Mormons need to be taught a lesson...

  • MotorBrett

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    Nov 06, 2008 8:26 AM GMT



    http://www.mormonsstoleourrights.com

    go check it out, sign up and pass it on...
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    Nov 06, 2008 8:40 AM GMT
    There will be a protest outside that giant Mormom church on Santa Monica BLVD just West of Beverly Hills tomorrow at 2pm. I've heard this from 3 different sources tonight throughout the protests (where we mother fucking stopped traffic everywhere!)
  • MotorBrett

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    Nov 06, 2008 9:51 AM GMT
    jakebenson saidThere will be a protest outside that giant Mormom church on Santa Monica BLVD just West of Beverly Hills tomorrow at 2pm. I've heard this from 3 different sources tonight throughout the protests (where we mother fucking stopped traffic everywhere!)


    the only time i've seen gays stop traffic is when they take to long to cross at Santa Monica and Robertson!!

    but, seriously, that's awesome. civil disobedience. this is the time.

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    ps - I miss you Jake!! Come visit me in SD!! We can wreak havoc!!
  • swimbikerun

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    Nov 06, 2008 1:04 PM GMT

    Strip the Mormon church of its status as a religious organization!
  • MotorBrett

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    Nov 06, 2008 1:17 PM GMT
    swimbikerun said
    Strip the Mormon church of its status as a religious organization!


    PLEASE GOD!!!
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    Nov 06, 2008 1:21 PM GMT
    MotorBrett said
    swimbikerun said
    Strip the Mormon church of its status as a religious organization!


    PLEASE GOD!!!


    The Mormon church is not the only one that is virulently anti-gay. They were just more active in the Proposition 8 battle.

    This makes me realize that there can be such a thing as too much democracy. I personally don't think the voting public should have the right to overturn a court decision affecting human rights. Vulnerable minorities sometimes need to be protected from the majority.
  • swimbikerun

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    Nov 06, 2008 1:24 PM GMT
    MotorBrett said

    PLEASE GOD!!!
    Who? lol!

    SurrealLife said
    The Mormon church is not the only one that is virulently anti-gay. They were just more active in the Proposition 8 battle.
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    I personally don't think the voting public should have the right to overturn a court decision affecting human rights.
    Apparently much of the church is divided. Many see it as a civil rights issue.
    And SurrealLife that's close to the basis of one of the lawsuits. That the core recognition human rights by the CA constitution cannot be altered by an amendment but must be ratified by Sacramento first.
  • MotorBrett

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    Nov 06, 2008 1:25 PM GMT
    SurrealLife said
    MotorBrett said
    swimbikerun said
    Strip the Mormon church of its status as a religious organization!


    PLEASE GOD!!!


    The Mormon church is not the only one that is virulently anti-gay. They were just more active in the Proposition 8 battle.

    This makes me realize that there can be such a thing as too much democracy. I personally don't think the voting public should have the right to overturn a court decision affecting human rights. Vulnerable minorities sometimes need to be protected from the majority.


    They are. It's called equal protections clause of the 14th Amendment (Section 1).

    The California constitution has one too, and the suit was filed yesterday to nullify Prop 8, under the direct contradiction of that clause coupled with a removal of the courts power to uphold minority protection.

    That is true democracy.
  • Koaa2

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    Nov 06, 2008 1:35 PM GMT
    The Mormons are of course to blame for the results. However when you look at who voted for the amendment, Blacks 7 out of 10, and a majority of Hispanics, you also have to step back. I think this was a bad election to have had this proposition fail. I think it should be brought up again in 2 years, when not so many conservative blacks and Hispanics, will go to the polls, and it might get approved.
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    Nov 06, 2008 2:05 PM GMT
    Koaa2 saidThe Mormons are of course to blame for the results. However when you look at who voted for the amendment, Blacks 7 out of 10, and a majority of Hispanics, you also have to step back. I think this was a bad election to have had this proposition fail. I think it should be brought up again in 2 years, when not so many conservative blacks and Hispanics, will go to the polls, and it might get approved.


    Yes I said the same thing on another forum topic and was criticized for suggesting such a thing. There is no other explanation though that fits with the results. A liberal democratic presidential candidate handily wins a state (over 60% of the vote) but at the same time a conservative backlash against gay marriage is also approved. On the surface it does not make sense until you realize that people can be culturally conservative but still vote for a "liberal" candidate.
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    Nov 06, 2008 2:06 PM GMT
    MotorBrett said
    SurrealLife said
    MotorBrett said
    swimbikerun said
    Strip the Mormon church of its status as a religious organization!


    PLEASE GOD!!!


    The Mormon church is not the only one that is virulently anti-gay. They were just more active in the Proposition 8 battle.

    This makes me realize that there can be such a thing as too much democracy. I personally don't think the voting public should have the right to overturn a court decision affecting human rights. Vulnerable minorities sometimes need to be protected from the majority.


    They are. It's called equal protections clause of the 14th Amendment (Section 1).

    The California constitution has one too, and the suit was filed yesterday to nullify Prop 8, under the direct contradiction of that clause coupled with a removal of the courts power to uphold minority protection.

    That is true democracy.


    Thanks for the clarification. My question is why was this Proposition even allowed to proceed? I know the US loves referendums but maybe there should be some parameters set around them so taxpayer money is not wasted. The lawyers must be happy though.
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    Nov 06, 2008 2:08 PM GMT
    I wish I was in CA! My heart is there.
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    Nov 06, 2008 3:33 PM GMT
    Ya, let's get them! I have my pitch fork and torch ready.

