Traveling to Homophobic countries

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    Jul 14, 2013 4:41 PM GMT
    Whats your take on this? Would you refuse to travel to places like Jamaica and Rusia where homophobia is still quite prevalent? In the end your tourist money is supporting a system that would put you in jail or hurt you for being gay. A system that causes a lot of pain to the local LGBTs.

    Is this the right approach or should we just ignore whats going on, go to these places anyways and try to get them exposed to the foreign gay community with the hopes that will eventually understand that gays are not a threat.
  • travis_27

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    Jul 14, 2013 5:09 PM GMT
    I wouldn't mind going there but I would stay away from the gay stuff. If there are no other security concerns.
  • Bunjamon

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    Jul 14, 2013 6:51 PM GMT
    I would refrain from traveling to a place where I would feel unsafe if people knew that I was gay, or where I could be harassed/arrested/hurt for holding my boyfriend's hand or kissing him in public (or even sharing a hotel room with a single bed).

    That being said, I would really love to visit Russia, but places like Jamaica do nothing for me, since there are beautiful beaches all over the world and there's nothing inherently remarkable about Jamaica's beaches.

    I told a friend of mine that I wanted to travel to North Korea and to Myanmar and she scolded me for wanting to spend my money in a country that oppresses its people (though in Myanmar's case that's gradually changing). Money is powerful, and if Russia sees a steep decline in tourism because of their gay propaganda laws, I don't think it will take long before they repeal it.
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    Jul 14, 2013 6:52 PM GMT
    Just act straight and you'll be fine.
  • TannerMasseur

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    Jul 14, 2013 6:56 PM GMT
    Someone should make a list of countries that are homophobic & gay-intolerant & those that aren't.. Where's Metta or Riddler?.....
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    Jul 14, 2013 7:02 PM GMT
    I've been to Jamaica before and when you get there, the last thing you think about is a political agenda. Not once did I see a homophobic rant from the population but then again, I didn't see any PDA while there. Instead, what you'll see is one dump of an island. It's dirty and because tourism is their primary source of income, the salespeople are extremely aggressive, trying to get you to buy jewelry or braid your hair! icon_confused.gif

    I refuse to go back because of what I've experienced as a tourist.
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    Jul 14, 2013 7:02 PM GMT
    Bunjamon saidI would refrain from traveling to a place where I would feel unsafe if people knew that I was gay, or where I could be harassed/arrested/hurt for holding my boyfriend's hand or kissing him in public (or even sharing a hotel room with a single bed).

    That being said, I would really love to visit Russia, but places like Jamaica do nothing for me, since there are beautiful beaches all over the world and there's nothing inherently remarkable about Jamaica's beaches.

    I told a friend of mine that I wanted to travel to North Korea and to Myanmar and she scolded me for wanting to spend my money in a country that oppresses its people (though in Myanmar's case that's gradually changing). Money is powerful, and if Russia sees a steep decline in tourism because of their gay propaganda laws, I don't think it will take long before they repeal it.


    My ex was in Russia and really hated the place. He said he will never go back there. He found people quite unfriendly and also the atmosphere a bit creepy.
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    Jul 14, 2013 7:07 PM GMT
    charlitos saidWhats your take on this? Would you refuse to travel to places like Jamaica and Rusia where homophobia is still quite prevalent? In the end your tourist money is supporting a system that would put you in jail or hurt you for being gay. A system that causes a lot of pain to the local LGBTs.

    Is this the right approach or should we just ignore whats going on, go to these places anyways and try to get them exposed to the foreign gay community with the hopes that will eventually understand that gays are not a threat.


    I won't return to Jamaica for that reason.

  • Suetonius

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    Jul 14, 2013 7:12 PM GMT
    I would certainly never travel to Jamaica (notoriously homophobic) or go on a safari to Uganda (where they, with the help of american christian fundamentalits) want to kill all the gays. Countries like this (and a host of other african and mid-east countries) should be deprived of western tourist dollars. At least gay tourist dollars - we can't expect the straight community to care that much. As to Russia ( and other homophobic countries in eastern europe), that might possibly eventually be influenced by the presence of enlightened europe next door, I am not inclined to visit, but am aware of having to be totally in the closet should I venture there.
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    Jul 14, 2013 7:21 PM GMT
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    Erik101 saidI've been to Jamaica before and when you get there, the last thing you think about is a political agenda. Not once did I see a homophobic rant from the population but then again, I didn't see any PDA while there. Instead, what you'll see is one dump of an island. It's dirty and because tourism is their primary source of income, the salespeople are extremely aggressive, trying to get you to buy jewelry or braid your hair! icon_confused.gif

