Steroid use. more accepted in the US?

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    Nov 06, 2008 11:06 AM GMT
    Q: is steroid use in the US more accepted than over here (europe)? to me sometimes, it seems so.
    I don't have enough in-depth knowledge about steroid use in the US or specifically in pro sports to back it up, but there are so many stories. We hear about how in American professional sports there's virtually no serious testing or sanctions against it (like a ban from a few games ?). And college athletes are told they need to "gain" at least 50 lbs if they are serious about a professional career.
    So won't "regular folks" at the gym also think it's ok to use drugs for quick improvement?

    In some countries in europe, lots of performance enhancing drugs used in sports are very much criminalized. not only will athletes face (typically 2) years of being banned from competition and practice, but in some places criminal charges and prison too. this goes for dealers and "regular" gym goers too.
    I have pretty radical views on this and believe in tough sanctions on the cheaters in pro sports, I mean a lot of money is involved, so the way I see it they're making their money unlawfully and should face criminal charges or be fined.

    I'm being a bit provocative icon_biggrin.gif, but I'd like to hear your views.
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    Nov 06, 2008 2:50 PM GMT
    I wonder if it is more accepted in the US....

    Just his morning, I was watching the Today show on NBC, and they were discussing the benefits and costs of givingHGH to children who are shorter than normal because those kids are getting picked on more than normal. I was shocked! HGH to children? For that?

    Look, I can understand wanting to do whatever you want for your children to protect them from harm, but that is REALLY excessive and dangerous!
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    Nov 06, 2008 5:36 PM GMT
    All I say is that HGH and steroids are just cheating because you dont want to do the hard work
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    Nov 06, 2008 8:02 PM GMT
    ItsMyLife saidAll I say is that HGH and steroids are just cheating because you dont want to do the hard work

    icon_eek.gif you so sure everyone who uses HGH and steroids are like that?
    I could have sworn it was more a cross section of those who put in the effort and those who don't, much like everything in this world...

    But I could be wrong.
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    Nov 06, 2008 8:21 PM GMT
    ItsMyLife saidAll I say is that HGH and steroids are just cheating because you dont want to do the hard work


    Actually a man on steroids will work twice as hard as someone that is not on steroids, why you ask? Because it enables them to. Please do not take anything away from the guys that juice because it is simply a choice for them and to be honest they probably work twice as hard as most will even when they are not on it.
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    Nov 06, 2008 8:24 PM GMT
    SAHEM62896 saidI wonder if it is more accepted in the US....

    Just his morning, I was watching the Today show on NBC, and they were discussing the benefits and costs of givingHGH to children who are shorter than normal because those kids are getting picked on more than normal. I was shocked! HGH to children? For that?

    Look, I can understand wanting to do whatever you want for your children to protect them from harm, but that is REALLY excessive and dangerous!


    Doctors that I have heard describe this will only give HGH to kids that are below normal ranges and are suppose to only give enough to boost them into the more normal limits. Of course most parents that are seeking this for their kids also are trying to live their lives through their kids, what am I trying to say? Their kids are involved in athletics lol.
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    Nov 06, 2008 8:32 PM GMT
    I was under the impression that many of the guys on the RJ site use steroids.
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    Nov 06, 2008 8:33 PM GMT
    Anyone know where I can get some?
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    Nov 07, 2008 1:04 AM GMT
    It depends where you are in Europe. it's a big place.

    In Eastern europe it's pretty acceptable, it's pretty much expected that anyone in the gym seriously working out has used them at one stage or another.

    In the UK it's not illegal to import, posses, or use anabolic steroids. It's only illegal to give or sell them to a third party. there about as common as in the states but in true British fashion it's done but not talked about.

    In western continental europe, sports are more centered around speed and agility as opposed to strength. That and a much more thinner leaner look is considered attractive so there is no great push to use them.

    In Ireland the government stepped in about six months ago, on the back of an "investigative" article written by this reporter and made a whole host of supplements not even steroids including most universal animal products, NO explode, hydroxcut and and many other popular products classified as a prescription medicines....


    Of course we share an open boarder with a province of a country where steroids are legal so all it does is put a lot people out of business, send money overseas and shut down an industry that was experiencing huge growth
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    Nov 07, 2008 9:44 AM GMT
    it depends where you are in the US as well

    california is porb less judgemental towards steroids user than Utah.
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    Nov 07, 2008 9:47 AM GMT
    One of the reasons I posted this, is that I get the general impression that using steroids in the US is not a big deal to a lot of people, like people don't really care if you use them or not, it's really your own choice icon_eek.gif
    In my country there's a general opinion that these drugs are really bad and we're tought about the serious health risks and side effects that come with using them. so I'm just puzzled to encounter a culture so different from that.

