Drag Queens - Why?

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    Jul 09, 2013 2:24 PM GMT
    READ THIS BEFORE POSTING:

    What this thread is NOT about...

    • This is NOT about attacking drag queens
    • This is NOT about the Stone Wall Riots
    • This is NOT about how much money they raise for charity
    • This is also NOT for people who don't know the difference between a drag queen and a transgender person. If you don't know the difference, please reframe from posting.

    My intention for this thread is to find an answer for a sincere question I have about drag queens. I keep reading that sexual preference is unrelated to gender identity but if that's the case, why are there so many drag queens in the gay community? So my question is really not about judging them but a sincere "why?" Why does being attracted to men make so many gays want to dress up like women?

    I actually know someone who does drag in a theater group, but he does it as a part of his comedy routine and is quite clever and funny. However this doesn't explain the large number of men dressing in drag. Do you do drag? If so, what emotions do you feel that prompt you to dress like a woman?

    I know this is a touchy subject around here so please keep your responses civil and on topic.










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    Jul 09, 2013 2:27 PM GMT
    I don't understand drag queens but realize I don't have to.
    The real question in my mind is why the greater majority of them are all doing the same act.
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    Jul 09, 2013 2:48 PM GMT
    You could ask why do people bird watch, why do people rebuild old cars, why do people become trekies? I think your answer will be about the same.
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    Jul 09, 2013 3:08 PM GMT
    Drag is about entertainment, usually the character is over-the-top.

    You could be asking why so many gay people are in theater, but you're not. Instead you're going to you're comfortable position of asking why everyone can't just stick with the gender norms and all guys act super masc and all women be super femme.

    You could ask why do straight guys do drag-- Tyler Perry, Robin Williams, Eddie Murphy, The Wayans Brothers, Jack Lemmon, Tony Curtis, Guy Pearce, Wesley Snipes, Patrick Swayze, Martin Lawrence, Chris Lilley, Barry Humphries, and Matt Lucas and probably most male actors in a sketch comedy shows.
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    Jul 09, 2013 3:11 PM GMT
    AMoonHawk saidYou could ask why do people bird watch, why do people rebuild old cars, why do people become trekies? I think your answer will be about the same.


    That's a great PC answer but as with most PC responses, it evades the topic instead of addressing it. You don't see straight men flocking together in numbers to do drag. My question is, why do so many gay men do it. You're merely pretending the condition doesn't.
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    Jul 09, 2013 3:14 PM GMT
    Because its fun, just like any other hobby that human beings engage in.
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    Jul 09, 2013 3:15 PM GMT
    Scruffypup said
    AMoonHawk saidYou could ask why do people bird watch, why do people rebuild old cars, why do people become trekies? I think your answer will be about the same.


    That's a great PC answer but as with most PC responses, it evades the topic instead of addressing it. You don't see straight men flocking together in numbers to do drag. My question is, why do so many gay men do it. You're merely pretending the condition doesn't.

    If you think it's a "condition", then why not ask a psychologist, since you already seem to have made up your answer?
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    Jul 09, 2013 3:16 PM GMT
    Macaque saidDrag is about entertainment, usually the character is over-the-top.

    You could be asking why so many gay people are in theater, but you're not. Instead you're going to you're comfortable position of asking why everyone can't just stick with the gender norms and all guys act super masc and all women be super femme.

    You could ask why do straight guys do drag-- Tyler Perry, Robin Williams, Eddie Murphy, The Wayans Brothers, Jack Lemmon, Tony Curtis, Guy Pearce, Wesley Snipes, Patrick Swayze, Martin Lawrence, Chris Lilley, Barry Humphries, and Matt Lucas and probably most male actors in a sketch comedy shows.


    Wrong. I don't want everyone to act "super masc." I believe in people being themselves and not putting on acts. And as I said, comedy sketches cannot account for all the drag queens out there. Are you actually saying you believe there is not a disproportionate number of gay drag queens to straight ones?
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    Jul 09, 2013 3:18 PM GMT
    Scruffypup saidYou don't see straight men flocking together in numbers to do drag. My question is, why do so many gay men do it.