    I refuse to go back because of what I've experienced as a tourist.


    you have to understand. it's a third world country and is one of the poorest countries in the western hemisphere. it's NOT like america which has all the money in the world. don't be fooled by the stupid commercials which i have to say have some fucked up racial overtones if you ask me. they'll show the tourists which are almost all the time white, all chilling, having a good time, treating the occupants that live on the island like some damn butlers and then having the black people which are i guess supposed to be the residents of the island, all working, acting like slaves be happy go lucky for the tourists as if it's their job. i mean, the tourists are the ones GOING to someone elses spot acting like they own that shit or folks are supposed to kiss their ass when these people are residents just like how those tourists are residents of america and etc. it cracks me up to hear how americans hate foreigners, treat them all shitty and then want to go into another country expecting the country's residents to suck their dick because they're american. with that said, people LIVE in jamaica so if you're going to come off the plane thinking that the residents of the island are supposed to kiss your ass like how it shows in the commercials, you might want to cancel your plane ticket.

    people have a huge misconception about jamaica for the most part. some areas are nice, some areas are ghetto BUT it's like a poorer version of the states or england.
    Hardly a version of England, where the criminals don't use guns for the most part. I'd sooner go to Haiti, the absolute poorest country in the western hemisphere, where there is more of a live and let live attitude, than Jamaica, one of the most violent countries in the hemisphere, where armed robberies and killings are frequent. And certainly one of the most homophobic cultures in the hemisphere, where the homophobia continues to be actively fostered by religious leaders.
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    Jul 14, 2013 7:21 PM GMT
    I want to visit Russia next year. I just think it is too interesting a place to pass up visiting.
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    Jul 14, 2013 7:33 PM GMT

    OGsockpuppet, both sides of my family are Jamaican going back about 200 years.
    I'd love to take Bill there, but gays are not welcome there, or tolerated unless you stay in the hotel compounds.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_Jamaica
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    Jul 14, 2013 7:48 PM GMT
    OGsockpuppet said
    meninlove said
    OGsockpuppet, both sides of my family are Jamaican going back about 200 years.
    I'd love to take Bill there, but gays are not welcome there, or tolerated unless you stay in the hotel compounds.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_Jamaica


    you're jamaican?????? icon_eek.gif why didn't you say so? icon_sad.gif



    I'm part of the 'passing' corner of the family. icon_wink.gif
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    Jul 14, 2013 7:49 PM GMT
    I don't mind, i've found that some of the most homophobic places have some of the nicest people, just don't do gay stuff up in public and you'll be fine, homophobia doesn't mean the people are bad, like iran, i found irani people to be the nicest ever, just keep the kisses to the hotel room and car and it should be a pleasant trip

    And as a side note those homophobic places give much less thought to homosexuality then "accepting" places, not once did i see like the anti gay marches or talks of how gay people will burn in hell as i have in "gay friendly" places
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    Jul 14, 2013 8:00 PM GMT

    Why disappointed? Some of the black guys on here told me I was 'passing' and explained what it meant so I thought I'd use it.

    Is it wrong to do so?

    My family is from everywhere there, from St Anne's Bay through Fern Gully, Ocho Rios, Goshen, Kingston, New Kingston, Runaway Bay area. It's a long list, lol.

    I'm a mix of many races.
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    Jul 14, 2013 8:09 PM GMT
    STRAIGHT_DOLPHIN saidthe mainstream media(especially U.S) over-analyzed the countries which banned some things which are not ban in their own countries...it's not the people who started the law,it's the government. Just know that majority of humans are still nice wherever you go...unless you try to kiss someone's anus in public and yes,just because some culture don't accept homosexuality(it's a lifestyle and you and everyone knows it's not a gene) doesn't mean they will apply violent or verbal actions to you.


