Iran celebrates Obama win. They send their congratulations.

  • MikemikeMike

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    Nov 07, 2008 11:55 PM GMT
    Obama, our president elect, looked tired and overwhelmed at his first press conference. Iran promises they will go forth with their nuclear weapons plan. They will no longer fear us. Obama wants to reason with them. Biden must be shitting a brick. The UN won't care. God help us! These 2 can"t!! As for his economic plans "we need change we need change". That is all that will be left in your pockets to spend is change. Enjoy it.
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    Nov 08, 2008 2:05 AM GMT
    As if Iran has anything to do with any of this...

    Do you have any better ideas???icon_idea.gif
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    Nov 08, 2008 2:11 AM GMT
    Dang. And George Bush had 'em quaking in their burkas.
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    Nov 08, 2008 2:23 AM GMT
    I'm going to laugh rather hard when the Obama administration solves this problem with Iran by talking, instead of following McCains idea of "bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran" and getting us involved in another war.
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    Nov 08, 2008 2:24 AM GMT
    Iran would have continued their progress if we had not declared them members of the "Axis of Evil."

    Prime Minister Khatami would have considered Iran's peaceful movement into partnership in the Middle East, but we alienated him. Iran is a complex situation, and we should absolutely engage with them. I have friends from Iran and they are more progressive and thoughtful than a lot of Americans I know.

    Here's hoping USA and Iran will be friends very soon.
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    Nov 08, 2008 2:26 AM GMT
    GwgTrunks saidI'm going to laugh rather hard when the Obama administration solves this problem with Iran by talking, instead of following McCains idea of "bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran" and getting us involved in another war.


    Hear here!! They WANT peace! They don't want attacked.

    Dr. Omid Safi came to my school recently to talk about all these issues and he said, "just stop interfering. They want peace. Let them have it. Don't just call them the enemy!"
  • SkyMiles

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    Nov 08, 2008 2:26 AM GMT
    Never fear! Bush has like 74 days to wrap it up. I have no doubt he's up to the task. No problem. It's a done deal.

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    Nov 08, 2008 2:36 AM GMT
    Wow. It seems some people can't even wait for his inauguration before telling us about what a bad job he hasn't done yet.

    I also can't wait for a different reason. As far as I'm concerned Bush can't leave fast enough. They have a sign up sheet for volunteers to help Bush pack his shit and get the fuck out...I signed up for the 10-3 shift.
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    Nov 08, 2008 2:46 AM GMT
    I cannot believe you feel that way. Iran wants nothing but for Americans to die! They sponsor terrorism and have been doing that for many years1 they expect Obama will let them do whatever they want, we should be afraid, very afraid! Obama and his allies that want to kill us will destroy our country’s security to a low level never seen before.

    Oh ya, I guess you hate being Gay and hate gay people. According to Iran’s leader,” Iran has no gay people”. He made that statement the First time he visited the US
    Do you have any idea what they will do to you if you are gay and live in Iran??????


    MikemikeMike saidObama, our president elect, looked tired and overwhelmed at his first press conference. Iran promises they will go forth with their nuclear weapons plan. They will no longer fear us. Obama wants to reason with them. Biden must be shitting a brick. The UN won't care. God help us! These 2 can"t!! As for his economic plans "we need change we need change". That is all that will be left in your pockets to spend is change. Enjoy it.


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    Nov 08, 2008 2:48 AM GMT
    So, what? Go to war with them too? Why not try to negotiate? After all the wars are over (won or lost), everyone sits down and negotiates anyway.

    And you rag on Obama already about the economy? He is not even in office. What was W going to do for you? What would he have done say, if he was in office for a few more years, where is and what would be his plan?

    The voters (Independents) listened to McCain and Obama on the economy and chose Obama..and are you an expert in telling the future? Are you writing a masters thesis on the economy and an expert at predicting what will happen?

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    Nov 08, 2008 2:49 AM GMT
    Thats nice the people in Iran have no news of their own so they just jump in on other peoples news.
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    Nov 08, 2008 2:51 AM GMT

    I am going to cry when Obama's weak policies gets Americans killed by Iran's warm gestures of terrorism is allowed to spread around the world. Do you know what Iran’s leader implied when he said’ there are no gay people in Iran.’ That is because gay people are persecuted in Iran. You think more gay bashing is a good idea for peace? Do not believe me, research what Iran thinks of anyone who is gay or Bi. I cannot believe how blind people are in this forum!icon_sad.gif

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    GwgTrunks saidI'm going to laugh rather hard when the Obama administration solves this problem with Iran by talking, instead of following McCains idea of "bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran" and getting us involved in another war.
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    Nov 08, 2008 2:53 AM GMT
    I feel that way because of facts. They are tricky things! And also because I know a lot of Iranians.

