California black voters: how ironic

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    Nov 06, 2008 7:02 PM GMT
    Of the (straight) black voters who came out in large numbers to overwhemingly vote for Obama in a successful attempt to shatter racial barriers, ironically decided to oppress gay marriage with a 70% YES on Prop 8 vote. I think this demographic is up to par with the Mormons and heavy church goers. I always thought black people were just like white people: equally biased if not less biased. But I guess not when it comes to bum fun. icon_sad.gif

    Wow, a black president. I guess the battle is won right? Wrong. Can I have my fucking rights now?

    I guess that makes gay the new black? KFC is mine now! icon_lol.gif

    Actually, I don't doubt part of this due to the fact that the gay scene is very white dominant. Too bad the gays weren't able to reach out to the black voters.

    Anyway, let the flames BEGIN!
    (btw I'm not racist. I've seen all the threads bashing Mormons and church goers. Why not blacks? They voted with the same bias.)
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    Nov 06, 2008 7:05 PM GMT
    Nobody said that human beings are rational or consistent. You would think that members of an oppressed minority would be hesitant about discriminating against other minorities, but many people see sexual orientation as a choice as opposed to so-called "race" which is not.

    As long as that fallacy exists, votes like this one will be more likely.
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    Nov 06, 2008 7:26 PM GMT
    SurrealLife saidbut many people see sexual orientation as a choice as opposed to so-called "race" which is not.


    That's their flaw in logic, not mine. Therefore I give them no sympathy.
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    Nov 06, 2008 8:51 PM GMT


    Except that many white gays have nasty expressions about other white gays liking asians or blacks.

    Ever hear of a dinge queen? How about a rice queen?

    Biggest problem we see here is black gays failing to educate their communities. Too many of them on the 'down low'.
    Too much glorification of the gangsta crowd, which hates gays.



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    Nov 06, 2008 8:58 PM GMT
    meninlove said

    Except that many white gays have nasty expressions about other white gays liking asians or blacks.

    Ever hear of a dinge queen? How about a rice queen?

    Biggest problem we see here is black gays failing to educate their communities. Too many of them on the 'down low'.
    Too much glorification of the gangsta crowd, which hates gays.


    I thought those were just slang phrases, but not with negative connotations. I wonder if there's a negative one for people who date white guys: supremacist chaser? lol

    As for tha gangsta crowd, I'm a mutha fuggin GAYNGSTA betch
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    Nov 06, 2008 9:01 PM GMT
    You are talking about "potatoe queens" Jakebenson. Guys that only like white guys.

    I have been called a rice queen more than once by people who assume that since I have an asian partner, I automatically favour Asian men.

    Not true. I am a la carte queen. I like a little bit of every thing, and sampled most in my single days. icon_cool.gif
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    Nov 06, 2008 9:09 PM GMT


    And I , too, sampled the 'rainbow' of ethnicity before ending up, based on things OTHER than race, with my 'potatoe' Irish guy!

    Thanks SurrealLife. We thought most wouldn't remember such nastiness exists.

    Thank God we live in a country where the marriage issue was not voted on in a referendum! Charter of rights and freedoms, indeed!
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    Nov 06, 2008 10:56 PM GMT
    Thats understandable if you take into account that there are not that many black gay guys, so it will take longer for this culture to accept this sexual orientation. I dont think that can justify their vote but that can explain why is happening at least. icon_confused.gif
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    Nov 06, 2008 10:59 PM GMT
    charlitos saidThats understandable if you take into account that there are not that many black gay guys, so it will take longer for this culture to accept this sexual orientation. I dont think that can justify their vote but that can explain why is happening at least. icon_confused.gif


    I assume that you mean black gay guys that are out in the community.
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    Nov 06, 2008 11:01 PM GMT
    charlitos saidThats understandable if you take into account that there are not that many black gay guys, so it will take longer for this culture to accept this sexual orientation. I dont think that can justify their vote but that can explain why is happening at least. icon_confused.gif


    Correction: There aren't that many black out gay guys. I imagine gay blacks exist in the same proportions as do gays of other races.
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    Nov 06, 2008 11:04 PM GMT
    You'd think the gay community would be about celebrating diversity but the farther you are from being white, middleclass, athletic, all-american, the more you are nothing.

    Once we start diversifying our image, the more the black community will think the gay community is more than a bunch of white elitists with deviant tendencies.
  • motivated

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    Nov 06, 2008 11:11 PM GMT
    "Exit polls for The Associated Press found that Proposition 8 received critical support from black voters who flocked to the polls to support Barack Obama for president. Blacks voted strongly in favor of the ban, while whites narrowly opposed it and Latinos and Asians were split."