    Im not American, Im a Cuban-Canadian citizen. Both places completely different and with laws in place to protect the LGBT. No, it is not acceptable to just say: there are nice people in Jamaica therefore we should just ignore the reality that the LGBT faces in Jamaica. It is easy for us to take a neutral stance since we would travel to these places for a few weeks then go back to our countries where we feel safe. How about gay jamaicans? Just like there are nice people everywhere there are also gay people everywhere that not only have to deal with extreme poverty but also with a fucked up mindset towards who they are.

    Countries like Jamaica rely heavily on tourism so I do think it will make a difference if gays their friends/families simply boycott countries that discriminate against gays. If it is enough to damage their economy it will suffice to make them review their laws.

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    Jul 14, 2013 8:13 PM GMT
    I will never travel to Russia. Never. Which is a shame, because I would love to see the Ural Mountains.
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    Jul 14, 2013 8:15 PM GMT
    OGsockpuppet said
    meninlove said
    Why disappointed? Some of the black guys on here told me I was 'passing' and explained what it meant so I thought I'd use it.

    Is it wrong to do so?

    My family is from everywhere there, from St Anne's Bay through Fern Gully, Ocho Rios, Goshen, Kingston, New Kingston, Runaway Bay area. It's a long list, lol.

    I'm a mix of many races.


    passing? dunno what you mean by that.

    didn't know you was mixed but then again, who isn't. icon_lol.gif who knows, your family probably knows my family or somebody i know or we're probably distant cousins.


    Good grief!! YOU'RE Jamaican?!? (cool!)

    A weh ya baan?
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    Jul 14, 2013 8:20 PM GMT
    meninlove said
    I won't return to Jamaica for that reason.


    I've been going back and fourth since I was six..Was there a year and a half ago and will probably be there mid next year..
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    Jul 14, 2013 8:22 PM GMT
    OGsockpuppet said
    meninlove said
    OGsockpuppet said
    meninlove said
    Why disappointed? Some of the black guys on here told me I was 'passing' and explained what it meant so I thought I'd use it.

    Is it wrong to do so?

    My family is from everywhere there, from St Anne's Bay through Fern Gully, Ocho Rios, Goshen, Kingston, New Kingston, Runaway Bay area. It's a long list, lol.

    I'm a mix of many races.


    passing? dunno what you mean by that.

    didn't know you was mixed but then again, who isn't. icon_lol.gif who knows, your family probably knows my family or somebody i know or we're probably distant cousins.


    Good grief!! YOU'RE Jamaican?!? (cool!)

    A weh ya baan?


    didn't i say that already? icon_sad.gif well, honestly, my parents, grandparents, some of the aunts and the family tree is jamaican but i was born and raised in the states. the family tree done grew out of jamaica and ended up in america and england. icon_sad.gif

    and i can't speak patois. icon_cry.gif can't even write it. *runs out of thread*


    LOL, well you're in good company, because I'm part of the first generation born in Canada. I've been to Jamaica to see where much of my family lived (most have moved to Canada, the US and the UK)and where some still live in Ocho Rios and St Anne's and Kingston.
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    Jul 14, 2013 8:23 PM GMT
    Anocxu saidmeninlove said
    I won't return to Jamaica for that reason.


    I've been going back and fourth since I was six..Was there a year and a half ago and will probably be there mid next year..


    No problems?

    *intrigued*

    My cousins (twins) are there right now.
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    Jul 14, 2013 8:29 PM GMT
    I know a ton of gay men that go and have a fantastic time..

    Remember it NOT "When In Jamaica"

    It's "Where In Jamaica" icon_wink.gif
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    Jul 14, 2013 9:44 PM GMT
    The only positive thing about inferior homophobic countries is that they make you appreciate all the wealth you enjoy back home.
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    Jul 14, 2013 9:59 PM GMT
    Erik101 saidI've been to Jamaica before and when you get there, the last thing you think about is a political agenda. Not once did I see a homophobic rant from the population but then again, I didn't see any PDA while there. Instead, what you'll see is one dump of an island. It's dirty and because tourism is their primary source of income, the salespeople are extremely aggressive, trying to get you to buy jewelry or braid your hair! icon_confused.gif

    I refuse to go back because of what I've experienced as a tourist.


    I've been to the Bahamas as well, but they're like Jamaica lite from what I've been told so I had some good experiences there. Is homophobia rampant throughout the Carribean or is it just Jamaica?
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    Jul 14, 2013 10:57 PM GMT
    Even Russians hate Russia.

    Source: I work with a few Russians.

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