I'm mad

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    Nov 07, 2008 7:56 AM GMT
    I've been reading news stories about the protests and the subsequent comments from both allies and homophobes. And I'm really mad. I feel like burning churches.

    Seriously. icon_mad.gif

    I know that's irrational, but lord that's really how I feel right now.
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    Nov 07, 2008 8:00 AM GMT


    .........cookie?
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    Nov 07, 2008 8:03 AM GMT


    *they run and hide under bed with dogs because they know that Sedative is NOT KIDDING*
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    Nov 07, 2008 8:05 AM GMT
    BURN! icon_evil.gif
    !@^%$#^!R%#&!%&^%#&^!#%&$&$ MORMONS!!!!!!!!!!!
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    Nov 07, 2008 8:13 AM GMT

    *crumples up a large pile of Christian extremists and lugs them over to Sedative's campfire...*
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    Nov 07, 2008 8:54 AM GMT
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    Nov 07, 2008 1:07 PM GMT
    hahahahahahahahaha
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    Nov 07, 2008 1:08 PM GMT
    I feel the same way, Sedative. My mom had to calm me down last night. I said some really nasty things over the dinner table.
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    Nov 07, 2008 1:12 PM GMT
    Eric, I know its hard not to react the way you are, but to react irrationally doesn't help. Yell and rave here, then calm down...

    I can appreciate why you are upset, however.
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    Nov 07, 2008 1:14 PM GMT
    Most people aren't Christian Extremists... they just may not be ready for same-sex marriage.

    I think the solution isn't to pour more money into the situation, but to start a more grass-roots, personal campaign to show people who voted for the same-sex marriage ban who they are voting against: their neighbor, their siblings, their colleagues, their friends...

    I think to make this harder is to display homosexuals in a light that shows we are not so different from our fellow Americans: we have the same dreams, hopes, needs, and though we may be attracted to the same-sex... that is where the difference ends. It shouldn't be a us vs. them mentality... but that's where it is in this country, and what we need to fight against.

    It's not the legislation, its the thinking and reasons BEHIND the legislation that need to change.
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    Nov 07, 2008 1:27 PM GMT
    Sedative saidI've been reading news stories about the protests and the subsequent comments from both allies and homophobes. And I'm really mad. I feel like burning churches.

    Seriously. icon_mad.gif

    I know that's irrational, but lord that's really how I feel right now.

    That's not irrational. Churches are one of our major opponents. It is perfectly rational to target your opponents. It may not be prudent and politic. But it's rational.

    I am glad to start hearing about how frustrated people are feeling. Something is gonna change. But I really think it will be changed in the California courts. I expect the Prop 8 amendment to be struck down due to conflict with the Equal protection clause. It would be just a tyranny of the majority to allow this to stand. And the courts will see thru this.

    If they dont, expect trouble.
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    Nov 07, 2008 1:34 PM GMT
    I guess it is a sign of getting older, but I find it hard to get that upset about some organized religions and their homophobia. I have experienced it for so long, and actually I find it has gotten better since I came out.

    The USA seems to be particularly cursed by the abundance of the more extreme forms of religion. Not only that, but people in the US actually attend church, and in large numbers. That is in contrast to Europe, Canada and Australia.

    I find I get more upset reading some of the comments on RJ from gay men who would feel perfectly at home sitting down to dinner with the likes of George W. Bush or Sarah Palin.
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    Nov 07, 2008 2:11 PM GMT
    Sedative saidAnd I'm really mad. I feel like burning churches.

    Nah, you are just really emotional right now (and for the right reason). It would be hypocritical for us to seek severe persecution of them all the while we are "second-class citizens".

    Maybe do something fun and appreciate the world today?
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    Nov 07, 2008 2:12 PM GMT
    First, we give credence to these movements by calling them religions. Time to call a spade a spade, label them as the cults they are and give them the battle they deserve. They are no more about God or Jesus than they are about knitting sweaters. It is a swindle, the perpetrators of which literally get away with murder followed by theft on the grandest scale of all. You want to save the world economy? Stop giving money to your church. Everything will be fixed in a month.

    Second, time to call these people out with debates and show them for the fools they are. They shove their voodoo, suspicions, and their very expensive good luck charms down people's throats and nobody questions them on the stages where they need questioning, their own churches. It's a one way communication in church, an indoctrination. Don't forget Jim Jones and Guyana and the next time you're in a church, look around at the faithful and realize how easily those people were swayed into literally drinking the fucking kool aid.