    That ad was disgusting. It would have been equally appropriate to have a Catholic bishop walk through their door and do the same thing. But no one will make that ad because Catholics are a huge voting block in California. Perhaps after that ad we can have black people terrorizing white women. Mormons, because they are a safe minority, are just fine to paint with a broad brush. They aren't individuals after all.

    Yes, let's take away their status as a church because their agenda doesn't agree with ours. While we are at it! Let's do the same to the Catholic church and strip voting rights from black people. Pax Homosexual!
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    Nov 06, 2008 3:41 PM GMT
    yes, they need to learn not to come knocking on my bleedin' door! icon_mad.gif
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    Nov 06, 2008 3:50 PM GMT
    Koaa,

    I find it troubling that the demographic numbers that you put only represent the numbers of people of color...when you should have listed the numbers for all people.

    You can't lay this at our door step.

    The bottom line is their are a large portion of white, African American Latinos who are against Gays being able to marry and those are the people who went out and voted.

    I don't this will happen in our life time. You need to take a long look at the history of our country and map thepath of change.

    Slavery from the civil rights movement would be a great place to start and then you will get an idea of the long fight that is a head of us.

    I know your angry and hurt but the band but you know it is what it is.
    You can't start blaming African Americans and Latinos for the passage of the ban because there were just a many as people of other races including yours that voted yes on prop including some gays and lesbians I know a few.
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    Nov 06, 2008 3:57 PM GMT
    Mormons are 2% of California's population.
    Mormons provided more than 70% of Prop 8's financing.

    Doesn't that seem more than a little disproportionate?!!

    If you're in LA, come to the rally today.

    I'll be holding the sign that says "When I was a Mormon missionary, I didn't DESTROY 18,000 families. SHAME on the LDS Church."
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    Nov 06, 2008 3:58 PM GMT
    With all due respect Ducky44, although no one cultural group should be blamed for proposition 8 failing, it is likely that higher percentages of the so-called visible minorities voted for it than caucasions. Survey after survey in the past has indicated that latinos and african-americans are more conservative on issues of gay rights than their caucasion counterparts. Probably due to the role religion plays in the community.

    I personally don't know why this was ever on the ballot to begin with (see my earlier post).
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    Nov 06, 2008 4:05 PM GMT
    SurrealLife saidWith all due respect Ducky44, although no one cultural group should be blamed for proposition 8 failing, it is likely that higher percentages of the so-called visible minorities voted for it than caucasions.

    I really think that us queers are to blame. As you read this: did you donate time or money?
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    Nov 06, 2008 4:06 PM GMT


    Aside from gays, the victims in this mess of a proposition are every voter that listened to his or her church and voted as they decreed. Churches are political engines, always have been.
    Fear of God and the blather about being righteous is the club they wield to control their parishes. The US, contrary to their own constitution, allows strange types of lobbying, and California has just allowed religions to dictate the rights of minorities.

    Guess the next prop will be to forbid inter-denominational marriages.
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    Nov 06, 2008 4:12 PM GMT
    motorbrett - civil disobedience, i love it!

    there are ways to casually cause chaos. grab a lesbian friend, dress nice, go to moron, i mean, mormon churches and clog/overflow toilets, super glue things shut, etc.
  • swimbikerun

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    Nov 06, 2008 4:17 PM GMT
    msw1 saidmotorbrett - civil disobedience, i love it!


    I'd love to be civilly disobedient with motorbrett!
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    Nov 06, 2008 4:18 PM GMT


    "As you read this: did you donate time or money?" Sadly, it should never have come to this. What an utter waste of money and resources from both sides.

    Why is the constitution so weak?

    If more ethnic minority gays had been coming out, and those ethnic groups truly realized how many are gay they would have voted No, religious beliefs notwithstanding.

    Quite frankly, fighting fire with fire, perhaps the Supreme court of the US should rule that no religion can fund or put forward a proposition.

    What would be really amazing is the mass exodus of gays out of California. Can you just see the expressions? Think of all the businesses, from health care to fashion to retail to science, from education to the boardroom, suddenly devoid of many of the best and brightest. Imagine the wealth that would abruptly drain out of that State.

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    Nov 06, 2008 4:21 PM GMT
    Geez it's the argument over the depiction of Mormons in "Angels in America" all over again.

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    Nov 06, 2008 4:22 PM GMT
    msw1there are ways to casually cause chaos. grab a lesbian friend, dress nice, go to moron, i mean, mormon churches and clog/overflow toilets, super glue things shut, etc.



    Eat beans before you go, and fart a lot. Cough up a storm. Pretend you've got a nervous tick, like Tourette's Syndrome. Wear a huge wig so the people behind you can't see. Don't bathe for 2 or 3 days before you go. Shit like that.
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    Nov 06, 2008 4:22 PM GMT
    I think what really needs to be accomplished is a division in the terminology used. Someone needs to file a lawsuit against the state for violation of the separation of church and state. If you go to the state for a "marriage" license then you can't have an amendment promoted and supported by religious institutions based on long standing religious history, discriminating on a "marriage" because of beliefs. I think the state needs to change ALL licenses to civil unions and all status benefits to the same. There were no gays opposing prop 8 for the reasons of wanting to marry in the church. The sacramental covenant and the status of 2 individuals recognized as legal partners by the state need to have two different names so that the church can not use biblical history to confuse the public. Let the church preform a marriage but it would not have any legal standing with the state, that would come from the civil union license you would receive at the local court house regardless of gender or religious affiliation.