The Ascension of Jesus. Your Own Ascension, Heaven IS Up (or Where Souls Go after People Die)

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    Jul 11, 2013 9:15 AM GMT
    "At the moment of death, our soul rises out of its host body."

    Jesus ascended.
    We ascend.
    Heaven is up.

    "[Souls are met] by guides just outside Earth's astral plane. A young soul, or a child who has died, may be a little disoriented until someone comes closer to ground level for them."

    "As [the souls] move further away from Earth, souls experience..."

    Probability: Jesus was able to make his spirit materialize (take on matter) appearing incarnate when he was not. When it was time for him to leave the incarnate world, his spirit let go of the matter Magically accumulated to his spirit body.

    In paranormal evidence, we know spirits can move up and down.

    In the paranormal evidence of Near Death Experiences, we know souls can look down on the operating table.

    CONCLUSION:

    Yes, a material body would experience the natural physical affects of which we are aware when rising high in Earth's atmosphere.

    Yes, a spirit that has made itself more material for purposes of being seen and felt would also experience the natural physical affects of which we are aware when rising high in Earth's atmosphere. Therefore, it must take off its clothes of materiality.

    Jesus, like a Hollywood superhero, only needed to gather matter (like an Invisible Man) for as long as his loved ones needed to see him and see him ascend. Then, he let go of Newtonian Physics Reality and returned to the physics of a conscious entity, a physics, for example, where there is no linear time.
  • Philip101

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    Jul 12, 2013 12:44 AM GMT
    Wow. It scares me how willing you are to accept the premises you propose.

    What evidence do you have for all of this nonsense?
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    Jul 12, 2013 1:03 AM GMT
    Oh Lord, this thread
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    Jul 12, 2013 1:35 AM GMT
    Im Catholic I believe we are judged at the moment of death and again on the last day when our bodies and souls will be rejoined.Ryan
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    Jul 12, 2013 2:24 AM GMT
    Philip101 saidWow. It scares me how willing you are to accept the premises you propose.

    What evidence do you have for all of this nonsense?


    I finished reading Journey of Souls: Case Studies of Life between Lives by Michael Newton.

    Now, I'm reading Destiny of Souls: New Case Studies of Life between Lives by Michael Newton.

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    Jul 12, 2013 2:26 AM GMT
    A lot of this has been said for years!!.. The body and soul are co-principles you can't have one without the other. But the soul is immortal and is incapable of spacial extension, with that said you need a body to actualize the souls capabilities and a body to host it. I doubt that a soul can neccesarily experience anything outside the body since it doesn't have a body to host it. Like-wise a body can not experience anything either without a soul hence it is just a corpse. - Alex

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    but you will.
    We all have to.
    Many adults who nurtured and groomed me, encouraged me, taught me, cared about me, asked me how I was doing, smiled on me, blessed me have died.
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    Jul 12, 2013 2:30 AM GMT
    WickedRyan saidIm Catholic I believe we are judged at the moment of death and again on the last day when our bodies and souls will be rejoined. Ryan


    Should people be rejoined to their bodies?
    What if they are 4 months old when they died.
    What if they were 94 years old when they died.
    What if they didn't die in their prime?

    Rejoined to their bodies on what planet?

    Rejoined to bodied that have had their insides removed--bodies treated by undertakers? And the cremated?

    Really?
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    Jul 12, 2013 2:34 AM GMT
    yeah, i don't believe in heaven or hell i just think your energy returns from once it came. If nothing at all happens and we are all just matter than so be it, not like we have the power to alter this in any way shape or form.
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    Jul 12, 2013 2:43 AM GMT
    AlphaBetaZero saidA lot of this has been said for years!!.. The body and soul are co-principles you can't have one without the other. But the soul is immortal and is incapable of spacial extension, with that said you need a body to actualize the souls capabilities and a body to host it. I doubt that a soul can neccesarily experience anything outside the body since it doesn't have a body to host it. Like-wise a body can not experience anything either without a soul hence it is just a corpse. - Alex



    Alex, that cannot be right given Near Death Experiences: dead-body but life anyway.

    That cannot be right given paranormal studies: bodies dead and buried but ghosts on Earth, ghosts and orbs that have been photographed.
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    Jul 12, 2013 3:18 AM GMT
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    AlphaBetaZero saidA lot of this has been said for years!!.. The body and soul are co-principles you can't have one without the other. But the soul is immortal and is incapable of spacial extension, with that said you need a body to actualize the souls capabilities and a body to host it. I doubt that a soul can neccesarily experience anything outside the body since it doesn't have a body to host it. Like-wise a body can not experience anything either without a soul hence it is just a corpse. - Alex



    Alex, that cannot be right given Near Death Experiences: dead-body but life anyway.

    That cannot be right given paranormal studies: bodies dead and buried but ghosts on Earth, ghosts and orbs that have been photographed.


    there is no proof of near death experiences being valid forms of evidence. there is no way to verify them and even more than that the mind can continue to function even after the heart has stopped beating for several minutes. Most people who have near death experiences are revived within the time limit needed to protect their brain cells from dying of lack of oxygen. There are several steps to death, one of which is a memory dump that tries to find a way out of the situation. Another step is a form of acceptance, which allows the person dying to have a peaceful experience.

    Most people inspired by the world around them, they use the myths and legends they have collected over their life time to form the near death experience. It is why there is a collective concept called the white light and tunnel.

    As for the ghost concept, i dont believe spirits stay here. I do however believe that we leave behind our energy, an imprint of our selves as we were in that experience. It is why ghosts are seen repeating the same action before they died. The amount of emotional energy required for them to pass to the next world was enough to leave behind a part of them. A memory if you will.

    but this is just a theory i have conjectured.
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    Jul 12, 2013 3:41 AM GMT
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    Jul 12, 2013 4:41 AM GMT
    ... Like most people, I find this kind of discourse somewhat repulsive.

