Asiana Airlines - Boeing 777 Crashes at SFO Airport

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    Jul 07, 2013 12:24 AM GMT
    Preliminary Information is coming in that the Pilot was coming in to high and then tried to make adjustments...will see what the NTSB comes up with in regards what caused the crash as he was approaching the runway, very clear day in SFO so it was not weather related, sad situation though.icon_cry.gif

    2 confirmed dead, 60 unaccounted right now - and several sent to Bay Area Hospitals. The Flight was coming from Seoul. I am not sure if this is the first big crash of a Boeing 777. I might be mistaken.

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    Jul 07, 2013 1:41 AM GMT
    A British Airways 777 had a contaminated fuel issue on landing at London Heathrow and I believe landed short of the runway, but there were no fatalities. This is the first incident with fatalities involving a 777.
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    Jul 07, 2013 2:22 AM GMT
    And only the 3rd hull loss in almost 20 years of service. I can't help, but think of that FedEx crash in Tokyo a few years back, where things looked okay, and then the plane bounced and turned into a fireball. It's amazing that things didn't end up worse in this case.
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    Jul 07, 2013 2:29 AM GMT
    I just watched the news conference about 1 hr ago. They accounted for all people except for 1. It's about 307 people on board, 291 passengers, 16 crew, 2 dead. Yeah, I don't know what happened really, never fly Asiana airline. (haven't been to S. Korea and China either). Let's see in the coming days what will developed.



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    Jul 07, 2013 3:14 AM GMT
    CLS332 saidAnd only the 3rd hull loss in almost 20 years of service. I can't help, but think of that FedEx crash in Tokyo a few years back, where things looked okay, and then the plane bounced and turned into a fireball. It's amazing that things didn't end up worse in this case.


    The FedEx crash was an MD-11, right? That's a bit of an "unforgiving" airplane. Similar FedEx crash of an MD-11 at Newark years earlier too.
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    Jul 07, 2013 3:24 AM GMT
    first witness account was plane was too low and high nose angle on approach, it appears the tail hit the ocean break wall where the runway starts (and broke off)(shorted runway) with the landing gear collapsing due to the blunt impact and wrong angle on landing, no control of the plane after that since brakes are gone, im sure it was "hope for the best" on when, how and where the plane would stop

    if you have ever watched planes take off and land, every commercial airline tail section is angled on the bottom to allow a certain degree of clearance, just makes sense if the nose was too far up on landing or takeoff, the tail section would scrape
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    my real question is, why does the top of the plane (fuselage), catch fire and burn downward? wouldn't it make more sense that the fire (from friction and fuel) would start in the belly of the plane and go up? may be fuel spills on top of the plane upon impact?, I always wondered why we see planes burn like this after a crash
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    Jul 07, 2013 3:44 AM GMT
    There's a good discussion going on here:

    http://www.airliners.net/aviation-forums/general_aviation/read.main/5809791/
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    Jul 07, 2013 4:11 AM GMT
    since we haven't heard from the pilot and probably wont (lawsuits forthcoming),

    im going with pilot error if they manually controlled the plane on landing

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    if they used auto pilot to land (some do in cases of bad weather), then the auto pilot landing (for SFO) settings were off (again pilot or copilot error) or an auto pilot malfunction
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    Jul 07, 2013 4:15 AM GMT
    scruffLA saidfirst witness account was plane was too low and high nose angle on approach, it appears the tail hit the ocean break wall where the runway starts (and broke off)(shorted runway) with the landing gear collapsing due to the blunt impact and wrong angle on landing, no control of the plane after that since brakes are gone, im sure it was "hope for the best" on when, how and where the plane would stop

    if you have ever watched planes take off and land, every commercial airline tail section is angled on the bottom to allow a certain degree of clearance, just makes sense if the nose was too far up on landing or takeoff, the tail section would scrape
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    my real question is, why does the top of the plane (fuselage), catch fire and burn downward? wouldn't it make more sense that the fire (from friction and fuel) would start in the belly of the plane and go up? may be fuel spills on top of the plane upon impact?, I always wondered why we see planes burn like this after a crash


    I was thinking the same thing, not sure why the upper fuselage caught on fire - will see what the investigation concludes. One witness who did see the event, noted that he had hit the water or landing gear. I preclude Pilot error - there were no weather issues at the time, clear skies and visibility at SFO.
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    Jul 07, 2013 4:39 AM GMT
    southbeach1502 saidThere's a good discussion going on here:

    http://www.airliners.net/aviation-forums/general_aviation/read.main/5809791/


    WoW, that's a shear, those people in the back of the plane probably had some spine injuries, like being rear ended in a car

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    Jul 07, 2013 5:15 AM GMT

    crash survivor interview

    http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=50150373n
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    Jul 07, 2013 5:21 AM GMT
    the two Chinese people who died were found outside of plane, could be crew members

    People 'fell out' back of plane in horrifying scenes, crash survivor says

    http://www.straitstimes.com/breaking-news/world/story/people-fell-out-back-plane-crash-survivor-says-20130707
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    Jul 07, 2013 5:32 AM GMT

    Tail of Asiana plane hit runway: S Korea transport ministry

    http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/world/tail-of-asiana-plane-hit/736552.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
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    Jul 07, 2013 5:42 AM GMT
    "We heard an announcement saying the plane has safely landed and everyone should stay put."

    http://news.yahoo.com/crash-survivor-says-announcement-claimed-plane-had-landed-020116713--abc-news-topstories.html

    thanks for flying Asiana airlines

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    Jul 07, 2013 6:52 AM GMT
    scruffLA said
    crash survivor interview

    http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=50150373n


    Wow- that is amazing.
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    Jul 07, 2013 7:02 AM GMT
    other than the fact one engine was next to plane and you can see burned area next to back of engine, why did the top of the plane catch fire? not from inside of cabin but from the outside in? passengers and crew were all out of the plane before the fire started and there are no pictures of this side of the plane when the fire started, so where did the fire originate?

