What Do You Think of Lateral Ellipticals?

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    Jul 15, 2013 3:17 AM GMT
    I was on one today.

    I think it's good to move laterally instead of just forward and backwards.

    The machine said it would help leg building.

    http://www.octanefitness.com/products/standing-ellipticals/lateralx/#photo:FhO1aBCeJa8BcNc9
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    Jul 15, 2013 4:49 AM GMT
    My hips ache just watching that. But, that movement reminds me of hockey skating... Hockey players have amazing glute development.


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  • FRE0

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    Jul 15, 2013 4:52 AM GMT
    I much prefer to get my aerobic exercise outside. Doing it indoors is so boring that it is difficult to continue.
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    Jul 15, 2013 5:12 AM GMT
    FRE0 saidI much prefer to get my aerobic exercise outside. Doing it indoors is so boring that it is difficult to continue.

    Ellipticals are boring (including the AMT) Treadmills, I have to focus on keeping my feet parallel and not fall off the thing.

    There just isn't enough sunscreen available to compel me to trip on the sidewalk and land on all fours again, skinning both knees and both palms.

    No thanks.
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    Jul 15, 2013 5:41 AM GMT
    Elliptical trainers are horrible. This type of cardio is the least effective for losing weight and its not even working your joints through a full range of motion. Easy to hyperextended the knees and the glutes dont fire like they should, due to the limited range of motion. This type of motion is easy to become quad dominant in. Which can lead to many injuries over time.

    They can claim it builds your legs but aerobic exercise does not build legs. That term itself is antagonistic to muscle building. Aerobics burns muscle off!

    Machine training is not the way to go ever!
    These machines are built by engineers not someone with a masters in biomechanics.

    Reason why machines are popular is cause of Vic Tanny. Founder of ballys total fitness. They saw that free weights , barbells , squat cages etc last too long and aren't profitable for selling because they are lifetime strong pieces of equipment. Whereas machines break, need new parts and maintenance. Very profitable.

    This is why we have machines in gyms. Nothing to do with health and all to do with profit.


    Whatever happened to squatting, lunging and dead lifting to build legs?
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    Jul 15, 2013 6:00 AM GMT
    I dunno. That machine looks like it's trying to be different for the sake of being different. After time, I can see how that thing can destroy your knees.
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    Jul 15, 2013 6:02 AM GMT
    real_masc saidElliptical trainers are horrible. This type of cardio is the least effective for losing weight and its not even working your joints through a full range of motion. Easy to hyperextended the knees and the glutes dont fire like they should, due to the limited range of motion. This type of motion is easy to become quad dominant in. Which can lead to many injuries over time.

    They can claim it builds your legs but aerobic exercise does not build legs. That term itself is antagonistic to muscle building. Aerobics burns muscle off!

    Machine training is not the way to go ever!
    These machines are built by engineers not someone with a masters in biomechanics.

    Reason why machines are popular is cause of Vic Tanny. Founder of ballys total fitness. They saw that free weights , barbells , squat cages etc last too long and aren't profitable for selling because they are lifetime strong pieces of equipment. Whereas machines break, need new parts and maintenance. Very profitable.

    This is why we have machines in gyms. Nothing to do with health and all to do with profit.


    Whatever happened to squatting, lunging and dead lifting to build legs?


    Of course there are many of us who neither need to nor want to lose weight.

    The first time I saw someone lunging across the floor, I though that she was practicing ecclesiastical calisthenics.
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    Jul 15, 2013 8:24 AM GMT
    FRE0 said
    real_masc saidElliptical trainers are horrible. This type of cardio is the least effective for losing weight and its not even working your joints through a full range of motion. Easy to hyperextended the knees and the glutes dont fire like they should, due to the limited range of motion. This type of motion is easy to become quad dominant in. Which can lead to many injuries over time.

    They can claim it builds your legs but aerobic exercise does not build legs. That term itself is antagonistic to muscle building. Aerobics burns muscle off!

    Machine training is not the way to go ever!
    These machines are built by engineers not someone with a masters in biomechanics.

    Reason why machines are popular is cause of Vic Tanny. Founder of ballys total fitness. They saw that free weights , barbells , squat cages etc last too long and aren't profitable for selling because they are lifetime strong pieces of equipment. Whereas machines break, need new parts and maintenance. Very profitable.

    This is why we have machines in gyms. Nothing to do with health and all to do with profit.


    Whatever happened to squatting, lunging and dead lifting to build legs?


    Of course there are many of us who neither need to nor want to lose weight.

