Does it bother you when non gay actors play gay roles?

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    Jul 15, 2013 11:46 AM GMT
    I get a lot of flack for this opinion but it is almost like blackface to me. I feel like if you're going to have a gay character why not just actively try to cast gay people? Sure some people say it doesn't matter but it kind of does to me. I know it's just acting but it's almost like casting an Asian person as a Hispanic and then telling them just to fake the accent the best they could. It's odd and to me it's kind of offensive. I especially have a hard time dealing with it when the actors in question are playing the most stereotypical depiction of a gay man there is.

    And has anyone noticed that on the few mainstream depictions we get of gay couples not one has been portrayed by both actors who were gay? That annoys me. Like I tried to watch the original Queer As Folk and what bothers me is that none of the people actually playing those gay characters were actually gay. It may seem trivial to a lot of people but to me I think 'you know there's a lot of talented actual homosexual actors who could of played those parts'.

    And what I find is that when you have mostly straight actors playing gay characters they try to get away with having the characters actually be characters not just archetypes or stereotypes. Of course there are a few exceptions like the straight guy who plays the gay guy on Happy Endings or the one on The Office but it still just feels weird to me.

    Doe anyone else know where I'm coming from?
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    Jul 15, 2013 11:53 AM GMT
    It doesn't bother me just like I have no qualms about gay actors playing hetero. Neil Patrick Harris is an example.
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    Jul 15, 2013 11:58 AM GMT
    Erik101 saidIt doesn't bother me just like I have no qualms about gay actors playing hetero. Neil Patrick Harris is an example


    That kind of bothers me too. But it doesn't bother me as much because for a lot of actors it's a necessity. If they never played straight they'd never work. But if you're a straight actor you don't have to play gay. But then it also comes down to the people who actually cast these things.
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    Jul 15, 2013 12:00 PM GMT
    Nope, not a problem. You clearly haven't seen Emun Elliot in Threesome icon_biggrin.gif
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    Jul 15, 2013 12:01 PM GMT
    There are worse things to be bothered about.
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    Jul 15, 2013 12:14 PM GMT
    whitedarwin saidThere are worse things to be bothered about.


    Sure but still it bothers me. Like on a show like Glee where there are a lot of gay characters the only ones played by actual gay people is the fat black guy and the bitchy femmy one. They couldn't of found actual gay actors for all those roles? It says something else to me. The roles played by the straight actors are typically traditionally masculine characters who are gay but played by straight men. But the femmy and trans characters? They got actual gay men. You don't see where I am coming from here?
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    Jul 15, 2013 12:16 PM GMT
    It bothers me a little bit when straight men play over the top queens. That feels like blackface to me....like Cam on "Modern Family". But the actor that plays Mitchell is gay and producers probably wanted straight audiences to feel less creeped out so they cast one of the members of a couple with a straight guy.

    Otherwise actors are actors and should be able to play any role.

    The did the same thing in Will and Grace. In real life, Eric McCormack is straight and Sean Hayes is gay.

    Having straights play gays helps break down middle America's perception of gays as something to be afraid of. If someone they respect is playing a gay role, they can respect the gay person a little bit more each time.
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    Jul 15, 2013 12:16 PM GMT
    EuphoricDanger said
    whitedarwin saidThere are worse things to be bothered about.


    Sure but still it bothers me. Like on a show like Glee where there are a lot of gay characters the only ones played by actual gay people is the fat black guy and the bitchy femmy one. They couldn't of found actual gay actors for all those roles? It says something else to me. The roles played by the straight actors are typically traditionally masculine characters who are gay but played by straight men. But the femmy and trans characters? They got actual gay men. You don't see where I am coming from here?


    No. I don't watch Glee so I have no idea. I agree though that gay stereotyping is bothersome.
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    Jul 15, 2013 12:22 PM GMT
    helloandgoodbi saidIt bothers me a little bit when straight men play over the top queens. That feels like blackface to me....like Cam on "Modern Family". But the actor that plays Mitchell is gay and producers probably wanted straight audiences to feel less creeped out so they cast one of the members of a couple with a straight guy.

    Otherwise actors are actors and should be able to play any role.

    The did the same thing in Will and Grace. In real life, Eric McCormack is straight and Sean Hayes is gay.

    Having straights play gays helps break down middle America's perception of gays as something to be afraid of. If someone they respect is playing a gay role, they can respect the gay person a little bit more each time.


    But it says something when you cast a straight guy as the 'just like you' gay and the gay person as the 'traditional gay'. That's part of what I'm saying.
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    Jul 15, 2013 12:23 PM GMT
    whitedarwin saidThere are worse things to be bothered about.


    Exactly !! icon_biggrin.gif
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    Jul 15, 2013 12:35 PM GMT
    EuphoricDanger said
    helloandgoodbi saidIt bothers me a little bit when straight men play over the top queens. That feels like blackface to me....like Cam on "Modern Family". But the actor that plays Mitchell is gay and producers probably wanted straight audiences to feel less creeped out so they cast one of the members of a couple with a straight guy.



    But it says something when you cast a straight guy as the 'just like you' gay and the gay person as the 'traditional gay'. That's part of what I'm saying.


    I agree. but then it helps people see gays as "just like me".