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    Nov 07, 2008 2:29 PM GMT
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    Dear California,

    Can you please vote on Prop 8 again in two years when voter turn out is nonexistent?

    kisses,

    -MZ
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    Nov 07, 2008 3:36 PM GMT
    It's sad. People people people people....Mmm Mm mm Mmm mmmm...
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    Nov 07, 2008 3:41 PM GMT
    Hey I like my church! Lol.
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    Nov 07, 2008 3:50 PM GMT
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    The Truth Machine
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    Nov 07, 2008 4:29 PM GMT
    I think its time gays take this to the next level. We should start taking things away from other people and see how they like it.

    Mormon Bashing Time! Put Coffee in the municipal water! Call them dirty Pologamists... Mormon church is the scum of the Christian faiths anyways.



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    Nov 07, 2008 5:54 PM GMT


    Next time they come to our door, we'll calmly tell them about
    discrimination by the churches down there and tell them, oh well, we'll love the sinners (parishioners) and hate the sin (the organization).icon_lol.gif
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    Nov 07, 2008 5:55 PM GMT
    the mormon lifestyle is an abomination before god
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    Nov 07, 2008 5:59 PM GMT
    girl, where my popcorn at... this gonna be good...
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    Nov 07, 2008 6:03 PM GMT
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    Dear California,

    Can you please vote on Prop 8 again in two years when voter turn out is nonexistent?

    kisses,

    -MZ


    Why wait two years? RECOUNT! Come on everybody, we're gonna have a Recount!
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    Nov 07, 2008 6:09 PM GMT
    Commentary: Latinos should see gay marriage a civil right

    Story Highlights
    Fernando Espuelas: Latino voters provided critical support for Prop. 8
    He says the ban on same-sex marriage violates basic civil rights
    Espuelas: By taking away rights, a minority group threatens its own liberties

    "The irony of Latino support for Prop. 8 is sad. That a community that continues to struggle for basic rights would deny them to another is particularly baffling."

    http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/11/06/espuelas.prop.eight/index.html

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    Nov 07, 2008 6:13 PM GMT
    I got this in my email.....


    "Not everyone was as jubilant about the gains for marriage as (the) Family Research Council and our supporters. This morning, FOX News posted photo after photo of the anti-family rioting in Los Angeles..." -- Tony Perkins, President of the Family Research Council, a powerful right-wing religious think tank that helped lead the campaign to pass Proposition 8.

    Dear David,

    "Anti-family rioting."

    That is how the religious extremists behind Prop 8 are characterizing the protests that have spread across California in the aftermath of Tuesday's passage of the ballot measure that eliminated the right of same-sex couples to marry.

    I was at the heart of one of these amazing marches in Los Angeles on Wednesday night. And it was anything but "anti-family rioting."

    It was history in the making -- thousands of passionate Americans spontaneously speaking out against enshrining discrimination into the California state constitution.

    We are witnessing the birth of a new Marriage Equality Movement -- the civil rights movement of the 21st Century. Organized from the bottom-up by thousands of ordinary people just like you in the last 48 hours, this people-powered phenomenon is exponentially growing by the minute, online and offline.

    You are at ground zero in this movement. And we need to take it to the next level -- a new initiative campaign to repeal Prop 8 and restore marriage equality to California. Please pledge your support now to repeal Prop 8 -- then forward this message to your friends:

    http://www.couragecampaign.org/RepealProp8

    California had the chance to do what no other state has done and uphold equality for all. Instead, a slim majority decided to strip fundamental human rights from a minority. As Jonathan Stein writes at Mother Jones:

    "The decision violates, violently, the image of my state that I have held with such pride my entire life. California is a wonderful place for a lot of reasons, but foremost among them is the way in which it welcomes people."

    Movements are visceral and popular, often borne of outrage and anger. What we are witnessing on the streets and online is a community of people who have come together to say: "These are our lives. This is our time. This is unacceptable."

    This is our moment to stand strong together -- gay and straight -- and say that we refuse to accept a California that enshrines bigotry into our state constitution. Please pledge your support now to repeal Prop 8 and restore marriage equality to California -- then forward this message to your friends:

    http://www.couragecampaign.org/RepealProp8

    Thank you for mobilizing your friends to fight the religious right and restore marriage equality to California.

    Rick Jacobs
    Chair

    P.S. My friends Zach Shepard and Geoffrey Murry helped spark Wednesday and Thursday night's marches in Los Angeles, activating their social networks via email and Facebook. These two young lawyers have never led a protest in their lives, but they decided to take matters into their own hands, along with thousands of other concerned citizens shocked at the passage of Prop 8.

    Like Zach and Geoffrey, you can help build California's new Marriage Equality Movement today by taking action in your own community. Will you start by pledging your support to repeal Prop 8 and then forward this message to your friends?

    http://www.couragecampaign.org/RepealProp8

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