Zimmerman lawyer to move ‘asap’ against NBC News

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    Jul 15, 2013 12:16 PM GMT
    As he should.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/erik-wemple/wp/2013/07/14/zimmerman-lawyer-to-move-asap-against-nbc-news/
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    Jul 15, 2013 1:57 PM GMT
    Yep. Glad to see this.
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    Jul 15, 2013 5:21 PM GMT
    I don't really agree or disagree with the outrage over the verdict (likely stoked in part by media); people have a right to develop/adopt an opinion. But I saw a picture of the protests in Times Square and one question I pondered was how many of those protestors have made (or would make) an effort to avoid jury duty if called.

    Obama actually put it quite well in his statement about the trial: "And in the wake of the verdict, I know those passions may be running even higher. But we are a nation of laws, and a jury has spoken." (in context)

    The jury, an integral part of the American rule of law, arrived at their verdict. The underlying foundation of the public's outrage over the verdict, however justified, must eventually cross swords with the respect for the rule of law. Jury selection followed a normal procedure.

    Regardless of how Obama actually feels, regard for rule of law prevailed. Referring back to my question, I wonder how many of those who are passionate enough about delivering justice to take to the streets have made or would make an effort to get out of jury duty.

    Here's a picture of Times Square (not the best picture, but you get the idea): 1003084_10151709508129029_206088285_n.jp
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    Jul 15, 2013 6:31 PM GMT
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    Good points (I removed them because it was a rather lengthy post). Though I don't see what they have to do with the topic of Zimmerman going after NBC "News" for their smear and slander campaign against him.
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    Jul 15, 2013 6:43 PM GMT
    As for the case against NBC, bias lends itself more to interpretation, but context strikes me as having an inherently factual understanding.

    Zimmerman's original description of the situation to the dispatcher did not mention race (regardless of whether the call was racially motivated). The dispatcher then asked "OK, and this guy — is he black, white or Hispanic? Zimmerman: He looks black." NBC presented his response as a fluid extension of his original description. The dispatcher gave Zimmerman a set of three potential answers to choose from. In my mind, the fact that the question itself limited the possible responses is a major part of the context of the answer.

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    maxferguson saidAs for the case against NBC, bias lends itself more to interpretation, but context strikes me as having an inherently factual understanding.

    Zimmerman's original description of the situation to the dispatcher did not mention race (regardless of whether the call was racially motivated). The dispatcher then asked "OK, and this guy — is he black, white or Hispanic? Zimmerman: He looks black." NBC presented his response as a fluid extension of his original description. The dispatcher gave Zimmerman a set of three potential answers to choose from. In my mind, the fact that the question itself limited the possible responses is a major part of the context of the answer.



    Are you familiar with the editing NBC did?
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    maxferguson saidAs for the case against NBC, bias lends itself more to interpretation, but context strikes me as having an inherently factual understanding.

    Zimmerman's original description of the situation to the dispatcher did not mention race (regardless of whether the call was racially motivated). The dispatcher then asked "OK, and this guy — is he black, white or Hispanic? Zimmerman: He looks black." NBC presented his response as a fluid extension of his original description. The dispatcher gave Zimmerman a set of three potential answers to choose from. In my mind, the fact that the question itself limited the possible responses is a major part of the context of the answer.



    But here's how they edited the tape:

    Here’s how NBC News, in a March 27, 2012, broadcast of the “Today” show, abridged the tape of Zimmerman’s comments to a police dispatcher on the evening of Feb. 26, 2012:

    Zimmerman: This guy looks like he’s up to no good. He looks black.

    The full tape went like this:

    Zimmerman: This guy looks like he’s up to no good. Or he’s on drugs or something. It’s raining and he’s just walking around, looking about. Dispatcher: OK, and this guy — is he black, white or Hispanic?

    Zimmerman: He looks black.