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    ItsMyLife saidAll I say is that HGH and steroids are just cheating because you dont want to do the hard work


    Actually a man on steroids will work twice as hard as someone that is not on steroids, why you ask? Because it enables them to. Please do not take anything away from the guys that juice because it is simply a choice for them and to be honest they probably work twice as hard as most will even when they are not on it.


    I could care less who works harder! to me it's just an illegal drug that should only be prescribed by doctors to people with serious conditions, where these drugs are helpful to them. not to people who don't really need them,
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    Nov 07, 2008 9:28 PM GMT
    No offense but Denmark (and in general scandanavia) is a probably one of the most socialized countries in Europe you shouldn't take it as an example for europe as a whole.

    Civil liberties and civil disobedience aren't exactly at all time highs. What you said is exactly the point it's based on personal choice and responsibility. People can choose what they wish to do and as long as they bear the responsibility for their actions.

    Impossibly high tax on alcohol and cigarettes, heavily enforced laws for antisocial behavior and drug offenses with harsh minimum sentences, competently socialized heath and education, the largest welfare system in the world, non existent crime, the 2nd lowest homicide rate in Europe, complete gun control

    If I recall correctly Denmark is one of the few countries that has passed a law criminalizing parents who use physical punishment on their kids right? Not that that's a bad thing in fact I'd be completely in favor but try and get something like that passed in the USA or UK.
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    Nov 07, 2008 9:44 PM GMT
    It's not just steroids Here's an example I come across all the time....

    I moved from a European university where the mind set is we compete against the system for grades, in the united states the students are encouraged to fiercely compete against each other. they are constantly compared to each other, grades are curved etc.

    The whole look left, look right one of the three of you will fail no matter how hard you try approach.

    Adderal, concerta, dexederine are all different varieties of ADHD (methamphetamines) drug that allows you to concentrate, lets say at least 1/3 of my extremely difficult chem class is using them to allow them to work harder and get better grades. (which is easily true)

    I'm at a competitive disadvantage if I don't take it, 1/3 of the class grades are elevated because of these drugs the curve raises and my grade falls from an A- to a B.

    The combined fact that both all my peers are doing this and the pressure from the system means anyone is much more likley to just say yes

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    Nov 08, 2008 5:53 AM GMT
    discojim saidAnyone know where I can get some?


    ask chuckystud he recommends it. Everyone has low testosterone according to him, unless he changed???
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    Nov 08, 2008 12:01 PM GMT
    AMT87 saidNo offense but Denmark (and in general scandanavia) is a probably one of the most socialized countries in Europe you shouldn't take it as an example for europe as a whole.

    Civil liberties and civil disobedience aren't exactly at all time highs. What you said is exactly the point it's based on personal choice and responsibility. People can choose what they wish to do and as long as they bear the responsibility for their actions.

    Impossibly high tax on alcohol and cigarettes, heavily enforced laws for antisocial behavior and drug offenses with harsh minimum sentences, competently socialized heath and education, the largest welfare system in the world, non existent crime, the 2nd lowest homicide rate in Europe, complete gun control

    If I recall correctly Denmark is one of the few countries that has passed a law criminalizing parents who use physical punishment on their kids right? Not that that's a bad thing in fact I'd be completely in favor but try and get something like that passed in the USA or UK.


    Yes, child abuse is illegal in Denmark icon_razz.gif
    But we're not exactly the crime free society you portray. It sounds nice but I don't recognize it LOL.
    we have gang wars and guns fired in the streets too... unfortunately
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    Nov 08, 2008 12:08 PM GMT
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    discojim saidAnyone know where I can get some?


    ask chuckystud he recommends it. Everyone has low testosterone according to him, unless he changed???


    this is just sad. you start a thread that is anti drugs, and then it becomes an information site for the junkies on where and how to score icon_exclaim.gificon_lol.gif
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    Nov 08, 2008 2:52 PM GMT
    judoguy saidOne of the reasons I posted this, is that I get the general impression that using steroids in the US is not a big deal to a lot of people, like people don't really care if you use them or not, it's really your own choice icon_eek.gif
    In my country there's a general opinion that these drugs are really bad and we're tought about the serious health risks and side effects that come with using them. so I'm just puzzled to encounter a culture so different from that.

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    ItsMyLife saidAll I say is that HGH and steroids are just cheating because you dont want to do the hard work


    Actually a man on steroids will work twice as hard as someone that is not on steroids, why you ask? Because it enables them to. Please do not take anything away from the guys that juice because it is simply a choice for them and to be honest they probably work twice as hard as most will even when they are not on it.