    I was also very saddened to see the vote breakdown for Prop 8 (assuming the exit polls are fairly accurate). Whether one believes being gay is a choice or not I still do not understand how a minority group that has suffered through any type of discrimination would wish that on anyone else.

    Some things I guess I will just never understand....
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    Nov 06, 2008 11:12 PM GMT
    This is, I think a wake up call for the queer community. Blacks, Asians and other minorities pretty much are in the back of the pink bus. Take a look at the ads in the community: how many people of color do we see?
    We're a mirror of the larger community. Well, as of yesterday that larger community shifted. We should begin laying the groundwork for broader community acceptance. Many minority communities are open homophobic. Seeing as many minority queers don't get equal representation within the LGBT community, why should it be a surprise these ethnic communities are homophobic?
    Every black, Asian, or other person of color would have had a hard time stripping an open and fully queer community accepted person of basic civil rights.
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    Nov 06, 2008 11:16 PM GMT
    We only look like and sleep with A&F models. We do this in order to seem "normal" to the straight population, since those models are so "normal" looking.
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    Nov 06, 2008 11:16 PM GMT
    XRuggerATX said
    charlitos saidThats understandable if you take into account that there are not that many black gay guys, so it will take longer for this culture to accept this sexual orientation. I dont think that can justify their vote but that can explain why is happening at least. icon_confused.gif


    Correction: There aren't that many black out gay guys. I imagine gay blacks exist in the same proportions as do gays of other races.


    I think he did mean "not that many black gay guys". Gay blacks probably do exist in the same proportions as other races - which means that if there is 1 black person for every 10 white people in California, there will be 1 black gay for every 10 white gays. Comparitively, that would be "not that many."

    I think that this, coupled with potentially lower rates of black gays being out (I'm not convinced they are lower), is certainly a plausible part of the reason things played out the way they did.

    And swimbikerun, I agree with you. This doesn't need to lead to placing blame but to the pro-gay movement to self-assess and see if it has been reaching out to other minorities.
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    Nov 06, 2008 11:17 PM GMT
    This is a touchy subject. You have to remember that being gay is severely looked down upone more so than the white community. Im more surprised with the California residents. California seems pretty liberal and everybody seems to know someone gay. I just cant understand it.

    And not every black person voted for Obama. Not sure I like the KFC joke....yeah...I definitely dont like that joke. Your not racist but that joke is tip toeing on that line.
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    Nov 06, 2008 11:17 PM GMT
    joggerva said
    XRuggerATX said
    charlitos saidThats understandable if you take into account that there are not that many black gay guys, so it will take longer for this culture to accept this sexual orientation. I dont think that can justify their vote but that can explain why is happening at least. icon_confused.gif


    Correction: There aren't that many black out gay guys. I imagine gay blacks exist in the same proportions as do gays of other races.


    I think he did mean "not that many black gay guys". Gay blacks probably do exist in the same proportions as other races - which means that if there is 1 black person for every 10 white people in California, there will be 1 black gay for every 10 white gays. Comparitively, that would be "not that many."

    I think that this, coupled with potentially lower rates of black gays being out (I'm not convinced they are lower), is certainly a plausible part of the reason things played out the way they did.


    Fair enough.
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    Nov 06, 2008 11:18 PM GMT
    We are not really gonna make any difference claiming our rights in a gay forum...it might help you to feel better when you finally say everything you have inside that is pissing you off. If you want to do something then DO something, in the right places and the right people. Realjock will be useful to find support but if you want to make a difference, stop complaining in a gay website and go outside and F&*# make a difference.
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    Nov 06, 2008 11:20 PM GMT
    chariot said"Exit polls for The Associated Press found that Proposition 8 received critical support from black voters who flocked to the polls to support Barack Obama for president. Blacks voted strongly in favor of the ban, while whites narrowly opposed it and Latinos and Asians were split."

    I was also very saddened to see the vote breakdown for Prop 8 (assuming the exit polls are fairly accurate). Whether one believes being gay is a choice or not I still do not understand how a minority group that has suffered through any type of discrimination would wish that on anyone else.

    Some things I guess I will just never understand....


    Perhaps its because these people don't believe gays not getting married is negative discrimination. Kind of like how a lot of people just feel that sexual racial preference is positive discrimination. Think of it that way.
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    Nov 06, 2008 11:20 PM GMT
    swimbikerun saidThis is, I think a wake up call for the queer community. Blacks, Asians and other minorities pretty much are in the back of the pink bus. Take a look at the ads in the community: how many people of color do we see?
    We're a mirror of the larger community. Well, as of yesterday that larger community shifted. We should begin laying the groundwork for broader community acceptance. Many minority communities are open homophobic. Seeing as many minority queers don't get equal representation within the LGBT community, why should it be a surprise these ethnic communities are homophobic?
    Every black, Asian, or other person of color would have had a hard time stripping an open and fully queer community accepted person of basic civil rights.