    Most straight men, at least the older generation (think Archie Bunker) assume that all gay men like to dress in women's clothes, which is certainly not true. So for a straight guy to dress in drag would appear that he is gay. Which he is not.

    However while you don't see straight guys in drag, keep in mind that most cross dressers are straight. So how do you explain that? icon_wink.gif
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    Jul 09, 2013 3:19 PM GMT
    Scruffypup said
    Macaque saidDrag is about entertainment, usually the character is over-the-top.

    You could be asking why so many gay people are in theater, but you're not. Instead you're going to you're comfortable position of asking why everyone can't just stick with the gender norms and all guys act super masc and all women be super femme.

    You could ask why do straight guys do drag-- Tyler Perry, Robin Williams, Eddie Murphy, The Wayans Brothers, Jack Lemmon, Tony Curtis, Guy Pearce, Wesley Snipes, Patrick Swayze, Martin Lawrence, Chris Lilley, Barry Humphries, and Matt Lucas and probably most male actors in a sketch comedy shows.


    Wrong. I don't want everyone to act "super masc." I believe in people being themselves and not putting on acts. And as I said, comedy sketches cannot account for all the drag queens out there. Are you actually saying you believe there is not a disproportionate number of gay drag queens to straight ones?


    Maybe a lot more straight men would do drag, but they feel it would undermine their hetero-masculinity, whereas out gay men have more freedom to engage in it. You could just as easily have asked why there are so few straight men doing drag.
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    Scruffypup said
    Macaque saidDrag is about entertainment, usually the character is over-the-top.

    You could be asking why so many gay people are in theater, but you're not. Instead you're going to you're comfortable position of asking why everyone can't just stick with the gender norms and all guys act super masc and all women be super femme.

    You could ask why do straight guys do drag-- Tyler Perry, Robin Williams, Eddie Murphy, The Wayans Brothers, Jack Lemmon, Tony Curtis, Guy Pearce, Wesley Snipes, Patrick Swayze, Martin Lawrence, Chris Lilley, Barry Humphries, and Matt Lucas and probably most male actors in a sketch comedy shows.


    Wrong. I don't want everyone to act "super masc." I believe in people being themselves and not putting on acts. And as I said, comedy sketches cannot account for all the drag queens out there. Are you actually saying you believe there is not a disproportionate number of gay drag queens to straight ones?


    Maybe a lot more straight men would do drag, but they feel it would undermine their hetero-masculinity, whereas out gay men have more freedom to engage in it. You could just as easily have asked why there are so few straight men doing drag.


    Finally, a thoughtful response. That's a good point and one I had not thought of. I kind of doubt that it's true but it's certainly a possibility.
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    Jul 09, 2013 3:23 PM GMT
    It makes them feel like a whore and they like it.
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    Jul 09, 2013 3:36 PM GMT
    I relate not one bit to the "T" part of LGBT.
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    Jul 09, 2013 3:41 PM GMT
    WJohnP saidI relate not one bit to the "T" part of LGBT.


    Same here.

    And at "Pride" parades a very large percentage of the "performers" are dressed up in women's clothes. It presents a very skewed image of the "gay community."

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    Jul 09, 2013 3:52 PM GMT
    Unthoughtful thread is unthoughtful.
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    Jul 09, 2013 4:03 PM GMT
    TrevorMark saidUnthoughtful thread is unthoughtful.

    Right?
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    Jul 09, 2013 4:04 PM GMT
    Scruffypup said
    The_Guruburu said
    Scruffypup said
    Macaque saidDrag is about entertainment, usually the character is over-the-top.

    You could be asking why so many gay people are in theater, but you're not. Instead you're going to you're comfortable position of asking why everyone can't just stick with the gender norms and all guys act super masc and all women be super femme.