    Here is what Khatami suggested in order for our civilizations to better understand each other:

    "Following earlier works by renowned philosopher Dariush Shayegan, President Khatami introduced the theory of Dialogue Among Civilizations as a response to Huntington's theory of Clash of Civilizations. After introducing the concept of his theory in several international societies (most importantly the U.N.) the theory gained a lot of international support. Consequently the United Nations proclaimed the year 2001 as the United Nations' Year of Dialogue Among Civilizations, as per Khatami's suggestion [7] [8]. Pleading for the moralization of politics, Khatami argued that “The political translation of dialogue among civilizations would consist in arguing that culture, morality and art must prevail on politics.” Khatami has become an international personality, and he has gained much fame among intellectuals all over the world.

    Khatami’s dialogue of civilisations, challenging Samuel Huntington’s The Clash of Civilisations and the Remaking of World Order (Huntington, 199icon_cool.gif, is not just a domestic plea but a worldwide invitation. In 1998, Khatami addressed an international audience at the United Nations General Assembly in New York to delineate his main arguments (Khatami, 2001c, pp. 11–22) and the UN declared the year 2001 as the Year of Dialogue Among Civilisations. His proposal for such a dialogue is an inclusive concept that reaches beyond Iranian/non-Iranian, Muslim/non-Muslim dichotomies. It is an appeal to all humanity in the midst of growing violence and conflict worldwide, ultimately aiming at the betterment of human life. The dialogue of civilisations has several goals: laying the ground for peaceful, constructive debate among nations; providing a context in which civilisations can learn from each other’s strengths and weaknesses; replacing fear, blame, and prejudice with reason, fairness, and tolerance; and facilitating a dynamic exchange of experiences among culture, religions, and civilisations aimed at reform and amelioration. Khatami believes that such dialogue would strike a balance between the two extremes of self-denial, unquestioning imitation, and surrender and hatred, irrational rejection, and execration.[14]"

    Go to his wikipedia page for the links to the sources.

    This is what their folks were talking about when we declared them members of the axis of evil. THIS was their leader.
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    Nov 08, 2008 2:58 AM GMT
    I hate fighting! I hate wars! No we do not have to go to war. Everyone is blaming Bush and McCain for bombing Iran, well news flash, No bombs have landed in Iran since the Iran-Iraq war. The threat of bombing Iran is a tough diplomatic stance telling them not to bomb anyone else or there will be here to pay. Well here is a news flash, Bush’s policies have worked!

    I am pointing out the truth; it is negative to you because you see nothing wrong with Iran being allowed to hurt people, esp. gay people in their own country. Do a little research, from any trustworthy source and you will see I am right. Iran is run by their extreme religion, which dictates that anyone who is not a Muslim is an enemy, gays are to be prosecuted and you think this is a good thing that Obama will let the not only develop nuclear weapons but to put no pressure on them not to bomb or prosecute innocent people?



    msw1 saidSo, what? Go to war with them too? Why not try to negotiate? After all the wars are over (won or lost), everyone sits down and negotiates anyway.

    And you rag on Obama already about the economy? He is not even in office. What was W going to do for you? What would he have done say, if he was in office for a few more years, where is and what would be his plan?

    The voters (Independents) listened to McCain and Obama on the economy and chose Obama..and are you an expert in telling the future? Are you writing a masters thesis on the economy and an expert at predicting what will happen?

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    Nov 08, 2008 2:59 AM GMT
    Honestly, I think the vast majority of Iranian people just want peaceful and progressive lives like the rest of us.
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    Nov 08, 2008 3:02 AM GMT
    flex - i know what they do to gays, they do the same thing to them in romania and albania....and a host of other places, even saudi, our "allies." you find the same attitude in many muslim countries.

    but like i said, what is the answer? bomb them, send in troops? i dont know the answer, i would not know what the fuck to do, i was not saying i have the answers. but when someone writes a post like they know all the answers - even what will happen in the future - then i will question them on it.
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    Nov 08, 2008 3:03 AM GMT
    [quote][cite]sickothesame said[/cite]I feel that way because of facts. They are tricky things! And also because I know a lot of Iranians.




    How are “facts tricky things?” Either something exists and is real or it is not. Either something is false, or it is not. I am happy you know many Iranians. I am sure there are many good Iranian citizens. However the Iranian government is something totally different. Try to do some real research that does not include wikipedia.
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    Nov 08, 2008 3:09 AM GMT
    Yeah, wikipedia gathers its sources right there. It is absolutely all right to use on a forum. It collects them for you. Go read the sources they site. Thanks.