    I could care less who works harder! to me it's just an illegal drug that should only be prescribed by doctors to people with serious conditions, where these drugs are helpful to them. not to people who don't really need them,


    Like I said it is a choice so why are you even concerned with it if you are not using them? The fact is that they are readily accepted here and I know a lot of guys that use them in order to reach goals that otherwise are not obtainable. Call it cheating, call it whimping out, call it whatever you want but the fact remains that these guys live for the gym and this is what they do. They do work "harder" they are more "dedicated" and if that is what they want to do then I say rock on. The thing that I do not understand is why anyone would care other than jealousy? Most people that workout could actually take some lessons from the users of steroids. Take for instance their diet, their workout regimine, and their lifestyle outside of the gym which is important. Sure they use steroids but guess what? They also do everything else to the T in order to reach their goals. Steroids do not do the work for them I can assure you and if people that do not use steroids would put forth the effort that the users do then they would be at an unimaginable point in their fitness lifestyle.
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    Nov 08, 2008 2:54 PM GMT
    judoguy said
    MikemikeMike said
    discojim saidAnyone know where I can get some?


    ask chuckystud he recommends it. Everyone has low testosterone according to him, unless he changed???


    this is just sad. you start a thread that is anti drugs, and then it becomes an information site for the junkies on where and how to score icon_exclaim.gificon_lol.gif


    Well this is what happens when you post a topic in a public forum, it is a free for all. Just something you have to expect. icon_twisted.gif
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    Nov 08, 2008 4:11 PM GMT
    I would have to say steroid use is more accepted in the US, probably more so here in California. I have no problem with people taking steroids and you can tell who is and who isn't unless your brand new to the gym scene or just stupid. In fact, I'd take them if I could. I know it seems machiavellian but I don't really care. Risks are apart of life, you can either play it safe and spend your life hiding out or go for the gold.
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    Nov 08, 2008 4:32 PM GMT
    Well, they're illegal in the states, but not in the UK.

    I think they are totally accepted amongst gays anywhere. icon_biggrin.gif


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    Nov 08, 2008 6:23 PM GMT
    chizzad,

    why am I concerned about it when I don't use steroids myself???! I don't buy your logic.

    I don't use heroine either... so maybe I shouldn't moralize about that either before I've tried it myself.

    I'm concerned about lots of stuff that doesn't involve myself directly, I'm sure you are too. If we didn't care about anything other than ourselves what would that make us?!

    anyway I see it as a general problem when people gamble with their health. if it's hard drugs, steroids, alcohol or just people who eat too much. it all becomes a problem for society in different ways.

    In competitive sports it becomes my business (i'm a judo coach). I don't want my athletes to use performance enhancing drugs, and if their opponents did, I'd want tough sanctions against them.

    but what I get from this is... there's a lot of steroid using gay men who, at the vain hope of a hot body, would face the risks of impotence, bad acne, losing hair, man boobs and other hormonal disturbances like mental instability and aggressive behaviour.

    I'll take a man who's a little less buff then... he might have a dick that works icon_lol.gif

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    Nov 08, 2008 9:49 PM GMT
    judoguy saidchizzad,

    why am I concerned about it when I don't use steroids myself???! I don't buy your logic.

    I don't use heroine either... so maybe I shouldn't moralize about that either before I've tried it myself.

    I'm concerned about lots of stuff that doesn't involve myself directly, I'm sure you are too. If we didn't care about anything other than ourselves what would that make us?!

    anyway I see it as a general problem when people gamble with their health. if it's hard drugs, steroids, alcohol or just people who eat too much. it all becomes a problem for society in different ways.

    In competitive sports it becomes my business (i'm a judo coach). I don't want my athletes to use performance enhancing drugs, and if their opponents did, I'd want tough sanctions against them.

    but what I get from this is... there's a lot of steroid using gay men who, at the vain hope of a hot body, would face the risks of impotence, bad acne, losing hair, man boobs and other hormonal disturbances like mental instability and aggressive behaviour.

    I'll take a man who's a little less buff then... he might have a dick that works icon_lol.gif



    Point proven, why worry about it? Go on with your life and shut up already!
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    Nov 08, 2008 10:27 PM GMT
    thanks, hope you have a nice weekend too.
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    Nov 09, 2008 3:58 AM GMT
    judoguy saidthanks, hope you have a nice weekend too.


    Haha you too man, but it looks like I will be pulling a 48 hour shift starting tomorrow so weekend outlook is not so good!
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    Nov 09, 2008 10:13 AM GMT
    I care too much about my overall health to get that "desperate", I hope this doesnt sound offensive though. I could gain 60 pounds by just working out 6 months, naturally and with a nice routine I designed for my specific body...I was not even eating properly and still with 6/7 days a week working out every month I could gain some weight. So guys please try to think about it, the only reason why you dont get bigger is not cause you dont use steroids is cause you are not doing your workout the way you should, period.