    Unless NBC was entirely clueless and incompetent they understood that this was an issue that some were using to further race divisions. The edit as presented in this way was simply journalistic malpractice or something worse.
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    Jul 15, 2013 7:03 PM GMT
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    maxferguson said...


    Good points (I removed them because it was a rather lengthy post). Though I don't see what they have to do with the topic of Zimmerman going after NBC "News" for their smear and slander campaign against him.


    Lol, I was re-editing it and decided to make it a separate post instead. Apparently RJ posted my incomplete edit (above). In this case the media influenced the public's perception of Zimmerman before the trial in such a way that it was highly speculated that he would be guilty. Clearly, after the verdict, the public still thinks that way.

    In my mind, the fact that the question limited the possible responses is a major part of the context of the answer and subsequently, society's doubt over the ruling.

    A court has acquitted him, but society (in a very passionate way) has not. Circling back to my 1st post, people will take the streets over perceived (potential?) injustices, but will fake their own death to avoid sitting in a courtroom to deliver it themselves. Media shenanigins like 911 edits are what's inbetween.
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    "Circling back to my 1st post, people will take the streets over perceived (potential?) injustices, but will fake their own death to avoid sitting in a courtroom to deliver it themselves."

    So then, how many people in those crowds do you figure or estimate have done what you just suggested?

    The issue is about a lot more than race. If both had been of the same race there would have also been outrage, however race being the hot button issue that it is, has made the reaction much more intense.


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    "Circling back to my 1st post, people will take the streets over perceived (potential?) injustices, but will fake their own death to avoid sitting in a courtroom to deliver it themselves."

    So then, how many people in those crowds do you figure or estimate have done what you just suggested?

    The issue is about a lot more than race. If both had been of the same race there would have also been outrage, however race being the hot button issue that it is, has made the reaction much more intense.




    As Kolonel Deco often proclaims when non-U.S. citizens stick their uninformed noses in U.S. affairs: STFU mensinlove.

    There would NOT "have also been outrage" if they were the same race. Chicago averages at least 5 black on black murders each weekend and there's nary an eyebrow lifted.

    Now, back to the topic:

    I sincerely hope NBC "News" is sued into oblivion by Zimmerman's lawyers.
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    Erm, Southbeach,as you taste that foot you just put in your mouth, you might reflect that you have just told Riddler and Max to STFU , as they are also Canadian. icon_lol.gif

    In fact, you have jumped into a conversation among Canadians. icon_lol.gif
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    Jul 15, 2013 8:28 PM GMT
    meninlove said
    Erm, Southbeach,as you taste that foot you just put in your mouth, you might reflect that you have just told Riddler and Max to STFU , as they are also Canadian. icon_lol.gif

    In fact, you have jumped into a conversation among Canadians. icon_lol.gif


    Oh nope, I took it to mean that he believed that uninformed non-Americans should STFU so I believe Max and I are fine. icon_wink.gif
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    Jul 15, 2013 8:36 PM GMT
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    meninlove said
    Erm, Southbeach,as you taste that foot you just put in your mouth, you might reflect that you have just told Riddler and Max to STFU , as they are also Canadian. icon_lol.gif

    In fact, you have jumped into a conversation among Canadians. icon_lol.gif


    Oh nope, I took it to mean that he believed that uninformed non-Americans should STFU so I believe Max and I are fine. icon_wink.gif


    Sorry kid, he made no such distinction.

    ...but that's OK, if you think of yourself and Max as superior people and brag about it, then that really says a lot about you. Interesting that you must speak for Max (who I like).
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    Erm, Southbeach,as you taste that foot you just put in your mouth, you might reflect that you have just told Riddler and Max to STFU , as they are also Canadian. icon_lol.gif

    In fact, you have jumped into a conversation among Canadians. icon_lol.gif


    Uh, no Tweedle Dee and Tweedle Dum. I was referring to non-U.S. citizens with uninformed noses, which applies only to the two of you (so far) on this topic.

