Pride flag could prompt flag limit on government property in south Louisiana

  • metta

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    Jul 07, 2013 1:29 AM GMT
    Pride flag could prompt flag limit on government property in south Louisiana

    http://www.lgbtqnation.com/2013/07/pride-flag-could-prompt-flag-limit-on-government-property-in-south-la/
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    Jul 07, 2013 11:47 AM GMT
    An interesting article. I work for a parks department and issues similar to this have come up previously. Many of our parks have a flagpole displaying the US flag. We do not allow patrons to take down Old Glory and raise their own flag on these poles. It became a problem at one point so we actually installed a lock box over the halyard at one park.

    However, if you wish to fly your own flag on your own temporary pole during your event, feel free. The first amendment is for everyone.
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    Jul 07, 2013 12:25 PM GMT
    Some interesting issues here: the official who wants to make a law restricting flags to government entities, would also allow Mardi Gras flags. Mardi Gras is of course a Roman Catholic religious festival that marks the beginning of Lent. Do other religious groups get to fly flags for their own events, or just the Catholics?

    June is recognized as LGBT month by the Federal government. Maybe not by Louisiana, but then the Federal government outranks State. Isn't that a government entity? Citizens are not allowed to celebrate a government proclamation?

    Does the Korean War veteran who initiated the complaint against the LGBT flag also complain about the flying of Teabagger flags, like their "Don't Tread On Me" snake? Can the Boy Scouts fly their flags at gatherings on government property, or should that be prohibited, too?

    I presume a Confederate flag would be right out, correct?

    What about corporate business banners & flags? Suppose the Louisiana employees of ExxonMobil rented a public park for a company picnic outing one weekend. Could they not raise a corporate flag, marking their site? I've seen that done before.

    But above all, a flag is a form of free speech. And unless a US or State flag is struck from its designated flagpole without authorization, and replaced by a private flag, I don't see how flying the rainbow flag can be made illegal. Except, naturally, in Louisiana. icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Jul 07, 2013 12:47 PM GMT
    ART_DECO said And unless a US or State flag is struck from its designated flagpole without authorization, and replaced by a private flag, I don't see how flying the rainbow flag can be made illegal. icon_rolleyes.gif


    That is what the article doesn't make clear. Was the US flag struck from a gov't owned flagpole in order to fly the rainbow flag? If so, then that is a problem.

    If the flagpole was empty and the rainbow flag was raised then it is an acceptable form of free speech. And I agree with your thoughts on the Mardi Gras flag, Art. If all you are going to allow on gov't owned flagpoles is gov't flags then a flag celebrating a Catholic event should not be allowed either!
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    Jul 07, 2013 1:08 PM GMT
    Sungod17 said
    ART_DECO said And unless a US or State flag is struck from its designated flagpole without authorization, and replaced by a private flag, I don't see how flying the rainbow flag can be made illegal. icon_rolleyes.gif


    That is what the article doesn't make clear. Was the US flag struck from a gov't owned flagpole in order to fly the rainbow flag? If so, then that is a problem.

    If the flagpole was empty and the rainbow flag was raised then it is an acceptable form of free speech. And I agree with your thoughts on the Mardi Gras flag, Art. If all you are going to allow on gov't owned flagpoles is gov't flags then a flag celebrating a Catholic event should not be allowed either!

    Mardi Gras is an enormous income generator for Louisiana. I can understand why an elected official would consider making a flag exception for it. Except it doesn't make legal sense, in terms of the justification for the other flag restrictions being contemplated.

    We had a local Code Compliance enforcer tell one of our gay bars that they had to remove all their rainbow flags from their building. The stated reason was violation of a law against flags & loose objects because of hurricanes. Except it wasn't hurricane season, and a flag is easily removed during a storm warning. And other businesses were still allowed to fly their own non-gay flags & banners.

    I thought it was a clear case of anti-gay discrimination, so I investigated on my own. Turns out the Code Compliance person was out of her jurisdiction area, from an adjacent town, not Wilton Manors at all! The bar is on a small extension of WM that many people don't realize is still within our town, so the citation was totally bogus. And indeed, businesses of all kinds in Wilton Manors always fly rainbow flags every day.

    So I informed one of the bar owners for the place, and he seemed dubious. Really? You don't know to what town you belong, and where you pay your taxes & business fees? I realize he rents the property, but how clueless can someone be?

    So he still hasn't put his rainbow flags back, which annoys me. Because I'd love to see Code Compliance fine him, so he can have an attorney take that city to court, for damages and court costs, and maybe have that bigoted city employee suspended or fired.
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    Jul 07, 2013 1:38 PM GMT
    There are so many issues with this article (and your story ART_DECO). Openly tollerated hate. I simply love how he compared the gay community to the klan. I know every time I think of the two groups seperately I often get them confused with one other. They're so hard to tell apart.

    I'm with you ART. Even if you do only rent a building, how do you not know where you're located?

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    Jul 07, 2013 2:31 PM GMT
    waynerd saidThere are so many issues with this article (and your story ART_DECO). Openly tollerated hate. I simply love how he compared the gay community to the klan. I know every time I think of the two groups seperately I often get them confused with one other. They're so hard to tell apart.

    I'm with you ART. Even if you do only rent a building, how do you not know where you're located?

    The kindest interpretation is that particular owner doesn't handle the business paperwork. But once I told him the truth, he could at least have inquired.

    But no longer of interest to me. The service there became poor, and I stopped going 2 years ago. Let them do without their rainbow flags. It annoys me a business in our community got bullied, but if they don't give a damn, why should I?
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    Jul 07, 2013 3:45 PM GMT
    ART_DECO saidI don't see how flying the rainbow flag can be made illegal. Except, naturally, in Louisiana. icon_rolleyes.gif


    Still painting with a broad, bigoted and prejudiced brush I see.
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    Jul 07, 2013 5:40 PM GMT
    Mardi Gras is only for Catholics? Wow, you could have fooled me!
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    Jul 08, 2013 12:42 AM GMT
    mileshelvetica saidMardi Gras is only for Catholics? Wow, you could have fooled me!


    Its a Catholic festival. Whether a non-Catholic chooses to participate or not does not change that. Just as a non-Catholic can celebrate Valentine's day (another Catholic day) or a Japanese can celebrate Christmas if he wants.
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    Jul 08, 2013 1:23 AM GMT
    southbeach1502 said
    ART_DECO saidI don't see how flying the rainbow flag can be made illegal. Except, naturally, in Louisiana. icon_rolleyes.gif

    Still painting with a broad, bigoted and prejudiced brush I see.

    Oh, you mean like your relentless bigoted bashing of Liberals, Democrats and President Obama?

    But why should I worry? You won't be here for very long, just until Admin learns you snuck back in following your last booting. And then I guess we can look forward to southbeach1503?
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    Jul 08, 2013 1:33 AM GMT
    ART_DECO said
    southbeach1502 said
    ART_DECO saidI don't see how flying the rainbow flag can be made illegal. Except, naturally, in Louisiana. icon_rolleyes.gif

    Still painting with a broad, bigoted and prejudiced brush I see.

    Oh, you mean like your relentless bigoted bashing of Liberals, Democrats and President Obama?

    But why should I worry? You won't be here for very long, just until Admin learns you snuck back in following your last booting. And then I guess we can look forward to southbeach1503?


    How could I "sneak" back, when I'm using practically the same account name and a picture of myself????? Admin approved this account. So do explain your quite offensive comment that I "snuck back in" here.