    BTW...In the case of Modern Family the "queenier" partner is played by the straight actor. Does that make you feel better?
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    Jul 15, 2013 12:38 PM GMT
    helloandgoodbi said
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    helloandgoodbi saidIt bothers me a little bit when straight men play over the top queens. That feels like blackface to me....like Cam on "Modern Family". But the actor that plays Mitchell is gay and producers probably wanted straight audiences to feel less creeped out so they cast one of the members of a couple with a straight guy.



    But it says something when you cast a straight guy as the 'just like you' gay and the gay person as the 'traditional gay'. That's part of what I'm saying.


    I agree. but then it helps people see gays as "just like me".

    BTW...In the case of Modern Family the "queenier" partner is played by the straight actor. Does that make you feel better?


    I already said that bothers me too.

    My thing is why can't gay people play the less stereotypically gay parts and then let people have that whole revelation? Because it sends out the message that the only actual gay guys are the stereotypical flaming queens.
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    Jul 15, 2013 12:43 PM GMT
    well consider this too...

    British actor Rupert Everett has once again advised gay actors trying to make it big in Hollywood to stay in the closet.

    http://news.moviefone.com/2009/12/03/discuss-should-gay-actors-stay-in-the-closet/
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    Jul 15, 2013 12:48 PM GMT
    helloandgoodbi saidwell consider this too...

    British actor Rupert Everett has once again advised gay actors trying to make it big in Hollywood to stay in the closet.

    http://news.moviefone.com/2009/12/03/discuss-should-gay-actors-stay-in-the-closet/


    I take what that gay has to say as about as seriously as Mel Gibson trying to inform me on the proper way to observe Passover. Is Rupert the same guy who said he was against gay adoption? He seems to a self hating gay guy. I think more and more and more gay actors and actresses should come out of the closet. I mean I find it funny coming from musical theater where every other guy was gay and then you transition into TV and film and suddenly everyone is 'straight'.

    For myself whenever I try to cast anything I always try to make sure the character fits the person as much as possible. In college I had to do a skit for one of my theater classes and the character I originally wrote was white but the actress was middle eastern so I changed it because I believe in authenticity. I've dealt with looking for gay actors to fill parts for gay roles and I've had problems but after searching hard enough I eventually found them. And the project had more of an effect, at least to me, because of it.
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    Jul 15, 2013 12:55 PM GMT
    Just for clarification, on QAF the characters of Emmett (Peter Paige), Justin (Randy Harrison) and Ben (Robert Gant) are all openly gay.
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    Jul 15, 2013 12:56 PM GMT
    flguy57 saidJust for clarification, on QAF the characters of Emmett (Peter Paige), Justin (Randy Harrison) and Ben (Robert Gant) are all openly gay.


    The British one not the American version.

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    Jul 15, 2013 1:13 PM GMT
    I encourage it. The more straight actors that play gay roles the better.
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    Jul 15, 2013 1:14 PM GMT
    EuphoricDanger said
    flguy57 saidJust for clarification, on QAF the characters of Emmett (Peter Paige), Justin (Randy Harrison) and Ben (Robert Gant) are all openly gay.


    The British one not the American version.



    Those actors are part of the American version.
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    Jul 15, 2013 1:17 PM GMT
    Hillie said
    EuphoricDanger said
    flguy57 saidJust for clarification, on QAF the characters of Emmett (Peter Paige), Justin (Randy Harrison) and Ben (Robert Gant) are all openly gay.


    The British one not the American version.



    Those actors are part of the American version.


    I know. I was originally talking about the British version. That's why I said the original one.
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    Jul 15, 2013 1:17 PM GMT
    Hillie saidI encourage it. The more straight actors that play gay roles the better.


    So then I guess you have no problem with ethnicities other than black pretending to be black then?
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    Jul 15, 2013 1:20 PM GMT
    Are you kidding me? Have you any idea how many gay actors have played in straight roles? They're called actors for a reason. icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Jul 15, 2013 1:22 PM GMT
    Scruffypup saidAre you kidding me? Have you any idea how many gay actors have played in straight roles? They're called actors for a reason. icon_rolleyes.gif


    It's different in that case because most times they have no choice but to play straight characters otherwise they wouldn't be working. But to me it annoys me when they cast a gay character with a straight actor and the time they actually do use the gay actor to play a gay character they are playing the stereotype.

    And then you get the cases where you have the gay character who is pretty much a stereotype played by the straight guy which is just down right offensive to me.
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    Jul 15, 2013 1:38 PM GMT
    There's a reason they call it "acting."
    Of course, if anyone does a bad job imitating another type of person, I chalk it up to bad acting, not stereotyping.
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    Jul 15, 2013 1:43 PM GMT
    JohnSpotter saidThere's a reason they call it "acting."
    Of course, if anyone does a bad job imitating another type of person, I chalk it up to bad acting, not stereotyping.


    *sigh* No one else seems to get my point.
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    Jul 15, 2013 1:54 PM GMT
    I'd chalk it up to the casting directors simply believing that that particular actor was better for a role.

    My sister is a casting associate for a number of independent films and not once on a resume have I seen an actor identify themselves as gay or straight. In fact, I'd be more insulted if you gave a job to someone because he was gay. Do his other qualities not matter? Are characters, people, defined by their sexuality?