    For some reason I see a lot of Asians (chinese, japanese, filipino) in the gay commuity in Toronto, but very few people of African or South Asian (e.g. India or Pakistan) descent. I don't know why that is because Toronto is a very diverse city.
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    Nov 06, 2008 11:20 PM GMT
    As a person of mixed race myself, I think it goes back to how during slave times there was so much faith in Christianity, and that God would lead them out of bondage. Church is still a very important part of African-American culture, and in the church-going demographic, there is alot of anti-gay sentiment.

    It seems like alot of minority groups give less rights to gays. In hispanic culture, for example, it's all about being manly--a lot of Mexican men try to be very masculine. I have female friends from Mexico who when they were in high school couldn't even go to the movies!!! That place is really conservative it seems...

    Ive heard the Philippines and Jamaica are veyr homophobic, too. I think it has to do with developed socieities (primarily the "white ones") have more educated and thus more liberal people. Look at how liberal European countries and Canada are towards gays compared to like Egypt, Nicaragua, India, China, etc...
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    Nov 06, 2008 11:28 PM GMT
    [quote][cite]pelotudo87 said[/cite]As a person of mixed race myself, I think it goes back to how during slave times there was so much faith in Christianity, and that God would lead them out of bondage. Church is still a very important part of African-American culture, and in the church-going demographic, there is alot of anti-gay sentiment.
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    Exactly, thanks for bringing that up. Its a very good point. If only many of these guys understood that.

    BTW: Looked at your pictures...GREAT PROGRESS. icon_lol.gificon_redface.gif
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    Nov 06, 2008 11:32 PM GMT
    Barricade said
    swimbikerun saidThis is, I think a wake up call for the queer community. Blacks, Asians and other minorities pretty much are in the back of the pink bus. Take a look at the ads in the community: how many people of color do we see?
    We're a mirror of the larger community. Well, as of yesterday that larger community shifted. We should begin laying the groundwork for broader community acceptance. Many minority communities are open homophobic. Seeing as many minority queers don't get equal representation within the LGBT community, why should it be a surprise these ethnic communities are homophobic?
    Every black, Asian, or other person of color would have had a hard time stripping an open and fully queer community accepted person of basic civil rights.




    The gay community is a mirror of the larger of the community. So with this Prop 8 being approved(partly in due to large numbers of black voters) it is now open season to codemn the entire population as a whole and as the OP. Thank You. It's one minority group attacking another. I really see this as productive to the cause. KFC? WTF? Let's come together, easier said than done.

    It's hard to tell if you agree with my point or not (sarcasm doesn't translate well) but I'm not attacking or condemning anyone. I'm saying we, the queer community should be more accepting of minorities. The "All American Boy" brings to mind a white, young man with blue eyes and blond hair. If we were more supportive of minorities, I think it would make black folks in particular, feel just a bit safer to being open.


    I think this a good article. Blacks and Hispanics together passed Prop 8.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/21/us/politics/21gay.html?_r=1&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss&oref=slogin
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    Nov 06, 2008 11:40 PM GMT
    Two words: thug culture

    There has been an alarming growing trend toward an over-aggressive culture that is becoming typified in today's rap music. It was just last year when race was a renewed issue over the Imus comments that evoked such comments that can be found in today's rap music. It's all about "street cred". To support gay rights as a black man is an "assault" on his masculinity. It's the same kind of reactions of those who oppose homosexual service in the military. They presume that allowing or supporting that part of sexual orientation is a weakening, or an affront, to what is thought of as masculine.
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    Nov 06, 2008 11:52 PM GMT
    coolHUSSEINdude saidTwo words: thug culture

    There has been an alarming growing trend toward an over-aggressive culture that is becoming typified in today's rap music. It was just last year when race was a renewed issue over the Imus comments that evoked such comments that can be found in today's rap music. It's all about "street cred". To support gay rights as a black man is an "assault" on his masculinity. It's the same kind of reactions of those who oppose homosexual service in the military. They presume that allowing or supporting that part of sexual orientation is a weakening, or an affront, to what is thought of as masculine.


    What is the last rap album you listened to? People aren't giving credit to blacks as thinking individuals too, not everyone listens to rap or worries about "street cred". I kinda see your point. kinda.