Obama boasts of health care savings, but costs likely to rise for many

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    Jul 19, 2013 8:16 PM GMT
    http://www.mercedsunstar.com/2013/07/18/3116236/obama-boasts-of-health-care-savings.html
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    Jul 19, 2013 11:59 PM GMT
    Islamosexual saidGotta do what you gotta do.
    Every had and still has an opportunity to give a better alternative.


    Yep, there will undoubtedly be opportunities for change after the system likely fails under its own weight.

    Even now we see a number of the already limited number of primary care physicians switching to cash only. This is a good thing.
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    Jul 20, 2013 1:42 AM GMT
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    riddler78 said
    Islamosexual saidGotta do what you gotta do.
    Every had and still has an opportunity to give a better alternative.


    Yep, there will undoubtedly be opportunities for change after the system likely fails under its own weight.

    Even now we see a number of the already limited number of primary care physicians switching to cash only. This is a good thing.


    And if someone can't afford cash only?
    Or they get screwed by the system?

    I hope it'll be fun for them while they run on teh losing team.
    I truly can't believe no one has created a real challenge to Obamacare. SMMFH!


    Your assumption is that what's necessary is for the entire system to be organized centrally. I reject that premise for something actually market based instead of one that depends on third party payors. And like I noted previously the costs are not significant for routine checkups. Secondly there are opportunities for subsidies for those who really can't afford it.
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    Jul 20, 2013 3:49 AM GMT
    Compare apples to apples gentlemen. Those who bought extrememly basic policies with very high deductibles and limited benefits will now be buying a core of benefits that is the same for all and broader coverage. Compare that to costs for the same program in years past and you will think differently than the Republican propaganda wants you to.
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    Jul 20, 2013 12:49 PM GMT
    LJay saidCompare apples to apples gentlemen. Those who bought extrememly basic policies with very high deductibles and limited benefits will now be buying a core of benefits that is the same for all and broader coverage. Compare that to costs for the same program in years past and you will think differently than the Republican propaganda wants you to.


    Alternatively, and more likely, most people will find that you wish Obamacare was never enacted. Someone will have to pay for it and pay you will.
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    Jul 20, 2013 5:45 PM GMT
    riddler78 said
    LJay saidCompare apples to apples gentlemen. Those who bought extrememly basic policies with very high deductibles and limited benefits will now be buying a core of benefits that is the same for all and broader coverage. Compare that to costs for the same program in years past and you will think differently than the Republican propaganda wants you to.


    Alternatively, and more likely, most people will find that you wish Obamacare was never enacted. Someone will have to pay for it and pay you will.


    LJay and Sharpton, at this point you are supposed to crumple in fear and humility at the decree above from the all-knowing-and-omniscient-one.

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    Jul 20, 2013 6:03 PM GMT
    Much of the problem with riddler's arguments against Obamacare is that they also apply to all kinds of common insurance plans. Insurance operates on a shared risk concept, where loss is shared among all the policy holders. Yes, I potentially pay to cover your car accident loss. But then you pay to cover my loss & liability, as well, which may be greater than I can afford by myself.

    Now if riddler would like to cancel his car insurance, and pay for damages & claims against him out of his own pocket, he should by all means try that. But in many areas car insurance is mandatory.

    And how is that different from mandatory health insurance? Both force people to have coverage which reduces societal costs, and lowers costs to everyone. It is a shared risk which ultimately reduces the monetary impact on individuals, businesses, and society in general.

    The only ones who would object for practical reasons are the very wealthy, who can take care of their own health costs, and the HMOs that make more money under the current system that leaves tens of millions of Americans without health care due to exorbitant premiums.

    Which leads to the question of why an alleged Canadian obsessively argues so strongly and persistently for months against a US health care system overhaul that doesn't affect him? What could his motivation be? icon_question.gif