clarify any confusion as to the goal and directive of I DO OBJECT. It's pretty simple of an idea, yet I think it can truly aid in the fight for gay marriage. The great thing about it to is that everyone can participate at the level by which they feel comfortable. Hope some of you might be willing to join the cause!

    Thanks!
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    Nov 09, 2008 1:24 AM GMT
    McGay saidWho gave $ in support or opposition to Prop Hate

    Look locally, write letters, spread the word on who hates, don't spend money with them and let them know about it.


    The trouble with this list is that it is not complete. I donated to the no campaign and do not appear. So I'd imagine others do not appear here.

    But it is still a good start.