    That being said, the view that Jesus only "appeared" incarnate is not new, nor even particularly original. The idea is called "docetism" in the scholarship, and it is widely represented in the Apocrypha.
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    Jul 12, 2013 5:10 AM GMT
    I'm sorry, anyone who believes in ghosts is a complete idiot.
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    Jul 12, 2013 12:25 PM GMT
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    AlphaBetaZero saidA lot of this has been said for years!!.. The body and soul are co-principles you can't have one without the other. But the soul is immortal and is incapable of spacial extension, with that said you need a body to actualize the souls capabilities and a body to host it. I doubt that a soul can neccesarily experience anything outside the body since it doesn't have a body to host it. Like-wise a body can not experience anything either without a soul hence it is just a corpse. - Alex



    Alex, that cannot be right given Near Death Experiences: dead-body but life anyway.

    That cannot be right given paranormal studies: bodies dead and buried but ghosts on Earth, ghosts and orbs that have been photographed.


    there is no proof of near death experiences being valid forms of evidence. there is no way to verify them and even more than that the mind can continue to function even after the heart has stopped beating for several minutes. Most people who have near death experiences are revived within the time limit needed to protect their brain cells from dying of lack of oxygen. There are several steps to death, one of which is a memory dump that tries to find a way out of the situation. Another step is a form of acceptance, which allows the person dying to have a peaceful experience.

    Most people inspired by the world around them, they use the myths and legends they have collected over their life time to form the near death experience. It is why there is a collective concept called the white light and tunnel.


    You need to address the issue of NDEs: the witness of the dead of what's going on in the operating room. Here, I'm only talking about NDEs that happen in hospitals--the evidence is good (the person is connected to monitors of life and some cases include monitor connection to brain activity.
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    Jul 12, 2013 12:57 PM GMT
    No it's true, I saw jesus at target just the other day. icon_biggrin.gif
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    Jul 13, 2013 3:47 AM GMT
    Akhuan said... Like most people, I find this kind of discourse somewhat repulsive.

    That being said, the view that Jesus only "appeared" incarnate is not new, nor even particularly original. The idea is called "docetism" in the scholarship, and it is widely represented in the Apocrypha.


    I'm not talking about Docetism. That refers to Jesus not being a flesh and blood person before he resurrected.
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    Jul 13, 2013 10:28 AM GMT
    If heaven is up, what happens when people die if the earth is upside down? Do they go to hell? icon_eek.gif
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    Jul 13, 2013 10:42 AM GMT
    Well you probably do not need to read many books to understand what happens with the soul, the spirit and the physical body we have on earth.....Just read the bible and you will find the answers you need. It might seem hard to interpret but clear enough to find peace of mind and enlightenment of the logic behind God's creation.

    Just a summary:
    When you die:
    -Spirit returns to God
    -Soul remains dormant until the judgement day. Where....good question, I will find out.
    -Body- well as organic matter it decomposes, so I guess it becomes dust in the end.
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    Jul 13, 2013 10:49 AM GMT
    I saw an image of the Virgin Mary in my latte yesterday. She sure was delicious.
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    Jul 13, 2013 11:05 AM GMT
    paulflexes saidIf heaven is up, what happens when people die if the earth is upside down? Do they go to hell? icon_eek.gif


    Up, as in off the ground, is what the author of the book is saying. So, no matter where you are on the globe of the Earth, he's saying, people souls leave ground level--kind of like airplanes always go up to get where they're going.

    I one time had to think about the theory of the spiritual world of humans being in another dimension but within Earth's atmosphere:

    1: The Bible saying the Kingdom of God is upon you--or some verse suggesting an Earthbound heaven--possibility that the non-four dimensions of the spirit world could be so far away but yet so near.

    2: The movie Contact, in which the Jodie Foster character goes to another world but her spaceship has not left earth.

    Given reincarnation to Earth, why would the place of the souls have to be so far and yet so far?

    Given Quantum Physics and nonlocality, the place of the souls and the overseer of the souls could be far away in Newtonian(?) terms.
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    Jul 13, 2013 11:31 AM GMT
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    Well you probably do not need to read many books to understand what happens with the soul, the spirit and the physical body we have on earth.....Just read the bible and you will find the answers you need.

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    Hi Shark100.

    I've studied the Bible.
    Check my profile.
    Also, check on amazon.com for the book
    The Greatest Bible Study in Historical Accuracy by Steefen.
    Then check books by Bart Ehrman.
    Then check The Age of Reason by Thomas Paine.

    The Bible gives us many wrong answers and tells us many things that are not accurate, let alone up-to-date.

    As it pertains to the soul and the spirit, the Bible looses credibility because it does not speak of

    meridians,

    chakras, aura, chakra balancing, the life of the human aura (see the book, Infinite Mind by Valerie V. Hunt).

    It also does not speak of life between lives. (See Journey of Souls and Destiny of Souls by Michael Newton.)

    It does not speak about Astro-Carto-Graphy a topic in the subject: Locational Astrology. (Personally, being lost and saved in this lifetime has a lot to do with this, as it relates to self and others with whom you come in contact.) Jim Lewis is an astrologer who wrote about this.

    Jesus' failure - he said, his generation would see the kingdom of god victorious. Even when he ascended, his generation was wondering if he was coming back victorious on clouds. Jesus and what army? His failure is precisely why the Jewish establishment turned on him when he got his Son of Man movement underway. The Son of Man movement was picked up by Stephen who was stoned after saying the Son of Man was at the right hand of the Power/God. Both Jesus and Stephen saw God's power over the power of Rome. That rebellious stance led to the Jewish Revolt that got Jerusalem sacked, which the high priests and rabbis did not want.