    You could ask why do straight guys do drag-- Tyler Perry, Robin Williams, Eddie Murphy, The Wayans Brothers, Jack Lemmon, Tony Curtis, Guy Pearce, Wesley Snipes, Patrick Swayze, Martin Lawrence, Chris Lilley, Barry Humphries, and Matt Lucas and probably most male actors in a sketch comedy shows.


    Wrong. I don't want everyone to act "super masc." I believe in people being themselves and not putting on acts. And as I said, comedy sketches cannot account for all the drag queens out there. Are you actually saying you believe there is not a disproportionate number of gay drag queens to straight ones?


    Maybe a lot more straight men would do drag, but they feel it would undermine their hetero-masculinity, whereas out gay men have more freedom to engage in it. You could just as easily have asked why there are so few straight men doing drag.


    Finally, a thoughtful response. That's a good point and one I had not thought of. I kind of doubt that it's true but it's certainly a possibility.

    I'm glad you kind of doubt but accept as a possibility my contribution. A great start to a great day!
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    southbeach1502 said
    WJohnP saidI relate not one bit to the "T" part of LGBT.


    Same here.

    And at "Pride" parades a very large percentage of the "performers" are dressed up in women's clothes. It presents a very skewed image of the "gay community."



    I think your " " key got stuck.
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    Jul 09, 2013 4:16 PM GMT
    WJohnP saidI relate not one bit to the "T" part of LGBT.

    Meh, I think you just have a stick up your ass.

    You don't have to be straight to be able to relate to straight people, do you? Of course not. Unless you have an actual mental deficiency, you should be able to relate to others who are unlike yourself.

    The truth is that you're prejudice and you don't want to relate to them because you look down on them. That's not something to be proud of. It's just cowardly.
  • HottJoe

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    Jul 09, 2013 4:19 PM GMT
    To answer the question, they do it because it's their form of self expression.
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    Jul 09, 2013 4:21 PM GMT
    HottJoe said
    WJohnP saidI relate not one bit to the "T" part of LGBT.

    Meh, I think you just have a stick up your ass.

    You don't have to be straight to be able to relate to straight people, do you? Of course not. Unless you have an actual mental deficiency, you should be able to relate to others who are unlike yourself.

    The truth is that you're prejudice and you don't want to relate to them because you look down on them. That's not something to be proud of. It's just cowardly.

    +1
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    Jul 09, 2013 4:35 PM GMT
    I'm going to say, it's about accepting the freedom to do it for themselves--how dare Dad tell them not to play with dolls--and a big middle finger to heteronormity.

    Drag to gays=Goth to teens
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    Jul 09, 2013 4:43 PM GMT
    I think a drag queen could probably better answer this but I suspect there are differing reasons. I knew one and he didn't do drag or wear make up or women's clothes outside of shows. He was actually pretty masculine too.

    He said he did it because it was fun and he enjoyed the creative art form. I suspect its so much more common in the gay community because we have less hang ups about being feminine whereas for a straight man to dress in drag they'd have to overcome a lot more barriers (internally and externally).
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    Jul 09, 2013 4:44 PM GMT
    Scruffypup said
    AMoonHawk saidYou could ask why do people bird watch, why do people rebuild old cars, why do people become trekies? I think your answer will be about the same.


    That's a great PC answer but as with most PC responses, it evades the topic instead of addressing it. You don't see straight men flocking together in numbers to do drag. My question is, why do so many gay men do it. You're merely pretending the condition doesn't.

    The observation is still the same. There is usually a disproportionate number of people that will do any particular recreation, activity or job. It has to do with interest, availability, resources. Interest and availability should be obvious. Resources is a little more hazy, this could vary from money to peer pressure. Why does it matter that drag queens are generally gay men. For one it is not an easy thing to pull off. The basis of doing drag is illusion, much like a magician. And for some this is an occupation, because they do get paid for their work (if they are good).