    Of course, if that Twit Brit who is obsessed with all things U.S. politics shows up, then you two will have some company.
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    Jul 15, 2013 9:09 PM GMT
    meninlove said
    riddler78 said
    meninlove said
    Erm, Southbeach,as you taste that foot you just put in your mouth, you might reflect that you have just told Riddler and Max to STFU , as they are also Canadian. icon_lol.gif

    In fact, you have jumped into a conversation among Canadians. icon_lol.gif


    Oh nope, I took it to mean that he believed that uninformed non-Americans should STFU so I believe Max and I are fine. icon_wink.gif


    Sorry kid, he made no such distinction.

    ...but that's OK, if you think of yourself and Max as superior people and brag about it, then that really says a lot about you. Interesting that you must speak for Max (who I like).


    I wasn't speaking for Max - who I also like. I simply differentiated us from you.

    And yes, I hate to point out that he did differentiate - "As Kolonel Deco often proclaims when non-U.S. citizens stick their uninformed noses in U.S. affairs: STFU mensinlove." The "uninformed" references "non-US citizens" and not to informed non-US citizens. icon_wink.gif
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    Jul 15, 2013 9:11 PM GMT
    riddler78 said
    meninlove said
    riddler78 said
    meninlove said
    Erm, Southbeach,as you taste that foot you just put in your mouth, you might reflect that you have just told Riddler and Max to STFU , as they are also Canadian. icon_lol.gif

    In fact, you have jumped into a conversation among Canadians. icon_lol.gif


    Oh nope, I took it to mean that he believed that uninformed non-Americans should STFU so I believe Max and I are fine. icon_wink.gif


    Sorry kid, he made no such distinction.

    ...but that's OK, if you think of yourself and Max as superior people and brag about it, then that really says a lot about you. Interesting that you must speak for Max (who I like).


    I wasn't speaking for Max - who I also like. I simply differentiated us from you.

    And yes, I hate to point out that he did differentiate - "As Kolonel Deco often proclaims when non-U.S. citizens stick their uninformed noses in U.S. affairs: STFU mensinlove." The "uninformed" references "non-US citizens" and not to informed non-US citizens. icon_wink.gif


    The "meninlove" are two addled-brained busybodies. To expect reading comprehension of an even rudimentary level from those two is asking far too much.
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    *Notes with irony that Max, along with us, get along with Art Deco, which makes Riddler sound rather foolish*
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    Jul 15, 2013 9:52 PM GMT
    southbeach1502 said
    riddler78 said
    meninlove said
    riddler78 said
    meninlove said
    Erm, Southbeach,as you taste that foot you just put in your mouth, you might reflect that you have just told Riddler and Max to STFU , as they are also Canadian. icon_lol.gif

    In fact, you have jumped into a conversation among Canadians. icon_lol.gif


    Oh nope, I took it to mean that he believed that uninformed non-Americans should STFU so I believe Max and I are fine. icon_wink.gif


    Sorry kid, he made no such distinction.

    ...but that's OK, if you think of yourself and Max as superior people and brag about it, then that really says a lot about you. Interesting that you must speak for Max (who I like).


    I wasn't speaking for Max - who I also like. I simply differentiated us from you.

    And yes, I hate to point out that he did differentiate - "As Kolonel Deco often proclaims when non-U.S. citizens stick their uninformed noses in U.S. affairs: STFU mensinlove." The "uninformed" references "non-US citizens" and not to informed non-US citizens. icon_wink.gif


    The "meninlove" are two addled-brained busybodies. To expect reading comprehension of an even rudimentary level from those two is asking far too much.


    Heh - true. It's kind of funny watching him/them flail though.
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    Actually, all I have to do is post anything and massive flailing comes from you Riddler and SB. It's entirely amusing to a great many here.

