Female inmates sterilized in California prisons without approval

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    Jul 09, 2013 3:23 PM GMT
    Disturbing...

    http://www.sacbee.com/2013/07/07/5549696/female-inmates-sterilized-in-california.html
  • The_Guruburu

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    Jul 09, 2013 7:46 PM GMT
    We don't have a good track record when it comes to inmates' rights in CA. Our prisons are still overcrowded, people still get raped without recourse, violence is rampant, solitary confinement is used for the most trivial things, etc.
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    Jul 10, 2013 1:17 AM GMT
    The_Guruburu saidWe don't have a good track record when it comes to inmates' rights in CA. Our prisons are still overcrowded, people still get raped without recourse, violence is rampant, solitary confinement is used for the most trivial things, etc.


    It's an absurd situation... There should still be a certain expectation of respect when it comes to incarceration. People should go to well, jail for letting these crimes happen - including the forced sterilization.
  • carew28

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    Jul 10, 2013 8:06 PM GMT
    Actually, children deserve to be born into a home that's going to provide them with love, and with decent care and support. I don't see anything wrong with offering a pregnant woman who has multiple children the option of a tubal- ligation when she's given birth, if she has no way of supporting her children. Men with multiple children whom they can't support should also have the option of free vasectomies. I think that this is fair, whether they're imprisoned or not. One of the women who was interviewed, who possibly justifiably felt she wasn't given enough medical information on the procedure, nevertheless acknowledged that it was probably a positive thing for her.

    The statement in the title that it was done without permission/consent, if you actually read the article, meant that the tubal ligations were evidently performed without the permission or consent of the state of California. The state apparently has a procedure in which it's consent/permission must be obtained if the medical procedure is done using state funds. I believe that this is the consent/permission that the doctors' involved neglected to obtain. The consent of the women themselves was freely given. The tubal ligations weren't forced upon them. The request that they consider tubal- ligation at the time that they give birth was made during pre-natal counselling.

    One of the women, who rejected the procedure, did say that she felt pressured. She was asked to consider it when she received pre-natal counselling, and she was asked again when she was admitted into the hospital to give birth. However, I myself don't call this "being pressured". At the time a person undergoes an operation, they are frequently asked to consider various options. This is standard medical procedure.

    There was nothing at all in the article about forced sterilizations being performed.
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    Jul 10, 2013 9:54 PM GMT
    carew28 saidActually, children deserve to be born into a home that's going to provide them with love, and with decent care and support. I don't see anything wrong with offering a pregnant woman who has multiple children the option of a tubal- ligation when she's given birth, if she has no way of supporting her children. Men with multiple children whom they can't support should also have the option of free vasectomies. I think that this is fair, whether they're imprisoned or not. One of the women who was interviewed, who possibly justifiably felt she wasn't given enough medical information on the procedure, nevertheless acknowledged that it was probably a positive thing for her.

    The statement in the title that it was done without permission/consent, if you actually read the article, meant that the tubal ligations were evidently performed without the permission or consent of the state of California. The state apparently has a procedure in which it's consent/permission must be obtained if the medical procedure is done using state funds. I believe that this is the consent/permission that the doctors' involved neglected to obtain. The consent of the women themselves was freely given. The tubal ligations weren't forced upon them. The request that they consider tubal- ligation at the time that they give birth was made during pre-natal counselling.

    One of the women, who rejected the procedure, did say that she felt pressured. She was asked to consider it when she received pre-natal counselling, and she was asked again when she was admitted into the hospital to give birth. However, I myself don't call this "being pressured". At the time a person undergoes an operation, they are frequently asked to consider various options. This is standard medical procedure.

    There was nothing at all in the article about forced sterilizations being performed.


    Why require the procedures/approvals at all then? "Yet Kimberly Jeffrey says she was pressured by a doctor while sedated and strapped to a surgical table for a C-section in 2010, during a stint at Valley State."