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    we can see from this image which side the fire started on but we cant see what is exactly on fire, and what is the "brown stuff" on top of the plane in the areas that did burn, dirt?, the wing is not on fire, the only thing that could be on fire in the beginning would be the engine

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    Jul 07, 2013 9:13 AM GMT
    RIP to those who didn't make it.

    Airline crashes are very rare and, if you are unlucky enough to be involved in one, your chances of survival are greater than 95%.
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    Jul 08, 2013 6:07 AM GMT
    Preliminary Information coming out is that the Asiana Pilot only had 44 hours on the flying seat of the Boeing 777.

    Additionally, they were coming in on a very slow approach not enough speed, and crew then tried to compensate to increase speed and make another turn, but it was too late by then, the tail had hit the ground. New video shows that the airplane did not flip, if it had we would have seen more fatalities.
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    Jul 08, 2013 7:12 AM GMT
    Someone did get a video of the actual crash

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/07/video-of-asiana-crash_n_3558524.html
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    Jul 08, 2013 7:36 AM GMT
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    Jul 09, 2013 6:59 AM GMT
    This is such a tragic story! Anyone else been following this? So it turned out to be mostly human's errors.

    1/ The pilot's lack of experience caused the crash.

    2/ The plane was too slow and too low for the landing.

    3/ Two Chinese teen girls are killed in the accident. (They suspected an emergency vehicle may ran over one of them once they got out).

    Like are you kidding me? You survived an airplane crash and got run over by a vehicle? That was Sick.

    Why the hell did Asiana airline even let that pilot flight to SFO in the first place when he only completed 43 hrs of training on the Boeing 777!!!! Big mistake !!!

    I sense a lot of lawsuits coming to Asiana's airline in the upcoming months for sure !!!!
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    Jul 09, 2013 8:18 AM GMT
    xsocalguy8x said This is such a tragic story! Anyone else been following this? So it turned out to be mostly human's errors.

    1/ The pilot's lack of experience caused the crash.

    2/ The plane was too slow and too low for the landing.

    3/ Two Chinese teen girls are killed in the accident. (They suspected an emergency vehicle may ran over one of them once they got out).

    Like are you kidding me? You survived an airplane crash and got run over by a vehicle? That was Sick.

    Why the hell did Asiana airline even let that pilot flight to SFO in the first place when he only completed 43 hrs of training on the Boeing 777!!!! Big mistake !!!

    I sense a lot of lawsuits coming to Asiana's airline in the upcoming months for sure !!!!


    Yes, sad story...already some lawyers are stating that each passenger will have a claim against Asiana, the highest claim to the parents who lost their teenage girls of course, of course not amount of $$ will bring them back. Asiana will more than likely not fight the lawsuits, pay to move forward.
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    Jul 09, 2013 9:51 AM GMT
    as a flight attendant, we are trained for unplanned emergencies such as this. hence, the f/a's brace position upon taking the jumpseat prior to 'wheels down' and mentally reciting our (at least in my carriers case) 30second review. among those items are 'what are my commands if an exit is blocked' etc.... they did a great job getting those people out in under 90 seconds with half the exits available. the good thing about the wide bodied aircraft is the 'double lane slide'. when i see the mess in the cabin, i can only imagine how great that second impact was. (and it's usually multiple impacts before the aircraft comes to a stop) the bottom line is this. 1. the impact was survivable
    2. the aircraft was evacuated by the flight attendants at their exits and by passengers assisting the crew in an evacuation
    3. i was still amazed to see some video clips of passengers with their carry on luggage walking away from the crash.... REALLY? how many did you delay by retrieving your carry on bags? remember, it's not about your ipad. it's about your life.

    the investigation is new, but, as my crew (flight and cabin) and i were having lunch yesterday in PHL, we speculate that indeed speed was an issue. the stick shaker should have been a clear warning that a stall was just around the corner. looking at the exterior, you can clearly see that the empennage split right at the aft pressure bulkhead. good on ya boeing. she kept her charges safe during the impact. a marvel of aircraft design.
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    Jul 10, 2013 7:21 AM GMT

    here is a good latest report on what pilots were doing

    http://finance.yahoo.com/news/heres-happened-cockpit-asiana-flight-001233881.html
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    Jul 10, 2013 1:53 PM GMT
    Flight simulator of good landing versus what happened.

    http://www.cnn.com/video/?/video/bestoftv/2013/07/10/ac-boeing-flight-simulator-tuchman-pkg.cnn#/video/bestoftv/2013/07/10/ac-boeing-flight-simulator-tuchman-pkg.cnn