    I'm calling facts tricky because you cannot deny that the government in Iran hates us only in reaction to the way that we have treated them. And we CAN get them on our side again. So those are the tough facts. They don't want to kill us. Sorry!
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    Nov 08, 2008 3:16 AM GMT
    I say we just have a tough diplomatic policy with Iran. So far it seems to have some positive effect. Yes we should talk to them too, that may help. Have you ever read, “Three cups of Tea, by a guy named Morrison? He was saved by some Muslim villagers In Pakistan after a failed climb on K2 in Pakistan. The villagers nursed Morrison back the health he asked them what he could do for them. They told him “we have not had a school in our village for over 600 years!” So Morrison went back to the US, raised some money, went back to that village and built a school! Now Morrison is the president of a large non-profit organization that just builds schools! So far they have built well over 122 schools. When you but the book, you are contributing to that effort. Morrison has built schools in Afghanistan and Pakistan.


    Morrison reasons that education can help put a stop to terrorism. Research shows that most terrorist esp. suicide bombers are poor and uneducated. So if you educate these people , they will have a reason to live, will be able to get good jobs, rebuild their country and far less likely to join up with any terrorist group. God bless Morrison, through education there can be peace, I would LOVE to see more support for that effort. Even Muslim terrorist groups see what good Morrison is doing and they let him build. It is non-secular; they only teach education not religion in these schools. I think Morrison has something there. Remember to pick up a copy of “three cups of tea” and help spread some hope, peace and love though education.


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    msw1 saidflex - i know what they do to gays, they do the same thing to them in romania and albania....and a host of other places, even saudi, our "allies." you find the same attitude in many muslim countries.

    but like i said, what is the answer? bomb them, send in troops? i dont know the answer, i would not know what the fuck to do, i was not saying i have the answers. but when someone writes a post like they know all the answers - even what will happen in the future - then i will question them on it.
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    Nov 08, 2008 3:22 AM GMT
    You are gay right? Well if you think the Iranians do not
    Want to kill us" then see how long you will live in Iran. Make sure you make out a will before you go, I would not take the chance. Iran also bombed Us first, have you ever heard of any plans blowing up? Look up terrorist acts and Iran; it will be an eye opening experience for you....


    If you want to make a Real difference, instead of debating, do something that will have a positive effect! Please but “Three Cups of Tea” by Morrison. Education may be the way to help encourage Iran to become more peaceful….

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    sickothesame saidYeah, wikipedia gathers its sources right there. It is absolutely all right to use on a forum. It collects them for you. Go read the sources they site. Thanks.

    I'm calling facts tricky because you cannot deny that the government in Iran hates us only in reaction to the way that we have treated them. And we CAN get them on our side again. So those are the tough facts. They don't want to kill us. Sorry!

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    Nov 08, 2008 3:43 AM GMT
    HEY, GUYS! DON'T BE AFRAID. PEOPLE IN IRAN AS THE REST OF THE WORLD ONLY WANTS PEACE... AND JUSTICE

    MAYBE OBAMA UNDERSTAND THE MEANING OF THAT WORD...

    WE, THE OCCIDENT, SHOULD UNDERSTAND THERE ARE ANOTHER CULTURES AND ANOTHER POINTS OF VIEW...

    EEUU SHOULD HAVE MUCH MORE FRIENDS IN MIDDLE EAST, NOT ONLY ISRAEL, AND MAYBE THERE WILL BE HOPE AND PEACE FOR EVERYONE OVER THERE...

    UNDERSTANDING, JUSTICE AND PEACE
  • DiverScience

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    Nov 08, 2008 3:49 AM GMT
    Has it occurred to anyone to actually wait until the man is, you know, PRESIDENT before deciding how he's going to do things and what he's going to do, much less saying he's doing it poorly?

    Like it or not, he's the president elect. So wait the 70-ought days and lets see how he actually performs the duties before you start slinging accusations and idiocy around. Until then, it's still Bush's problem.
  • EricLA

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    Nov 08, 2008 3:57 AM GMT
    Mike, why don't you spend some time helping the Republican party find it's way. Obama isn't even president yet. What has your man George Bush done? How is that monumental failure spending his final days doing to fix what he has broken?

    Give me a break.
  • SkyMiles

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    Nov 08, 2008 4:04 AM GMT
    DiverScience saidHas it occurred to anyone to actually wait until the man is, you know, PRESIDENT before deciding how he's going to do things and what he's going to do, much less saying he's doing it poorly?

    Like it or not, he's the president elect. So wait the 70-ought days and lets see how he actually performs the duties before you start slinging accusations and idiocy around. Until then, it's still Bush's problem.


    No WAY, man! Gotta start panicking early! Run away! Be afraid!!
    It's hilarious though how the wingnuts are all skeered about what Obama's going to do in 74 days or whatever, and completely ignore Bush's utter failure in national security, the economy, civil and human rights. Pretty sad.
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    Nov 08, 2008 4:10 AM GMT
    flexonyou saidObama and his allies that want to kill us will destroy our country’s security to a low level never seen before.
    Dude, you are suffering from paranoid delusion, maybe you should go build a bomb shelter. Here's a phone call from accounts receivable to you ..