    The first time I saw someone lunging across the floor, I though that she was practicing ecclesiastical calisthenics.


    And the first time I saw a gay man he was creepy and ugly, that's neither here nor there.
    A lunge is a primal movement pattern. When you go upstairs, walk up hill, etc you are lunging.

    This elliptical is not a functional movement pattern we use in our everyday lives.
    If the objective of going to the gym is to be healthy then why train on a machine that has no carry over into your everyday life??

    You're just feeding your nervous system crap information.
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    Jul 15, 2013 11:34 AM GMT
    It looks like this might take a toll on my knees, so am gonna stay far away from it.
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    Jul 15, 2013 8:39 PM GMT
    I use to inline skate and about a year into it I found my hips hurting like hell after a run. I went to an orthopedic specialist who told me that that particular motion wasn't helping the cartilage in and around my hips and in fact causing it to deteriorate. I stopped skating and within a few months I was fine. I think this elliptical might do the same thing over time (especially if you're older).
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    Jul 15, 2013 9:42 PM GMT
    It's just so easy to walk or jog outside. Lunges, squats, weighted walking...all so much more effective at building muscle and building cardiovascular endurance.
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    Jul 15, 2013 9:49 PM GMT
    I prefer Hyperbolic Parabolas
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    Jul 15, 2013 10:02 PM GMT
    I say get your cardio however you can. I'm sure this machine, gimmicky though it may be, will suit some people. It is unlikely to injure you, especially if used in combination with other machines or other forms of training.
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    Jul 15, 2013 11:20 PM GMT
    Cardio!?!?!

    ... I'd lose my gains :-0
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    Jul 16, 2013 3:13 AM GMT
    jayatl56 saidI use to inline skate and about a year into it I found my hips hurting like hell after a run. I went to an orthopedic specialist who told me that that particular motion wasn't helping the cartilage in and around my hips and in fact causing it to deteriorate. I stopped skating and within a few months I was fine. I think this elliptical might do the same thing over time (especially if you're older).


    Ah, yes. I was thinking the motion was similar to inline skating.

    I was also thinking ice hockey.

    In fact, one of the racquetball players at my gym last year was a former college ice hockey player. What he was able to do so well was lateral skipping. Sometimes you have to place yourself in front of your opponent. I had never seen anyone lateral skip so well.

    Do professional ice hockey players retire to bad hips?

    Maybe this machine is good for a short warm-up and not 16 minutes minimum. It opened some of the tightness across my hip area--kind of like when I'm away from tennis for 6 months and go back to it, I love when I get flexibility and strength back in unused hip muscles.
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    Jul 16, 2013 10:20 AM GMT
    The only machine that gives me results when there is bad weather outside is the stairmaster or brisk uphill walking on a treadmill. I had to stop using the elliptical due to sore knees and the weird range of movement.
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    Jul 16, 2013 2:31 PM GMT
    Everything in moderation.

    I like lateral ellipticals as an adjunct. After 30 minutes on the regular elliptical I do 5 on the lateral. On both, when I use proper form I have no knee or hip problems.

    Proper form = driving through your heels and standing up straight with arms off the handles but in motion

    Improper form = what everybody else does - hunched over resting arms on the bar when they're not pumping the arm handles and pushing through the balls of their feet


  • Jul 16, 2013 3:40 PM GMT
    StephenOABC saidI was on one today.

    I think it's good to move laterally instead of just forward and backwards.

    The machine said it would help leg building.

    http://www.octanefitness.com/products/standing-ellipticals/lateralx/#photo:FhO1aBCeJa8BcNc9


    Hi Stephen,

    Here that machine is made by Technogym and is called the Cardio Wave. As a former treadmill junkie who then moved over to the elliptical only to get burned out after a few years I like the Cardio Wave (lateral movement) for 'steady state' cardio. At first it bothered my knees, but I think it's because it took a few days to get used to the movement. Now, I use it after every workout for something different. As far as I can tell, I really like it for after lifting weights and before hitting the pool. If your intensity during weightlifting is high enough, I think as long as you are moving at a steady state (meaning you can hold a conversation while you're on the cardio machine) you're burning fat, and for 30 minutes, that's good enough. The days of 90 minute or 2 hours of suffering on the treadmill or elliptical are over; studies are coming out all the time that it's just a waste of time to spend that amount of time on them.
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    Jul 17, 2013 5:14 PM GMT
    toronto647 said
    StephenOABC saidI was on one today.

    I think it's good to move laterally instead of just forward and backwards.

