Important question about California gay marriage issue.

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    Nov 07, 2008 1:43 AM GMT
    It's important to me, anyway.

    Before the CA Supreme Court decision that not allowing same sex marriages was unconstitutional, were there laws in place granting same sex couples civil unionship with all the same rights under California law as people who had 'married' status?
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    Nov 07, 2008 3:28 AM GMT
    str8hardbody saidThe VOTERS had spoken & PASSED the Prop 8 we have to deal with it. even you protest & rally you can't do anything about it unless we vote again. We should respect the decision of the VOTERS! icon_eek.gif


    Obviously, the voters have spoken. The point is that they spoke for bigotry. This is not over and if you wont support your community, then just stay out of it. We don't need anyone bringing us down and telling us we're not good enough, much less one of our own. We will continue the fight, and we will win. I was born equal, and I will die equal.

    As to the question at hand...no, the civil unions were not the same as marriage. Property rights, and those that come with a real marriage, were not equal.

    People keep on asking, "What's the difference between a civil union and marriage?" The answer - family & blood. A married couple differs because they are recognized as blood relatives, a real family when rights are considered...even if they don't share the same relatives, their union is a union in blood. Civil unions grant some rights, but do not grant all that we should be allowed as other US couples are allowed.
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    Nov 07, 2008 3:36 AM GMT
    McGay saidIt's important to me, anyway.

    Before the CA Supreme Court decision that not allowing same sex marriages was unconstitutional, were there laws in place granting same sex couples civil unionship with all the same rights under California law as people who had 'married' status?
    No. I have friends that have a civil union and Marriage is stronger. The judges actually ruled against the last ban noting that fact.

    http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-gaymarriage16-2008may16,0,6182317.storyMany gay Californians said that even the state's broadly worded domestic partnership law provided only a second-class substitute for marriage. The court agreed.

    The court concluded that giving gays a separate institution -- domestic partnership -- "marked gays and lesbians as second-class citizens," Sears said.
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    Nov 07, 2008 3:46 AM GMT
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    str8hardbody saidThe VOTERS had spoken & PASSED the Prop 8 we have to deal with it. even you protest & rally you can't do anything about it unless we vote again. We should respect the decision of the VOTERS! icon_eek.gif


    Obviously, the voters have spoken. The point is that they spoke for bigotry. This is not over and if you wont support your community, then just stay out of it. We don't need anyone bringing us down and telling us we're not good enough, much less one of our own. We will continue the fight, and we will win. I was born equal, and I will die equal.

    As to the question at hand...no, the civil unions were not the same as marriage. Property rights, and those that come with a real marriage, were not equal.

    People keep on asking, "What's the difference between a civil union and marriage?" The answer - family & blood. A married couple differs because they are recognized as blood relatives, a real family when rights are considered...even if they don't share the same relatives, their union is a union in blood. Civil unions grant some rights, but do not grant all that we should be allowed as other US couples are allowed.


    Well spoken.
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    Nov 07, 2008 3:55 AM GMT
    str8hardbody saidThe VOTERS have spoken & PASSED the Prop 8 we have to deal with it. even you protest & rally you can't do anything about it unless we vote again. We should respect the decision of the VOTERS! icon_eek.gif
    With that lousy attitude, blacks would still be riding in the back of the bus. With that lousy attitude, we'd still be citizens of the British Empire.
    We've every right to fight back and fight back hard.
    I suppose you won't want to be at the party when we've won full equality one day.