    There is such a hyper hysterical wave of insults and attempts to discredit me from you two that it's obvious I'm getting your goats. icon_biggrin.gif

    ...and I've successfully derailed your thread. You might find it easier to consider what I have to say.
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    Jul 15, 2013 10:46 PM GMT
    Sharpton saidIf they edited the tape then clearly that was a tasteless thing to do.


    Google: NBC edited zimmerman 911 call

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    Sharpton saidIf they edited the tape then clearly that was a tasteless thing to do.


    Google: NBC edited zimmerman 911 call



    It is kind of surprising how many people still buy into the idea that there was racism involved. Then again, maybe that's why the trust in journalists continues to decline to all time lows.
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    But their rage isn't really justified. It's based on assumptions and poor media exploitation. These people don't care about facts, they just have a target. Nevermind that Zimmerman identifies as Peruvian, this is white people getting away with something a black person wouldn't. Oh and let's also disregard the fact that the images of Trayvon Martin plastered all over the news are of him AT AGE 12!! For some reason its incredibly hard to find any information about him or even pictures of him any older than that. We know his mother made him go live with his father because he was acting out. His facebook is gone, and the media is free to paint any picture they want.
    Also since when is ANY 17 year old a "defenseless child"? This is the country where middle-schoolers attempt school shootings and kids beat each other to death at fast-food joints. Skip ahead to highschool age and let's consider how defenseless he was.
    I'm not saying Zimmerman isnt guilty of killing him, and I'm not claiming to know what happened, but what I do know is that we don't have hardly any clear facts.

    This:
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    is somehow this:
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    AeroNalex saidBut their rage isn't really justified. It's based on assumptions and poor media exploitation. These people don't care about facts, they just have a target. Nevermind that Zimmerman identifies as Peruvian, this is white people getting away with something a black person wouldn't. Oh and let's also disregard the fact that the images of Trayvon Martin plastered all over the news are of him AT AGE 12!! For some reason its incredibly hard to find any information about him or even pictures of him any older than that. We know his mother made him go live with his father because he was acting out. His facebook is gone, and the media is free to paint any picture they want.
    Also since when is ANY 17 year old a "defenseless child"? This is the country where middle-schoolers attempt school shootings and kids beat each other to death at fast-food joints. Skip ahead to highschool age and let's consider how defenseless he was.
    I'm not saying Zimmerman isnt guilty of killing him, and I'm not claiming to know what happened, but what I do know is that we don't have hardly any clear facts.

    This:
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    is somehow this:
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    I think there are quite a few clear facts at this point. There are a number of unclear ones - which suggest in the very least that the charges should have never been brought in the first place.
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    AeroNalex saidBut their rage isn't really justified. It's based on assumptions and poor media exploitation. These people don't care about facts, they just have a target. Nevermind that Zimmerman identifies as Peruvian, this is white people getting away with something a black person wouldn't. Oh and let's also disregard the fact that the images of Trayvon Martin plastered all over the news are of him AT AGE 12!! For some reason its incredibly hard to find any information about him or even pictures of him any older than that. We know his mother made him go live with his father because he was acting out. His facebook is gone, and the media is free to paint any picture they want.
    Also since when is ANY 17 year old a "defenseless child"? This is the country where middle-schoolers attempt school shootings and kids beat each other to death at fast-food joints. Skip ahead to highschool age and let's consider how defenseless he was.

    This:
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    is somehow this:
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    You were going great until:

    I'm not saying Zimmerman isnt guilty of killing him, and I'm not claiming to know what happened, but what I do know is that we don't have hardly any clear facts.


    Plenty of clear facts out there.
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    Jul 16, 2013 2:19 AM GMT
    "will constitute substantial evidence that the destruction of his reputation is the result of his own criminal conduct"

    WOW NBC actually said this? well then, im glad a not guilty verdict was reached, there are people in this world (they know who they are) that thrive on ruining peoples reputations through defaming them, I think Michael Jackson warned of this before he was bumped off as he was "tired of the manipulation" and said too much about it