    The machine said it would help leg building.

    http://www.octanefitness.com/products/standing-ellipticals/lateralx/#photo:FhO1aBCeJa8BcNc9


    Hi Stephen,

    Here that machine is made by Technogym and is called the Cardio Wave. As a former treadmill junkie who then moved over to the elliptical only to get burned out after a few years I like the Cardio Wave (lateral movement) for 'steady state' cardio. At first it bothered my knees, but I think it's because it took a few days to get used to the movement. Now, I use it after every workout for something different. As far as I can tell, I really like it for after lifting weights and before hitting the pool. If your intensity during weightlifting is high enough, I think as long as you are moving at a steady state (meaning you can hold a conversation while you're on the cardio machine) you're burning fat, and for 30 minutes, that's good enough. The days of 90 minute or 2 hours of suffering on the treadmill or elliptical are over; studies are coming out all the time that it's just a waste of time to spend that amount of time on them.


    Sorry to burst your bubble but the "fat burning zone" is a myth !!
    According to the national academy of sports medicine and other institutions, there's no such thing as a fat burning zone. That's just on a machine for marketing. You actually burn fat when at a resting heart rate. It's called EPOC = excess post exercise oxygen consumption. Look it up. Cardio/ aerobic is good for weight loss but not fat loss. You will actually lose muscle weight and start storing fat when doing 30 mins on up of cardio due to the stress put on the adrenal glands.
    Want to lose weight do circuits and intervals.
    Steady heart rate= fat store

    Kiss
  • madsexy

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    Jul 17, 2013 5:28 PM GMT
    I'll say this: LOVE IT at the gym! No hip, knee or otherwise problems (and observe the form considerations, like with all exercise). So much more beneficial than straight elliptical.
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    Jul 18, 2013 2:28 AM GMT
    real_masc

    Cardio/ aerobic is good for weight loss but not fat loss. You will actually lose muscle weight and start storing fat when doing 30 mins on up of cardio due to the stress put on the adrenal glands.

    Kiss


    StephenOABC

    Thanks for the kiss. (You smell good and look...mahvelous.)

    What about long distance runners (marathon runners)?
    What about long distance cyclists (Tour de France)?
    What about long distance walkers (some people take a 50 minute walk home--when I lived in Manhattan, I loved walking up 5th Ave. or Park; or, on a Saturday, people just take long walks in Central Park)?

    Yes, the marathon runners have less muscle mass than bodybuilders...
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    Jul 18, 2013 2:32 AM GMT
    real_masc said
    toronto647 said
    StephenOABC saidI was on one today.

    I think it's good to move laterally instead of just forward and backwards.

    The machine said it would help leg building.

    http://www.octanefitness.com/products/standing-ellipticals/lateralx/#photo:FhO1aBCeJa8BcNc9


    Hi Stephen,

    Here that machine is made by Technogym and is called the Cardio Wave. As a former treadmill junkie who then moved over to the elliptical only to get burned out after a few years I like the Cardio Wave (lateral movement) for 'steady state' cardio. At first it bothered my knees, but I think it's because it took a few days to get used to the movement. Now, I use it after every workout for something different. As far as I can tell, I really like it for after lifting weights and before hitting the pool. If your intensity during weightlifting is high enough, I think as long as you are moving at a steady state (meaning you can hold a conversation while you're on the cardio machine) you're burning fat, and for 30 minutes, that's good enough. The days of 90 minute or 2 hours of suffering on the treadmill or elliptical are over; studies are coming out all the time that it's just a waste of time to spend that amount of time on them.


    Sorry to burst your bubble but the "fat burning zone" is a myth !!
    According to the national academy of sports medicine and other institutions, there's no such thing as a fat burning zone. That's just on a machine for marketing. You actually burn fat when at a resting heart rate. It's called EPOC = excess post exercise oxygen consumption. Look it up. Cardio/ aerobic is good for weight loss but not fat loss. You will actually lose muscle weight and start storing fat when doing 30 mins on up of cardio due to the stress put on the adrenal glands.
    Want to lose weight do circuits and intervals.
    Steady heart rate= fat store

    Kiss


    Hi realmasc,

    Everyone should read your profile and view your pictures.

    I'm going to send you a RJ message and tell you why I think so.

    Kiss you back,
    Steve
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    Jul 21, 2013 6:29 PM GMT
    I think it helps the groin muscles a little bit and the muscles on the side of the hips.

    Today when I was on it, I noticed that the settings go from 1 to 10 in width. 1 is like a regular elliptical.