Do parts of Europe look like Detroit?

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    Jul 17, 2013 12:06 AM GMT
    The United States often takes flak for some of our less desirable areas. Urban decay, rot, ghettos, etc... the mockery of Detroit Michigan and how some say we are a country of smoke & mirrors hiding a rotten interior.

    However while watching Top Gear UK I noticed some of the same bleak decaying urban landscapes in Spain. Season 20 Episode 3 for those curious. Testing 3 exotic sports cars and once they leave the luxurious coasts things start to look pretty bad.

    Around the 7:30 mark in this video is where the not so pretty parts of Spain are shown: http://www.streetfire.net/video/top-gear-season-20-episode-3_2431764.htm

    So I'm curious - What parts of Europe look as if they could be part of decayed urban Detroit?

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    Jul 17, 2013 12:18 AM GMT
    Sharpton saidWhat would you say are the comparisons between both areas?


    Knowing only what the Top Gear hosts state the similarity is high unemployment in Spain.

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    Jul 17, 2013 2:22 AM GMT
    I think the building have better looking architecture in Europe.
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    Jul 17, 2013 5:03 AM GMT
    I don't think that's as bad as Detroit. Those are new buildings that were never occupied because of the economic crisis. It looks ugly but that's about it.

    The crime problem isn't as bad anywhere in Europe as in Detroit. That city has a homicide rate of 48/100,000. Spain's homicide rate is 0.8/100,000.

    I guess you'd have to go really far East like Russia, Ukraine or Romania to find a European city that looks like Detroit.
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    Jul 17, 2013 5:12 AM GMT
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    Jul 17, 2013 6:11 AM GMT
    Not that I've seen a lot of it, but the only thing that comes to mind is eastern europe at the end of the communist era. Walking through East Berlin, in the 80's, there were half-collapsed buildings everywhere - with people still living in them.

    The thing is, europe has had so many people for so long that any given place has been in ruins at some time or another. Spain is full of ruins of bygone eras. Wait long enough and they become tourist attractions. (Or vice verse... the 1992 worlds fair buildings in Sevilla were decayed ruins through the 00's, and may still be, afaik.)
  • blueandgold

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    Jul 17, 2013 6:21 AM GMT
    parts of glasgow are pretty gross.
  • outbackdude

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    Jul 17, 2013 8:46 AM GMT
    Isn't that Eastern Europe?
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    Jul 17, 2013 9:02 AM GMT
    blueandgold saidparts of glasgow are pretty gross.


    After visiting Glasgow a few years ago, I said something similar to my Dad and he said, "You should have seen it 50 years ago".

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    To be fair, it has some very imposing architecture.

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    Go to any city, anywhere in the world and you'll find some crappy areas.
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    Jul 17, 2013 9:07 AM GMT
    These are the fate of cities that were once rich and became very poor in a very short time after the industrialization dropped. I guess those cities exist in every western country.
    I've heard of such cities in Northern France and Belgium (but they are more very small towns than real cities).
    At least, thanks to our countries prohibiting civilian weapons, the crime is not as much a problem as in Detroit.
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    Jul 17, 2013 3:51 PM GMT
    AaronH20P saidI don't think that's as bad as Detroit. Those are new buildings that were never occupied because of the economic crisis. It looks ugly but that's about it.

    The crime problem isn't as bad anywhere in Europe as in Detroit. That city has a homicide rate of 48/100,000. Spain's homicide rate is 0.8/100,000.

    I guess you'd have to go really far East like Russia, Ukraine or Romania to find a European city that looks like Detroit.


    Trust me you will not find cities like that in Europe,and why always you guys say East Europe icon_question.gif
    I guess you can find cities like maybe in Chechnya but thats a HUGE maybe
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    Jul 17, 2013 3:55 PM GMT


    So I'm curious - What parts of Europe look as if they could be part of decayed urban Detroit?

    Check out Magnitogorsk in Russia. Technically still Europe though maybe just over the arbitrary line into Asia. Do a Google street view for some virtual tourism.
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    Jul 17, 2013 4:24 PM GMT
    Here's some examples or decay in the UK. Not really on the endemic scale of Detroit, but England's not all Hogwarts and Oxford University architecture....

    But because we're such a small crowded country, abandoned building are often quickly demolished to make space for new ones.

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  • Whipmagic

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    Jul 17, 2013 4:31 PM GMT
    I don't think most of Detroit looks nearly as bad as some of these buildings.
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    Jul 17, 2013 4:37 PM GMT
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    Park Hill flats (above) are now a Grade II* listed building (not an uncontroversial decision). The developer Urban Splash in partnership with English Heritage are now renovating the flats to turn them into upmarket apartments, business units and social housing.

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    Jul 17, 2013 4:56 PM GMT
    Europe didn't have 10% black population that migrated into it's inner cities in large numbers from the 1960's onwards, hense european cities haven't experienced white flight, and/or capital flight to the same extent as the rustbelt cities of the US.
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    Jul 17, 2013 5:01 PM GMT
    IrishDarren saidEurope didn't have 10% black population that migrated into it's inner cities in large numbers from the 1960's onwards, hense european cities haven't experienced white flight, and/or capital flight to the same extent as the rustbelt cities of the US.

    White flight occurred after desegregation. The whites re-segregated themselves out to the suburbs. That left the inner cities with majority black populations.
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    Jul 17, 2013 5:11 PM GMT
    I've never been, but isn't Naples pretty grungy?
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    Jul 17, 2013 5:26 PM GMT
    Whipmagic saidI don't think most of Detroit looks nearly as bad as some of these buildings.

    Most of the photos of Detroit decay people see that were made famous by the Yves Marchand & Romain Meffre photo project http://www.marchandmeffre.com/detroit/ are from the Woodward corridor from downtown to midtown. It looks very different in the area today as the area has seen a big resurgence that has now spread to Corktown. Most of the rest of the city, however, still looks the same with the exception of Palmer Park that is now making a comeback.

    I don't care what they say about my town, I am always going to love it. They don't build like this today:

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    Here is a view from the top of Central Station, the first pic in the OP-
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    Jul 17, 2013 5:27 PM GMT
    Has anyone on this thread actually *been* to Detroit?

    Ruin porn of Detroit is tired, and doesn't show even close to the spirit of the city. The city has problems, sure, but there is more to Detroit than a few abandoned buildings.

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  • adultoreo

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    Jul 17, 2013 5:40 PM GMT
    Detroit look like a rundown AMERICAN city. Period. Nothing in common with Europe. Even the filth of Europe looks very different than North America's.
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    Jul 17, 2013 5:55 PM GMT
    Some more photos of Detroit today.

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    Love this!

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    Jul 17, 2013 6:10 PM GMT
    AaronH20P saidI don't think that's as bad as Detroit. Those are new buildings that were never occupied because of the economic crisis. It looks ugly but that's about it.

    The crime problem isn't as bad anywhere in Europe as in Detroit. That city has a homicide rate of 48/100,000. Spain's homicide rate is 0.8/100,000.

    I guess you'd have to go really far East like Russia, Ukraine or Romania to find a European city that looks like Detroit.


    Not any further than Wolverhampton.

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    Jul 17, 2013 6:14 PM GMT
    Keep in mind European cities were destroyed during the war, and American cities weren't. So European cities were rebuilt from the ground up, while America did not have that benefit. So aesthetically some may look better, but the same social problems that exist in Detroit exist in Europe.

    Swansea for example, was completely leveled by German bombing, that specifically targeted housing, Churches and even heritage sites such as castles.

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